Talk:List of fictional medicines and drugs

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Contents 1 Stimpacks (StarCraft) 2 Dicdefs 3 List Division 4 Scarecrow's Fear Drug 5 Mao? 6 Cordazine 7 The drug from Senseless 8 Bloody Eye vs Red Eye & Poison Listing 9 Formic Ethers, Misc. Pulv. etc. 10 Mutagens 11 BTL 12 Fictional toxins 13 Skooma 14 Stimutax 15 MA-19 16 Cyclomite 17 Felicium 18 Ryetalyn 19 Lithium dibromide 20 Drug from pitch black 21 Deletion

[edit] Stimpacks (StarCraft)

As Stimpacks are also in StarCraft (boosts Terran Marine's speed and damage at the cost of hitpoints), what should happen?--121.72.68.214 (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dicdefs

Folks, when putting drugs on the list, please don't leave the uses and effects blank; also, one or two words won't work either. Please put a dictionary definition ("dicdef") in the uses section, a single sentence will suffice, even if it's "drug's uses are never explained in book" or "the drug is mentioned in the movie, but it's uses are never given". Something like "green liquid" doesn't explain anything.--Mitsukai 19:51, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List Division

I'm considering splitting the list into two tables, one for medicines (or substances used primarily as such) and one for illicit drugs (or ones that can be abused as such). Do any of you think this would work, or would a different set of tables (eg, medicines, enhancers, illicit substances) work? Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome. --Mitsukai 15:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The trouble is that some substances might be both a medicine and a narcotic, say. That's a common feature of fictional drugs - does one thing at once dose, and another, more interesting, thing at a higher dose. Any uncertainty over where a drug should go will lead to it being in both places, with different entries, which is a pain to maintain. This has already happened in the list. -- Tom Anderson 2008-04-03 0055 +0100 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.114.227 (talk) 23:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scarecrow's Fear Drug

Has anyone figured out what the hallucinogenic drug used by Scarecrow in Batman Begins was? -- Riffsyphon1024 09:20, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

It's never named, but it's a weaponized hallucinogen derived from the blue flower seen at the beginning of the movie. -- Teflon Don 21:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Even though its not named, could it still get on the list? -- Riffsyphon1024 15:55, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

In the comics it's just called "Fear Gas".

I believe it may be based on the plant Salvia Divinorum, as it was described as a blue flowering plant. Sal D is a powerful hallucinogen.

"NEGATIVE

• overly-intense experiences
• fear, terror and panic
• increased perspiration
• possible difficulty integrating experiences
• higher doses can cause inability to control muscles and maintain balance: falls are reported."

Source

[edit] Mao?

we have this in the listing :

Name	Source	Uses
Mao	Shadowrun (Shadowtech supplement)	An enzyme that facilitates the rapid oxidation of adrenalin, thus removing its effects and decreasing reaction time.

That's not fictional: it's monoamine oxidase This sounds like a fictional application of a real substance: though I don't see how removal of adrenalin decreases reaction time -- Malcolm Farmer 10:10, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

If that's the case, then it can be moved over to the correct page. The original poster may not have known that it was a real substance; many RPG sourcebooks don't exactly clarify what's real and what's not.--Mitsukai 13:37, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

OK. Moved. Malcolm Farmer 16:29, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cordazine

Wasn't cordrazine from the original Star Trek (epecially the episode "City on the Edge of Forever")? It may have been used in ST:TNG as well, but it certainly originated in the original series.

Indeed, it was from the original series. TNG frequendly mentioned Tricordrazine, which I think was meant to be taken as an improved version of Cordrazine. --Arteitle 00:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Cordrazine was also used in the original Mission: Impossible series in an episode in which the I. M. Force fooled the villain into thinking he had been in suspended animation for some large number of years.

Davidkevin 23:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The drug from Senseless

The commedy Senseless (1998) is about a guy who accepts to be a guinea pig for testing an experimental drug with many unexpected side effects. Was the drug named in the movie? I can't rememmber. Tavilis 19:31, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bloody Eye vs Red Eye & Poison Listing

Heya, I just wanted to say two things:

1. I find that Red Eye should be listed under its name as stated in the original japanese Cowboy Bebop; as Bloody Eye. The series is Japanese Animé, voiced Japanese, so I think we should stay true to the name as stated in the Japanese version of Cowboy Bebop.

2. Shouldn't all fictional poisons and dangarous/unhealthy/deadly chemicals be listed seperately? The Star Wars Expanded Universe, for instance, has a nice collection of different types of poison. So does D&D.

Greets,

Maverick Hunter 13:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, looking over the Other/Unspecified list, there's a few chemical weapons listed there, like the Black smoke. It might be wise to spin this off into either a fictional chemical weapons or fictional poisons section or a whole other article.--YoungFreud 09:42, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I (belatedly) concur on #1, that the Cowboy Bebop drug should be listed under its original name, "Bloody Eye". Even in the original Japanese, it's name is the English words "Bloody Eye". --Arteitle 00:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formic Ethers, Misc. Pulv. etc.

Should the Formic Ethers entry from the List of Fictional chemical substances be moved to this list? It has a "performance enhancing" effect. Also, the chemical Misc. Pulv. from Diana Wynn Jones' novel The Ogre Downstairs allows those who consume it to exchange minds. Wouldn't this be considered a psychoactive property if it was found among real-world drugs?--Roland 00:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Also, if we're including Aklo, should we also include memetic "substances" such as David Langford's "Basilisk" images? [1] [2]

I don't think so. Aklo is at least used in conjunction with a drug, as mentioned in the description. Now that I think about it, I might even take Aklo out and mention it in the description of said drug. Teflon Don 05:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't "Formic Ethers" fall under the fictional applications of real materials catagory?

