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[edit] Broccoli and related vegetables

It seems this list is missing broccoli and related vegetables?

Sorted that out; it was a vandal Dave 05:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks like broccoli, cauliflower, kale & rapini got deleted a while ago, and no one noticed. Since their former catagory is gone, I'm not sure if they belong under Leafy and salad vegetables, Fruiting and flowering vegetables, or Bulb and stem vegetables. Someone who knows should add them, though. Poolboy8 (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pickle?

Is a pickle a vegetable, then? ~Lexie

A "pickle" is a pickled cucumber. Cucumbers are vegetables, so yes. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 19:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Avocado

Would an avocado be one of those things that is botanically a fruit but commonly thought of in the gustatory world as a veggie? --Qaz

And what about the tomato? -- Zoe

The tomato is a fruit. --Two Halves

O.k., I'll play nice. The tomato is often used the way that a vegetable is used, and I appreciate the clarification made in the article. --Two Halves

Other things on the list would have to be taken off too if we took off all the fruits as determined botanically, eggplant for instance. --Qaz

:as this is a reference index I think it would be better for things to appaer on both lists (fruits and vegetables) rather than be excluded for technicalities- I would like to see this page eventually link to thorough articles on each item in order to act as a 'portal' to an in depth growing guide that gardeners (for example) could then bookmark for reference. tomatoes, aubergines and other solanaceae would be included in most veg growing or cooking guides, wheras apples, pears, cherries clearly wouldn't quercus robur

[edit] Chinese vegetables

Hey, where are all the Chinese vegetables that my elders cook? (And there are tons of them.) Unfortunately, I am more American than Chinese and I can not list any of them... But there must be some real Chinese cooks out there. -- User:Steveyeh:Steveyeh

[edit] Actually fruits?

What's with all this "actually fruits, but treated as vegetables" business? All fruits are vegetables! PRB 13:54, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Cut items

Pasted below are the following three items which were cut out from the bottom of the list - they were placed there out of alphabetic order;

  • DrumStick(available in Kathikaamam, Tamil Eelam.)
  • Ladies Finger (Available in Vanni, Tamil Eelam.)
  • Brinjal (Available India, Tamil Eelam, Sri Lanka, Pakistan.)
  • Ladies finger is another name for okra, which is already listed.
  • Brinjal is a name (Indian subcontinent) for aubergine/eggplant, also listed.
  • Drumstick - I know this, I've even eaten it! Can't quite name it though, but it may already be in the list.

Imc 21:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Amerigo not found

I can't find Amerigo in Google as the name of a bean. I think it needs to have a solid reference before listing. Is it just a variety? And if so of what species? WormRunner | Talk 05:56, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] And I cannot find chives

[edit] Lemongrass

Hmm, if lemongrass can be included here, what's to stop the other herbs such as thyme or basil from being included as well? Lemon grass is not eaten raw like you would a carrot or a stick of celery to my knowledge. And if you did try so, then you'd better chew carefully for the leaves can cut your tongue like a paper can cut your finger. You do not add seasoning to lemongrass just to eat it. Instead you use lemongrass as a seasoning to flavor a dish. It's also used medicinally in some parts of Asia. --Dara 11:38, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] What should go in this list

I have reverted an anonymous user's wholesale reduction of the list. While I agree with some of the deletions, the overall effect was to reduce the usefulness of the list. Sweet corn is used as a vegetable, as are nettles. There is no justification for eliminating such vegetables as Kohlrabi, and so forth. Perhaps we can agree on a list of guidelines for inclusion? -- WormRunner | Talk 20:53, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

To start things off, vegetable is a culinary term and has no botanical meaning. Fruit, on the other hand, has a very specific botanical meaning and a very nebulous culinary one. Pears and pineapple are both considered fruits in a culinary sense, while zucchini, sweet corn and chard are considered vegetables. Cereal grains are botanically a kind of fruit, but except for sweet corn are often not considered to be either a vegetable or a fruit in a culinary sense. The herbs overlap with vegetables in that some plants are used either as medicine or flavoring (herb), or as a food with substance (vegetable). A plant part would only be considered a vegetable if you are using chunks of it, not a powder or extract. Sage is entirely an herb, whereas fennel can be used as either one. I would be in favor of including anything here which has a reasonably important vegetable use, regardless of whether or not it is botanically a fruit, seed or what have you, or can be considered an herb in some contexts. -- WormRunner | Talk 23:52, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It's just a list page. Anything that is commonly thought of as a vegetable should go in, never mind the tchnicalities of scientific classification, that way the page is much more useful to users. There's a blurb at the top of the page that clarifies this point already quercus robur 00:30, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Leak

