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[edit] A need for standardisation
Does anyone agree with me that we need a standard format for entering things into this list? Right now it is very disorganised in that the formats range from item to item, some redirects are listed some are not etc.
Opinions anyone? - Ryan Jones 11:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, you're quite right. I think we should have the following for a compound where the article is called "Compound name".
*[[Compound name]] – M<sub>2</sub>X<sub>3</sub>
or if there is a common "Alternative name".
*[[Compound name|Alternative name]] (compound name) – M<sub>2</sub>X<sub>3</sub> and
*[[Compound name]] (alternative name) – M<sub>2</sub>X<sub>3</sub>
For example:
- Tin(II) chloride (stannous chloride) – SnCl2
and
- Stannous chloride (tin(II) chloride) – SnCl2
- How does that look? This page often pops up in Google searches, and helps when the article itself hasn't yet been found on Google (some take a long time to be picked up on Google). I didn't appreciate the value of the formulae until I started looking for compounds in other languages. I also realised that for non-chemists the formula may often be helpful too, especially where lots of alternative names exist.
- A more significant issue IMHO is expanding this list to make it more comprehensive. Currently we probably have less than half of our inorganic compound articles listed here. We need to go through each element in turn from Category:Chemical compounds by element and find every compound we have listed. Inorganic_compounds_by_element may also be helpful in spotting things - the first half (up to lead) is pretty comprehensive, and may catch some uncategorised articles. About a year ago I spent about two months of my wikitime creating List of inorganic compounds and the organic list too, these were originally all together on a huge (growing) page called List of compounds which also included a lot of unsuitable articles. If you have time to take on a big sort of this list we'd appreciate it, I admit to being rather tired of this page myself after all that work! If you can't, perhaps we can at least standardise the format. Thanks, Walkerma 02:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia Search for compounds
I am starting a list hereunder with searched categories (i.e. for e.g. Category:Scandium compounds I do a Google search in Wikipedia for all pages containing the word 'Scandium', adding them to the appropriate categories if they are not in there. After that I update the List of inorganic compounds from the Category. People who would like to participate, add the Category you are searching, and when finished close with 'Finished' and your signature. When you decide to re-search the category, remove the previous signature (to keep the list readable). --Dirk Beetstra 17:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Decided to put things into a table --Dirk Beetstra 17:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- And made the table complete (played a little with a spreadsheet) --Dirk Beetstra 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
| Metal | Wiki search | Google (inurl) | Google (site) | Started | finished (signature with date) | Remarks | |
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| Category:Hydrogen compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Hydrogen&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Helium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Helium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Lithium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Lithium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Beryllium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Beryllium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Boron compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Boron&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Carbon compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Carbon&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Nitrogen compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Nitrogen&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Oxygen compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Oxygen&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Fluorine compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Fluorine&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Neon compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Neon&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Sodium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Sodium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Magnesium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Magnesium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Aluminium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Aluminium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Silicon compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Silicon&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Phosphorus compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Phosphorus&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Sulfur compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Sulfur&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Chlorine compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Chlorine&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Argon compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Argon&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Potassium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Potassium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Calcium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Calcium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Scandium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=scandium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | 07/05/06 | Dirk Beetstra 17:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC) | Used Wikisearch | |
| Category:Titanium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=titanium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | 07/05/06 | Dirk Beetstra 18:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC) | Used Wikisearch | |
| Category:Vanadium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=vanadium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | 09/05/06 | Dirk Beetstra 21:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | Used Google - Site | |
| Category:Chromium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=chromium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Manganese compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Manganese&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Iron compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Iron&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Cobalt compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Cobalt&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Nickel compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Nickel&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Copper compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Copper&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Zinc compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Zinc&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Gallium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Gallium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Germanium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Germanium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Arsenic compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Arsenic&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Selenium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Selenium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Bromine compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Bromine&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Krypton compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Krypton&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Rubidium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Rubidium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Strontium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Strontium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Yttrium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Yttrium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Zirconium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Zirconium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Niobium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Niobium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Molybdenum compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Molybdenum&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Technetium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Technetium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Ruthenium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Ruthenium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Rhodium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Rhodium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Palladium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Palladium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Silver compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Silver&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Cadmium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Cadmium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Indium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Indium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Tin compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Tin&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Antimony compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Antimony&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Tellurium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Tellurium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Iodine compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Iodine&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Xenon compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Xenon&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Caesium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Caesium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Barium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Barium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Lanthanum compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Lanthanum&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Cerium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Cerium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Praseodymium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Praseodymium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Neodymium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Neodymium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Promethium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Promethium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Samarium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Samarium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Europium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Europium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Gadolinium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Gadolinium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Terbium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Terbium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Dysprosium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Dysprosium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Holmium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Holmium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Erbium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Erbium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Thulium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Thulium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Ytterbium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Ytterbium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Lutetium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Lutetium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Hafnium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Hafnium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Tantalum compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Tantalum&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Tungsten compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Tungsten&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Rhenium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Rhenium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Osmium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Osmium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Iridium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Iridium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Platinum compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Platinum&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Gold compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Gold&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Mercury compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Mercury&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Thallium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Thallium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Lead compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Lead&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Bismuth compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Bismuth&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Polonium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Polonium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Astatine compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Astatine&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Radon compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Radon&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Francium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Francium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Radium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Radium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Actinium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Actinium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Thorium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Thorium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Protactinium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Protactinium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Uranium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Uranium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Neptunium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Neptunium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Plutonium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Plutonium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Americium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Americium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Curium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Curium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Berkelium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Berkelium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Californium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Californium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Einsteinium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Einsteinium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Fermium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Fermium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Mendelevium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Mendelevium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Nobelium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Nobelium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Lawrencium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Lawrencium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Rutherfordium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Rutherfordium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Dubnium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Dubnium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Seaborgium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Seaborgium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Bohrium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Bohrium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Hassium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Hassium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Meitnerium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Meitnerium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Darmstadtium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Darmstadtium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search | ||||
| Category:Roentgenium compounds | [[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Roentgenium&fulltext=Search search] | search | search |
[edit] Thoughts on the Talk:List of inorganic compounds#Wikipedia Search for compounds
