Talk:List of empires

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Contents 1 Chinese Empire 2 French Empire? 3 Ethiopian Empire! 4 Article needs a lot of clean up 5 European Union 6 What does this list use as a definition of empire? 7 List of longest empires

[edit] Chinese Empire

Does it make any sense to have an entry for Chinese Empire? After all, individual chinese empires are listed seperately! --UB 09:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I thought that was crap too. I removed Chinese Empire and put in the following

• • Han Empire
  • Tang Empire
  • Song Empire

The Ming and Qing were already included. Note that the ones I added already had redirects ready so they were obviously more than just dynasties but separate empires. Thnx for forcing me to learn something about Chinese history, lol. Scott Free (talk) 07:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French Empire?

Unless it's on there under a different name and I'm missing it, the modern French empire isn't on there (only ancient and medieval ones), that's major, should be addressed.

s just us Americans thinking we are better than every one else when we aint id rather live in Europe than here its a dump. Only historical and true empires should be listed not ones we wish existed.

[edit] Ethiopian Empire!

Ethiopia was an empire under Haile Selassie, why isnt it listed?

I added Ethiopian Empire and Axumite Empire. You will also find these on the List of longest empires page I created

Scott Free (talk) 07:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs a lot of clean up

I haven't gone though the entire article by any means, but just from reading the first few entries I can see all sorts of inaccuracies and mix-ups. For instance the entries on the Austrian Empire are all in the wrong order and make no sense. I can see there are various other parts that suffer from the same thing. I've gone ahead and placed "Clean-up" and "Expert needed" templates to the start of the article, in the hope that this will spur someone into making it better. I don't want to go through all the dates and facts myself right now, but someone's going to have to do it sometime. --Hibernian 19:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] European Union

I included the EUropean Union becuase of its military and economic hegemony [1] [2][3][4]. [5], and neoliberal, capitalist-imperialist expansionist policies [6][7]. Mrdthree 19:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does this list use as a definition of empire?

The entry for empire defines the term in its first line as "a state that extends dominion over populations distinct culturally and ethnically from the culture/ethnicity at the center of power." It goes on to say there are debates over what exactly is an empire, but, using the given definition, this list needs some major revisions.
The British Empire is listed as still in existence, yet the Spanish, French, Japanese and Chinese empires are not listed as current, and some imperial states are not listed at all. The British Empire exists within Britain proper, to say nothing of some overseas areas: a single culture/ethnicity - the English - holds the centre of power and extends dominion over culturally and ethnically distinct entities - Wales, Scotland, and Ireland/Ulster. While there is not - in my view - oppression of these nations, demographic realities with limited local autonomy mean that for better or worse, there is clearly an English-dominated British Empire. Likewise, France's domination of Breton, Alsatian, Basque and Corsican minorities make France an existing empire; Castillian domination of Catalonian, Galician, and Basque minorities make Spain an existing empire; Japanese domination of the Ainu and Ryukyuan peoples means its stil an empire; and Han domination of China's 56 recognized minorities (including the well-recognized Tibetans, Mongolians, and Manchus)means the Chinese Empire never died. How about Russia? And what can be said of essentially every country of the Americas where one or more European-origin populations or cultures dominate over Indigenous or African-origin peoples?
I recognize this definition of empire - accurate as it may be - could make the list of empires excessively long. I want, however, that there be a well-defined version of empire with subsequent appropriate editing of the list. AnthroGael 23:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

There are definately some entities on here that won't pass as empires or even states. We must be careful not to include civilizations as well as empires. The Indus Valley and Teotihuacano definately got to go. Scott Free (talk) 07:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Definition (see empire) is inherently difficult. I put a 1975 end to the Spanish even if on technical grounds it can be argued that it persists - what is left is just too insignificant and ambiguous. I put a 1607 Virginia settlement as the beginning of the British as the 1587 Roanoke venture failed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.89.216 (talk) 06:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, why is the Indus Valley culture listed as an empire with a 3000 BC date but Egypt is only an empire during the 17th Dynasty? What? It takes 17 Dynasties before you can be considered an empire? Suspect dates there. 71.229.177.167 (talk) 11:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of longest empires

Hi everyone. I took it upon myself to make a separate article chronocling the length of existence of these states dubbed List of longest empires. I strongly urge everyone to check it out and catch any mistakes I imported from here. Thanks to the person(s) who started this page cuz I would have hated to do this all myself. You'll notice some differences in dates and even empires I included. It looks like its been a minute since someone updated this article so feel free to look at my recently updated (tho far from perfect) article for help. HOLLA Scott Free (talk) 07:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)