Maverick Hunter 10:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mutagens

Another question: shouldn't we list Fictional Mutagens, either on this page, or on a new one?

If we sum it up, we have a rather long list of Mutagens or substances with mutagenic side-effects: Phazon, the Color From Outer Space, the Ooze (TMNT), Chemical X, Magestone, Tiberium etc.

Greets, Maverick Hunter 10:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BTL

BTL doesn't list where it is from. It's from Red Dwarf, right? Andjam 02:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

As far as my knowledge goes, BTL was from the Shadowrun RPG, which I added in the list. I never directly put in in the list, because I'm not sure it exhists, or my GM made it up.

Greetz, Maverick Hunter Styx 21:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

BTL is "Better Than Life" and this particular reference -is- from Red Dwarf, both the series and the books. The books explore BTL much more in depth, but to say it's addictive is an understatement. Better Than Life is a video game in which users immerse themselves in a virtual world that is in fact, Better than Life. The problem with BTL is that people like it so much, they don't want to leave, and stay stuck in the game playing equipment until their bodies starve and die. Lister nearly dies in BTL in the novel series. BTL was covered in an episode of the TV series, where the seriousness of the addiction wasn't really covered. Though the problem with BTL in the series was the fact that Rimmer couldn't ever conceive of anything good happening to him and thus trapped himself, Lister and the Cat in a nightmare of his own making. Diranda 20:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Diranda, www.diranda.com

[edit] Fictional toxins

Heya, I did it. I made the List of fictional toxins article.

I've allready moved some of the poisons and mutagens of this article to the new one.

Greets,
Maverick Hunter Styx 09:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool way to be bold! I added links to the See Also sections of several relevant pages: Archive of fictional things, Fictional applications of real materials, Fictional elements, isotopes and atomic particles, Fictional chemical substance, and List of discredited substances.--Roland 01:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. ^_^

-Maverick Hunter Styx 07:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skooma

it's a drug in the game series The Elder Scrolls. dunmer (dark elves) get addicted to it and there is a book in game about someone beating the addiction.

I remember that, Skooma is brewed from a stuff called Moonsugar, wasn't it?

Greets,

-Maverick Hunter Styx 10:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

PS. Watch out where you post this, you mixed it up with the last talk-entry.

[edit] Stimutax

From the show Sealab 2021

Uh that's all, I'm adding it to the "To be added" section.

[edit] MA-19

I'd like to add MA-19 to the list of fictional drugs. MA-19 features in a number of stories and novels by Michael Moorcock between the mid-late '60s including The Deep Fix, The Final Programme and The Black Corridor. It's stated use in the latter book is to depress the parts of the brain that produce hallucinations, although it seems it either doesn't work or actually increases the intensity of the delusions. In The Deep Fix it is used to 'transport' the user to an alternate state of consciousness, which he perceives as an alternate reality. It is highly addictive and usage should not continue beyond 14 days at a time. (I'm also interested in creating a more detailed Wiki article for it, but MA-19 is already an article for Massachusetts's congressional district.) Demos99 13:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cyclomite

okay, so this is not a fictional drug, it is not a mixture of cyclopropane and dynomite, it is cyclopropane, which is an explosive. People always think Pynchon is making things up, he's not.

[edit] Felicium

IRL Felicium is a brand name for Fluoxetine (an antidepressant) in Britain and Austria [3]. This article may mention it not to mistake anyone who may get helped by the real thing. Pavel Vozenilek 19:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ryetalyn

In Star Trek: TOS, there was a mineral called ryetalyn (spelling?) that was used to manufacture a medicine (see Requiem for Methuselah). I thought for years that it was spelled 'ritalin,' but pronounced differently than the name of the drug Ritalin. After a cursory web search, I cannot figure out whether the trademarked drug name Ritalin had been coined before the episode came out. Any thoughts? Fluoborate 10:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Ritalin predates ST by several years.Mzmadmike (talk) 05:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lithium dibromide

In the article, it says lithium dibromide is used to treat bipolar disorder. I don't think this should be included, inasmuch as the lithium ion Li⁺ does treat bipolar disorder. It does not, however, have a dibromide salt.

[edit] Drug from pitch black

what is the name of the one the bounty hunter keeps taking during the movie?

I'm pretty sure he was using morphine, but he wasn't injecting it, he was using it like eye-drops... I'm not sure if that is a realistic delivery method, but I guess it would work in theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.64.208 (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

I think this page should be deleted. As with the List of fictional toxins page, condensing information easily obtainable from other places in Wikipedia is useless. We do not need a list of all fictional anythings, to be quite frank. If someone really wanted to look up a fictional medicine, they would look up the video game or whatever it is featured in. No one is going to use, nontheless get anything out of, a list of this caliber. 24.15.53.225 22:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it's great! I see no reason why things like this shouldn't be in an encyclopaedia, it seems to me in the spirit of the thing that all subjects, no matter how seemingly useless, should get a look in. The entry is comprehensive and seems to be well researched - I say let it stand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.23.240 (talk) 19:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep I agree with all reasons of the above. Besides, you do not have a wiki account. It was created, and of course would have been deleted upon creation if the SysOps deemed it should be so. --121.72.68.214 (talk) 22:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Strong keep - condensing information is most certainly not useless, and not all of the entries are documented on wikipedia anyway. -- Tom Anderson 2008-04-03 0051 +0100

Strong keep - it's convenient for remembering which book which drug was in, often a key plot point, and for finding other such stories.Mzmadmike (talk) 05:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)