Running into a dilemma .. is a mineral that contains Scandium a 'scandium compound'? Formally they are .. aren't they? Can somebody please comment? --Dirk Beetstra 17:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is excellent work, thank you for it! Make sure you check Inorganic compounds by element as well, it's still a bit incomplete, but things often appear there first (it was designed that way), particularly as I have known Google take as long as 6 months to find some WP pages. As for the mineral question, I have seen these listed sometimes, but often not. We should probably discuss it. My inclination would be to include it in the category, at least where it is a principal ore of the compounds. Of course we would have to be careful with something like Category:Silicon compounds!! Thanks, Walkerma 02:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. I hope others are joining me in performing some element searches (the word 'titanium' shows up in 1,137 articles with the internal search ([[Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Titanium&fulltext=Search], the one I used now), when you use Google, results vary from about 29,000 with [1] and about 26,800 with [2]). I am wondering if I could use the Google engine to cut down on the number of results, without missing articles. Is iron going to be the champion (resp. 28,524; 2,000,000 and 2,010,000, and then I am probably missing ferric and ferrous ..)?
- I did not think about the silicates, indeed. I will now at least put them into the Category:Silicates, but indeed, silicon compounds is going to be huge, then. If the verdict is positive about putting everything in Category:Silicates into Category:Silicon compounds, there is some work for a bot-programmer. In principle the bot should then also add Category:Titanium compounds to all pages with Category:Titanium minerals. On a next search I will make try to put the 'metal minerals' at least in the 'Category:metal minerals'. By the way, I include only those minerals where the metal is a reasonable constituent, indeed (i.e. where the mineral would not be the same mineral if the metal would not be there). Maybe the opinion of a mineralogist would be in place here? --Dirk Beetstra 07:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Talk to User:Vsmith, who is knowledgable on mineralogy and chemistry, and a very experienced Wikipedian. The usual situation with categories like this is that you would only need to list something like muscovite once, since there is a hierarchy Phyllosilicates -> Silicate minerals -> Silicates -> Silicon compounds. Therefore maybe we should just list the individual minerals under the appropriate mineralogy section, and the hierarchy should take care of the rest. Sorry if I'm contradicting my earlier comment, but I hadn't thought deeply about this topic until now. Incidentally, there is a list corresponding to this one called list of minerals, in case you hadn't seen that. This summer I may be able to spend a bit of time helping you out - if you like I can do lanthanides which are an area of interest to me. Cheers, Walkerma 15:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- I have left a message on Vsmiths talk-page. I'll wait for his reply. Is there a help page somewhere in the Wikipedia about hierarchy in categories? --Dirk Beetstra 16:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Talk to User:Vsmith, who is knowledgable on mineralogy and chemistry, and a very experienced Wikipedian. The usual situation with categories like this is that you would only need to list something like muscovite once, since there is a hierarchy Phyllosilicates -> Silicate minerals -> Silicates -> Silicon compounds. Therefore maybe we should just list the individual minerals under the appropriate mineralogy section, and the hierarchy should take care of the rest. Sorry if I'm contradicting my earlier comment, but I hadn't thought deeply about this topic until now. Incidentally, there is a list corresponding to this one called list of minerals, in case you hadn't seen that. This summer I may be able to spend a bit of time helping you out - if you like I can do lanthanides which are an area of interest to me. Cheers, Walkerma 15:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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Well, I've thought a bit :-). I see a problem with overcategorization if done without some thought. I started categorizing minerals basically according to the Dana system in fall of 04. Still working on it gradually as new mineral articles are written. User:Jaraalbe this past winter decided to add more categories, for example in muscovite he added a potssium mineral cat, an aluminium mineral cat and a hydroxide mineral cat - which to me was a bit of a clutter. Assuming these element mineral categories remain it would be quite easy for you to place them into compound cats for instance Category:Aluminium minerals would be under Category:Aluminium compounds as well as under Category:Minerals. That way you wouldn't have to search through all the mineral articles to recat, just the mineral element categories which are now under Category:Minerals. Seems that would save you a lot of digging as Jaraalbe has already done much of the work for you.
Walkerma mentioned the list of minerals - it is only a partial listing and many minerals with wiki articles are not on the list. For a more comprehensive listing of the 4000+ minerals see List of minerals (complete) which I and the webmaster at Mindat.org developed a year ago. You'll see a lot of red there.
Considering rutile and its three polytypes along with other ore minerals. I had thought of classifying the various significant ore minerals into a Category:Ore minerals which would be under Category:Mining and Category:Economic geology, but haven't followed up on that. Of course that would lead to a proliferation of subcats such as Category:Iron ore minerals. On, and on and... :-) Hopefully I've given you something useful to think about, feel free to ask for clarification or further info. Vsmith 23:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
OK - just added Category:Titanium minerals to your Category:Titanium compounds in line with Walkerma and my comments above. Vsmith 23:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
And ... changed Category:Mercury minerals from Category:Metal minerals to Category:Mercury compounds. I feel the metal minerals cat should be depopulated and removed as it is far too general to be useful. The vast majority of all minerals contain metals - few are made only of non-metals. Didn't start out to do this - just one thing leads to another ... endless connections :-) Vsmith 00:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- A leads to B .. B leads to C .. C leads to D .. D back to B .. err ..
- But let me see if I get it right now.
- All element "X" compounds, that is, everything with element "X" that is built up of distinct units (unitcells, e.g.) where element "X" is a (essential) part of ('a countable number of') the unit(s) (hope I give a scientifically reasonable description), now go into the [[:Category:X compounds]]. Are alloys compounds?
- All tags [[:Category:X mineral]] should be removed.
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- No - they are valid. I do see that the metal minerals cat was dleted ok as it was superfluous.
- The text on the category page [[:Category:X mineral]] should be changed so that people know where to find anything that contains element "X", or it should redirect to [[:Category:X compounds]].
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- No, just add categ.X compounds as a category for the subcat.
- Someone should probably build into a bot the check, that if somewhere a tag [[:Category:X mineral]] is used that it either is changed to [[:Category:X compounds]], or is removed if the latter catagory-tag is already available.
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- Don't need a bot - there aren't that many cat:X minerals to add cat:X compounds to. Vsmith 12:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Pfff, OK, when I am bored again I will go through another element (if I feel up to it), and see if there are category-tags missing, and add them. When they are in categories, it is at least more easy to find them (and can then be reassigned if necessary), and there are still many that are not in any category, so I think a manual search is still necessary. Is this page the right place for the above table, or should it have a place closer to the chemistry or inorganic chemistry pages? --Dirk Beetstra 07:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am getting the hang of it. I will go through the categories this evening. Cheers!! --Dirk Beetstra 13:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
