Talk:List of farms in Gjøvik

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-05-08. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

[edit] Proposed for Deletion: List of farms in...

The following is a summary of points made in the no concensus discussion which will inform improvements of the article (some are transferred from other talk pages (look to the discussion page for further information and for the identity of commenters)):

  • The long list of name is not very informative. A history of farming, how they interacted economically and socially or what kind of information exists about them, that would be different.
  • Listing farms in Norway is somewhat analogous to listing villages in England: some have significant historical importance and have given some their surnames (again like villages in England).
  • useful per the ideology of Inclusionism. But even Inclusionism seems aimed at knowledge rather than a mass of information.
  • I have never heard of Norwegian farms being like towns or villages, they are just farms, most Norwegian farms are much, much smaller than what you see in major agricultoural countries like the US, France and Brazil. That's the sole reason I voted delete. Some of them are notable, like Havrå, but most are not.
  • The lists are public information in Norway. It is not copyvio in any sense. The numbers in front of the names are gardsnumber which is a term used in norway to uniquely identify a farm within a local area. In addition to gardsumber there are bruksnummer in use. Those numbers refers to smaller areas or farms within a larger area. The lists are not temporal in nature as the numbering has been in place for a very long time. The numbering are also in use on detail maps, what's known as økonomisk kartverk. Such lists has a direct analogy in lists of road numbers in an area.
  • The lists are useful for those who write articles about local history as it is easy to check if the farm has been given a description or not. In Norway it is very common to have the farms described in collective works about a municipality. Where I come from we have Gardssoge for Sør-Aurdal (Farm history of Sør-Aurdal) and similar books are available for most of the municipalities.
  • Norwegian farms are very often very old. It is not uncommon that farms are noted in historic sources like Snorre. Still, it is not wise to describe every farm in Wikipedia. There are also the situation where people wants to use a description of an old farm as a reason for writing genealogical articles about their own family. This could create a lot of unwanted vanity articles, yet this isn't a very good argument for deletion of those lists.
  • In my view these lists are not so much collections of information as collections of invitations to write articles about the farms listed. (Articles with information about a farm's history, political importance, etc., can hardly be called vanity, although articles about the families who lived on the farm may be.)
    I am pretty sure that the parallel articles in the Norwegian wikipedias will be kept (and expanded). If the lists get deleted from English Wikipedia, maybe a link to the Norwegian articles can still be kept?
  • Merge with the respective municipalities. These are not simply lists of farms, even though that is what "gård" means in Norwegian. The list is of "gårdsnummer" which is a subdivision of the municipality and such lists may be useful in describing the location of where people live. Even at places where there is no farming any longer, the "gårdsnummer" remain. I don't think these lists are deserving of a separate article, but they are relevant when it comes to coverage of the municipalities' geography.
  • A list should:
  • Cover a clearly defined branch of knowledge, but must be arguably relevant (i.e., useful for some form of research):
  • may cover gazetteer information if it provides important reference information about places and place-names. (Note: this does raise a question whether we shouldn’t create a sister Wiki project… a Wikigazetter.)
  • Convey important accumulated knowledge for an identifiable subject domain.
  • Enter into the Wiki list structure as a head set or subset… the proposor of a new list has the responsibility for proposing a logical structure under which a list falls in the current scheme of lists.