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[edit] Comments before 2004

Erm sorry to be difficult but how are the Blue Peter dogs fictional? I mean I know the first Petra was a ringer as the pup died soon after it was first shown but other than that I feel they are - how can I put this - not quite on the same level as Lassie, Snoopy etc! Nevilley 16:31 Dec 23, 2002 (UTC)

someone should mention that painting of the dogs playing poker

Isn't Anubis a jackal? -- Paul A, 20 Jan 2003 1:57pm (UTC)

No one knows for sure. See The Anubis Debate Ortolan88

I don't understand why "Bird Dog" by the Everly Brothers was removed, so I'm putting it back in the hope of being able to discuss it. Sure, it's an extended metaphor, but the metaphorical dog is addressed quite clearly as a dog, attention is drawn to its doggy characteristics etc - I think it's strong enough to stay. Discussion please? :) Nevilley 07:04 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)

I take it that the fact that it was removed again without much discussion (one line in the summary) means that the said discusssion was not welcome. Oh well. I think the removal is a mistake but cannot be bothered to pursue it. Nevilley 20:17 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

Nevilley,

I removed the bird dog twice because Johnny (the bird dog in the song) is not a dog. He is a teenage boy who tries to court girls who are in relationships with other boys. In the song, he is compared to a hound, a bird and a bird dog. If he were a dog, I would leave him in, but he is not. I don't think Johnny belongs on the list. --Two halves 20:25 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

Someone else,

IMHO, the hound dog in "Hound Dog" does belong on this list. The singer of hound dog, could (albeit in a somewhat ironic way) be addressing a real dog. The singer of bird dog is not. --Two halves 20:30 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

The singer of hound dog is most decidedly not addressing a four-legged dog. -- Someone else 20:33 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Well, I must admit that a dog can't talk (First line, second verse). And yes, Big Momma Thornton is using a literary device to compare her lover to a dog. But, if you truly believe that, this hound dog doesn't belong on a list of fictional dogs either. Sorry. --Two halves 20:42 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Dogs in Music

Shouldn't we mention the song "Who let the dogs out? (Ilikerad 02:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC))


[edit] Dogs in Advertising

Just realized that these are real dogs on the fictional dogs list. What was the intention, here? The characters? Split off into their own list?

Yeah, like the dog in the Target commericials (jack russel, right?) (Ilikerad 02:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC))

And on the subject, can someone in the US check that I've spelled Ubu Productions right? I need to fix the redirect.

Quill 04:16, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I know. Inconsistency sucks, huh? :-) Maybe it's time to rethink some of the categorization--and in particular lately I've been contemplating whether in fact we ought to have categories and subcategories that mirror some of the organization here rather than having everything go into Category:Fictional dogs--because, as you point out, indeed the real-dog-actors stuff doesn't belong there--although it's not exactly clear what dogs in advertising really are. E.g., the taco bell dog is *portrayed* by a real dog but a real dog would never behave the way this one is shown as behaving. And now I'm off for a 10-day vacation. With my--ahem--real dogs. Elf | Talk 05:05, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
None of the advertising dogs seems to be fictional. I have removed the entire section and pasted it below should anyone have a case for reintroducing any of these critters to the list.

[edit] There is popular music in cartoons

Most people say they heard popular music in the cartoons. for example: A song by Steam was truly used in a 1969 Scooby-Doo cartoon, before the show changed the music by it's networks.

Yes, but this page is for fictional dogs, not the music in one's cartoons. Please feel free to contribute any fictional dogs we may have overlooked. Lachatdelarue (talk) 03:26, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
To clarify: This page is for names or descriptions of the dogs. The entry formerly named "*"Na, Na, Hey, Hey, Kiss Him Goodbye" by Steam, was used in a 1969 Scooby-Doo cartoon." could go into the article on Steam or Na, Na, Hey, Hey, Kiss Him Goodbye (if there were such an article) or Scooby-Doo, because it's about those things, but the song is not about a dog and neither is the fact that it appeared in a dog cartoon. Elf | Talk 05:02, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Any dogs based on classical?

Here's only one, a unknown dog is heard in "A Streetcar named desire", is a opera composed or written by Andre Previn.

[edit] Which template?

This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness.
Revisions and sourced additions are welcome.
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

The first is currently used; the second is the one I think is appropriate. Brianjd 09:36, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)


[edit] Songs

Some quality control is needed here. it's fictional dogs we're looking for, not the word dog in songs titles or lyrics. i'd say a song has to be narrative in order for there to be a dog character. clearly not led zeppelin's black dog. Youdontsmellbad 22:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC) No one's said anything, so i'm going to go ahead and delete the inappropriate songs. Youdontsmellbad 22:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

deleted "black dog" by led zeppelin, along with:

  • "Dogs" by Pink Floyd from the Animals album, referring to vicious people
  • "Dog Song" by Nellie McCay is about the comfort felt by dog owners
  • "Dog Years" by RUSH makes reference to Sirus the Dog Star

Anyone have a problem with this?

Youdontsmellbad 22:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About "Legendary, mythical and fairytale dogs"

Vortex Dragon, about your previous revert and your edit comment.
Did I say they were real? No.
Did I say I believed they were real? No.
I said they weren't fiction.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about what "the majority" thinks. And neither does Wikipedia.
You said it yourself. It's still personal opinion, regardless of it being the opinion of one or the opinion of a million.
People popularly assume things which isn't correct. Just because some ignorant people assume myth means fictious, or that mythological beings and places are fictional, doesn't mean they decide how a proper encyclopedia is written. It'd be the same if someone edited "Tree of Life" or "Tree of Knowledge" into an article called "List of fictional trees". There is a logical reason for why Greek mythology isn't a redirect to "Greek fiction".
In popular usage, immaculate conception refers to "virgin birth" and evolution means " a change for the better". This isn't how the words are used in academia and neither are they the primary usage. Myth is the same. Whatever some ridiculous "majority" might think is completely irrelevant in any proper context.
Wikipedia, like any other proper encyclopedia, "cater" to scholarly opinions, which is what "my views" on this represent.
Now please stop with the erroneous reverting, I will remove them one last time. I have better things to do rather than spend my time on such. There have been substantial discussions on Talk:Mythology and Talk:Myth. See those if you disagree. Lemegeton 09:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

Anyone else think that, if this list "also includes some real dogs due to the proliferation of reality television shows and advertising" that it should not be called "List of fictional dogs"? Perhaps it should either be renamed "List of dogs" or the real dogs should be split out to have their own list. 206.246.160.29 (talk) 19:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

There's already a List of dogs (used to be called "List of famous dogs") for dogs who actually exist and who were or are well-known for some reason. It's always been difficult to figure out to which list some of the dogs belong. Elf | Talk 06:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing irrelevant Simpsons dogs

The point isn't to have a list of every dog that ever had half a second on TV. Hence I'm removing the whole slew of Simpsons dogs that were recently added, leaving just Santa's Little Helper. If someone can make a convincing argument to readd one of them, please do so here before adding it to the article.

Elf | Talk 06:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)