Talk:List of cruise lines

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I suppose some ferries bill themselves as "cruise lines" because they entertain passengers while getting them to a destination, but since they don't show up in authoritative lists of cruise ships (such as printed books), probably better to remove them, or keep segregated in a sublist. Stan 14:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I may go ahead and remove the ferry listings and move them over to the list of ferry operators. Splamo 16:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Its pointlessly vague to just classify the companies as being based in America or Europe - I'm changing it to define their country HQ, not just continent. Ecth (talk) 10:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

- UPDATE: - I'm about halfway through Ecth (talk) 11:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Why are individuals including ferry operators as cruise lines, or are naming a holding company as a cruise line.

Both Effoa and Finnlines have operated cruise ships in the late 70s (MS Ilmatar and MS Finnstar (1967), respectively), therefore they deserve to be on the list. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ilmatar was a ferry when owned by Finska Ångfartygs Ab, Finnstar was also a ferry until her conversion as a cruise ship in 1982. Finnstar was operated by Hapag Lloyd for cruising, although still a ferry, not by Finnlines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.29.169 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

According to all sources I've come across, Finnstar was converted into a cruise ship in 1979. Her cardeck was built in with cabins and she was used on cruises around the Mediterranean, west coast of Africa and the Baltic. Therefore, she was a cruise ship. And she was operated by Hapag-Lloyd during the summer seasons and Finnlines during the winters, which made Finnlines a cruise operator.

I also have to point out that this article is a list of cruise lines, not a list of cruise ship operators. Cruises have been operated since the beginnings of the cruise industry by ships that technically were not cruise ships. Norwegian Cruise Line started life by operating ferries on cruise service, yet no-one lists them as a ferry line. Therefore arguably Finnlines was also a cruise line when the second Finnpartner and Bore Star were used on cruise traffic during the early and mid-70s. For similar reasons Effoa deserves to be on the list as they operated the Ilmatar (as well as the Regina) on cruise service during the 70s. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 21:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Norwegian Cruise Line started out as Norwegian Caribbean Line, operating ferries which carried cars and cargo. It was only the third vessel that was not actually a Car Ferry, they did not rename themselves Norwegian Cruise Line until they started operating out side of the Caribbean and defintaely when they only had cruise ships in their fleet. All UK Ferry companies and most European ferry operators promote their passenger services as cruises - P&O, GNV, DFDS etc and yet they are definitely not cruise lines nor was Finnlines or EFFOA. I am very sceptical that there are any differences between a normal ROPAX ferry and many acclaimed Cruise Ferries, plonk any cruise ferry in a cruise operation and amazingly they appear just that, ferries. Yes, EFFOA was an investor in Commodore, Crown, Bermuda Star, Sally, even Silja with Silja Opera, and Sundance (if considered a cruise line) but are definately not a cruise line.

Please see a history of Finnstar http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Finlandia.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.61.251 (talk) 19:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

A Cruise Line is an organisation than operates or markets cruises, with ships designed for that purpose, a cruise ship operator such as Kyma Ship Management, V Ships - own and operate ships but do not market them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.61.251 (talk) 19:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)