Talk:List of hymnals
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[edit] Questions about Revision of this page
With regard to updating the "list of hymnals," I have several questions. I am reluctant to just jump in and start revising, without discussion beforehand.
First, if this is a list of English-language hymnals, there are many such books that are missing, for example, from England, Ireland, and Scotland. I see nothing here from the Philippines, India, South Africa, or Hong Kong. Is it not perhaps overreaching, to try to include all English-language hymnals from around the world? I think so. Second, is this a list of Christian hymnals? The introduction doesn't say that. I notice no Jewish hymnals, for example. Are the Mormons Christian? I think not. Third, like Haruo, below, I think the "Catholic" section needs a lot of revision. To speak of "third-party" publishers is unclear. Who is "second-party"? OCP, for one, is wholly owned by the Archdiocese of Portland; that's not "third-party." GIA, on the other hand, is not Catholic at all. True, GIA has produced many hymnals for Catholics; but that's not GIA's identity. The Harris family, which owns the firm, is Jewish. Moreover, GIA produces hymnals for Anglicans, Baptists, Lutherans, and others; it is also a major distributor of music education materials, with no denominational basis. I would consider GIA as a non-denominational or inter-faith publisher. WLP should be clearly identified as part of J.S. Paluch. They also have other hymnals, such as We Celebrate. Moreover, WLP years ago was at 1800 Winnemac in Chicago. But they have been in Franklin Park, Illinois, for many years; they are not in Chicago. They have a lot of revenue from church bulletins. Hence, I'm not sure it's accurate to speak of them as "third-largest." Besides, what's the point of such a classification? Does one wish to exalt OCP? I would rather put publishers of Catholic hymnals in simple, alphabetical order, by name. Also, as Berlin Boy points out, a missalette is not a hymnal. But if missalettes are to be included, all missalette publishers should be listed, no? Missalettes can and do have 50 to 100 or more songs, so I guess they could be classified as hymnals of a sort. But should they be in this list? What do you think? --Michael Gilligan, Ph.D. Michael Gilligan 01:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Unitarian Universalist
Singing the Living Tradition . Boston: The Unitarian Universalist Association, 1993. This book deserves it's own entry :) Mathiastck 18:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disingenuous disclaimer
I am not sure what to do about the Catholic section. The initial assertion (referring to OCP, GIA etc as "third-party" as if this somehow made them non-Catholic) seems disingenuous to me. The "C" in OCP stands for Catholic; the "G" in GIA for Gregorian; the Collegeville folks are Benedictines; etc. Most of their hymnals per se (as distinct from less formal songbooks, hymnal supplements and the like) are specifically Catholic denominational books, with mass settings prescribed by Rome and a wealth of e.g. Marian hymnody that would not fly even in most Anglican contexts. Most protestant denominations do not actually require their congregations to use the denominational hymnal, for that matter; so that italicized heading to the RC section seems to me slightly NPOV, though I'm not sure how best to emend it. --Haruo 08:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I'm not sure how many of these "hymnals" are just pamphlets intended for short-term use, not really hymnals in the classical sense. My experience in the Roman Catholic Church is that they have monthly or seasonal Missals with hymns in them for use in that season. That to me is not really a hymnal and should not be included here. On the other hand, Gather is truly a hymnal and should definitely be included. -Berlin Boy
[edit] Die Glaubensharfe
Is Die Glaubensharfe (listed under North American Baptists) actually an English-language hymnal?? I have my doubts. A list of hymnals in german and other languages would be nice, but this article claims to be (and for the most part is) limited to English-language ones. --Haruo 10:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