Perhaps it would simpler to have a section for proposed additions, e.g. Leak

[edit] Christoferine

added to the list. had one in portugal 30 ys. ago, looked tasted like a bittermelon but was green. Would somebody give a botanical identification please ?http://www.ipfsaph.org/id/WTOTBTNF036353

yes its chayote

[edit] corn is it a vegetable or a herb

[edit] Rewrite

I have just re-done this page with lots of additions. I have arranged the list in subcategories corresponding roughly to which bits of the plant are eaten. I realise that the term vegetable is not exact, so expect there to be additions to and removals from this list. I have deliberately removed any culinary herbs (ie those used to flavour food rather than as a source of calories). Hope you like. Dave 12:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This pretending to be an encyclopedia increases public ignorance

Beans and lentils and chickpeas and so forth are pulses NOT vegetables. If someone would need to know the difference between vegetables and pulses using this list for his diet, he/she would make a big mistake and increase his/her confusion and ignorance.

Idiots like you are a massive source of public ignorance. A vegetable is "a plant or part of a plant, which is used as food". If you can find me a bean, lentil, or chickpea, which is NOT a vegetable, I would be impressed.
I'd say that beans lentils and chickpeas are pulses AND vegetables. Read the discussion above, especially under the heading What should go in this list. The term vegetable is a vague one. Dave 17:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watermelon

Moved the following from the article to here: (Dave 16:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC))

  • edit * - Should watermelon really be placed on the list of vegetables here? It is listed here as a vegetable, though I remember it being a fruit.

Furthermore, on a seperate Wikipedia page here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon

it is listed as a fruit, which leaves these seperate Wikipedia pages inconsistent.

"Watermelon (Citrullus lanatus, Family Cucurbitaceae) is the fruit and plant of a vine-like (climber and trailer) herb originally from southern Africa...The watermelon fruit, loosely considered a type of melon (although not in the genus Cucumis), has a smooth exterior rind and a juicy, sweet, usually red interior flesh."

Though the term "fruiting vegetable" might be argued to include fruits (would seem a strange useage, at least to me), other entries in this same category of vegetables listed here such as tomato, eggplant, cucumber, and squash (just to name a few) are known vegetables that I've never seen classified as a fruit. These 2 Wikipedia pages, should, maintain some consistency on the information provided.

is there any foods beggining with x

[edit] Seaweed

Seaweeds are not plants and thus are not vegetables, they are algae. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.171.189.104 (talk • contribs • WHOIS) .

The plants listed under this section aren't algae. There are algae that live in the sea, certainly, but that's not what this list contains. This lists plants that grow in water that are eaten as vegetables. If I'm mistaken, and some of the particular seaweed vegetables here are actually algae, please feel free to correct me with specifics. Otherwise, please don't remove the list, okay? Thanks. Waitak 13:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Seaweeds are indeed algae (marine macroalgae) and so this is the only section in this list that does not list members of the kingdom Plantae. I think they should stay, but maybe the introduction needs changing. Thoughts? Dave 17:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'll be darned. I stand corrected. I'd always had a layman's understanding that seaweeds are just plants that happen to grow in the sea. I agree that they need to stay - this is a list of vegetables, not just a list of edible plants. But it would be a good idea to make that more explicit. Waitak 00:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The wiki article about red algae, under taxonomy, states that there is a debate to which kingdom it belongs. Some say Plantae and some say Protista.

[edit] Featured list?

I'm considering trying to bring this list up to Featured List status. It'd clearly need a lot more information for each entry to be a featured list. Initial thoughts are:

  • Nutritional properties - e.g. brocolli is high in vitamin C and soluble fiber...
  • Global distribution - where is the vegetable eaten
  • Usage - how is the vegetable eaten

Any thoughts? We'd need a lot of references to survive the process, and the list would change pretty dramatically. Any objections? Anybody willing to chip in? Waitak 12:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sprouts?

Shouldn't there be sprouts on this list too? What about pickled veggies? Mushrooms? I guess it all depends on whether we want to make a list of culinary vegetables, or of botanically-verified veggies...Zigzig20s 10:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say no, since this is really concerned with the plants, not with the way they're prepared, no? Waitak 11:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I use them as salads...like I do lamb's lettuce or whatnot.Zigzig20s 13:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horseradish

Is there a reason that I can't think of just now that wasabi is on this list but horseradish is not? There's already a Wikipedia article that could be linked to if someone wanted to add it to the list. -- Antiquegeek (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)