Talk:List of football players with dual nationality

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[edit] Inclusion

We should include players who:

  • can trace their origins to a foreign country
  • have gained nationality after living in a foreign country
  • were born in a foreign country

Players should be listed under the country they chose to represent e.g. John Barnes is listed under England rather than Jamaica because he played international football for England.

Players who, before FIFA rule changes, represented more than one country (e.g. Alfredo di Stefano) should be listed unfer all countries they played for BUT players who playes for one team at youth level and another at full level should only be listed under the country they represented at full level. GiantSnowman 15:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the part about being born in a foreign country as automatic inclusion. Runar Berg was born in the Netherlands because his father played football there. Doesn't make him Dutch. 80.203.94.198 22:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
But would we then also exclude other players who were born in a foreign country, such as Patrick Vieira? Born in Senegal to parents from Cape Verde, but still counted as Senegalese. GiantSnowman 22:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
According to the article he grew up in Senegal, spending eight years of his life there. Sounds pretty Senegalese to me. What if we change it to "(im)migrated from a foreign country at a young age"? That could kinda overlap with #2 though. Punkmorten 23:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
2 could be changed to "have gained nationality after living in a foreign country as a player"? GiantSnowman 12:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


The system for inclusion needs tobe scrapped and either only accept players who actually have dual nationality as the article title suggests, or change the title but leave things such has 'born in a foriegn country' and 'can trace their origins back to a foriegn country' out. I think most people in the world can trace their origins back somewhere else, and that's what the article is becoming - a load of unsourced information that is not neccesary to be in an encyclopedia. Stev17 10:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

This article (and the sub articles) need renaming. Dual nationality has a strict legal definition in international law, that is having a passport from two or more countries. This meaning has no bearing or connection to international sport representation. The majority of players list are not dual nationals. Nuttah68 16:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish footballers

Should Jewish footballers be placed under 'Israel' in their respective country? GiantSnowman 17:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

My interpretation of Law of Return gives the answer to the above question as 'Yes', and so Jewish footballers will be placed under Country>Israel. GiantSnowman 16:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Samuel and Sorin have Jewish ancestry? Pretty weird. Any source? --necronudist 20:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[1] has a list of Jewish footballers, or footballers with Jewish origin, and I did find a more comprehensive list earlier (which is why I added them) but can't seem to find it again... GiantSnowman 22:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Who is Michael Warwick? His name is listed in British footballers with dual nationality as an Israeli. There's no further information about him. He should not be listed if there's no clear information about his 2nd nationality. Ario_ManUtd

[edit] Subpages

The page is very long: should we create subpages? e.g. 'List of British football players with dual nationality', 'List of French football players with dual nationality', 'List of Australian football players with dual nationality', 'List of American football players with dual nationality' (those are particularly long, but any other suggestions are appreciated. GiantSnowman 17:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Sort by continent? Punkmorten 20:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Europe will still be big and then if we have 6 continents then there would be no point for this main page. Why not just have France, Britain, USA, Germany, Australia GiantSnowman 20:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Have created subpages for France, Britain, USA, Germany, Australia. Shall we create subpages for other nations when they reach 15/20 subnations? GiantSnowman 14:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with GiantSnowman that a subpage should be created when there are around 15/20 players that fall into that section. It makes it easier for the reader to digest. On that note I have also created a subpage for Algeria. Bababoum 22:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say 15/20 players but 15/20 subnations instead, otherwise there will end up being 200+ subpages! GiantSnowman 22:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
In that case maybe we should wait until there are fewer subnations for each nationality, like 8-10. At the moment it's quite a lot to take in and unclear at times when a new nationality has started to be shown. Bababoum 10:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. For future call it 10. GiantSnowman 14:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

This article needs renaming as the current title is misleading and factually inaccurate. dual nationality is a specific status under international law. This has no relation to how a player can qualify to play for more than one team under FIFA rules. Nuttah68 14:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Prior to creating list of nationality transfers in athletics, I remember discussing the article name. I opted for list of allegiance transfers in athletics. This was to avoid the issues about nationality and secondly because the IAAF refers to it that way [2]. A possible solution? Punkmorten 11:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Not really. The list includes players who could have changed allegiance as well as those that have had, as well as some more dubious examples as well. Nuttah68 18:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Format change

See here for my proposed change in format - bullet points rather than headings. Any thoughts?

I have also started to remove nationalities which aren't referenced/mentioned in the player's article (e.g. Lorik Cana, which mentions his nationalities and birthplace). GiantSnowman 18:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I had to change what you've done. I use headings to make it simple & easy to read. All of your footnotes aren't erased, but I put them in new places. Ario ManUtd 22:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin and Nationality

That's wrong to confuse origin with nationality. I care about Russians, for example, Kanchelskis. He has Lithuanian and Ukrainian origins, but he is a citizen of Russia/UK and was of USSR. It's wrong to create an article called "List of football players with dual nationality" and state that Kanchelskis is Lithuanian/Ukrainian in it. He isn't. I delete a group people like Kanchelskis of from the article. Possibly another article(s) should be created.

Ario ManUtd, gave reliable sources stating that Kanchelskis has Ukrainian or Lithuanian citizenship. This applies to other Russians in reverted edit as well. — Ash063 21:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe because this article is quite confusing. As I know, this article is created about footballers who can represent 2 countries or more, either because their ancestry or citizenship. In example, Kanchelskis could play for Ukraine, because he was born there, or Alexei Eremenko represent Finland because he had Finnish citizenship. So, the title of this article should be changed. Ash063 wrote that Sergei Mandreko has Austrian citizenship. Anyway, where did you get that info? Was it from Championship Manager games? Ario ManUtd 22:25, 22 August 2007 (WIB)

No-no, I've got it from his interview. If you understand Russian, look at this article. Quotation, Mandreko: "...I've spend 5 years in Rapid Vienna, I've got an Austrian citizenship...". — Ash063 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You can also take a look at this discussion. — Ash063 20:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't wrong if I listed Mandreko with Tajik nationality, or Onopko with Ukrainian, because they represented their other nations, right after the fall of Soviet. I also saw about that in rsssf website. What do you think? Anyway thank's for the infos.

About citizenship,I found some articles that confused me. In example Yakubu Aiyegbeni has Portuguese passport. In his footballing career, he never played in Portugal, so how did he get it? There's no explanation about these articles. Ario ManUtd 06:55, 23 August 2007 (WIB)

[edit] Major changes planned...

While I still think having such a page is a great addition to Wikipedia, the page is vastly under referenced and repeats itself all the time. Therefore over this coming weekend I shall embark on a major overhaul of the page, which will include the following changes:

  1. Merger of all the sub pages into this main page
  2. Removal of ALL unfeferenced players
  3. Change in format (see above)

If there any major objections or suggestions then please let me know ASAP. Many thanks, GiantSnowman (talk) 19:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

It's difficult to give the website link. I prefer the old page (without the reference). I add 4 names in the Wales section if you wanna know the ref, I give the link below : http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/wales/2236640.stm (Birchall, Brown, Pejic) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/6616409.stm (Nardiello) Ario_ManUtd 10:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC) --Ario ManUtd (talk) 02:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)