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[edit] Proposed protocol for this "List of Concert Halls"

Since this is a list of HALLS rather than PACs or performance spaces, etc, I have revised much of this article based on the following criteria:

1. Name of Hall: Where the hall has an obvious name (named after a person, etc.), that name should be used, even if it is part of a larger PAC. e.g. Alice Tully Hall is part of Lincoln Center

Where the name of the hall is not English (e.g. Musikverein, it should appear in the original language with a translation if appropriate. e.g. Musikhuset Aarhus (Aarhus Concert Hall)

2. When to include PAC's name: As in the example above, BOTH the hall name and the PAC's name appear with separate Wiki links e.g. Alice Tully Hall, Lincoln Center

3. Name of Performing Arts Center where hall has a generic name (e.g. "Concert Hall"): In this case, where it is the PAC rather than the hall which is known, it should appear with the name of the PAC first followed by the generic name. e.g. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts Concert Hall

I trust that everyone is in agreement with this as a means of presenting the infomration in a more logical way - given the title of the article. Vivaverdi 18:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Column Reorder
Now that we have broken out the centers and halls (which I think has worked out quite well - I'm sure that soon we'll have a PAC article listing all of the halls for each PAC), I have been confronted with the issue of ordering. I think that the halls are best known by the Center most of the time, so I was going to change the column order and place the Center first, ordering the list alphabetically by the Center, and then have the Hall as the second column. Many times the Hall name may just be "Concert Hall" anyway. Any objections or thoughts before I go ahead and make this change? Bhludzin 18:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem with this approach is how someone will search for a concert hall. The Louise Davies Hall in San Francisco is part of the larger PAC with a different name. I've gone through and changed the name where appropriate to the correct PAC, rather than duplicate the Hall name and PAC in side-by-side columns. e.g. Royal Albert Hall is not part of a PAC, so it does not need anything in the PAC column.
If we reverse this, there will be an empty spaces. AS noted somewhere (below?), a separate List of PACs might be a better approach.
Vivaverdi 18:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that I don't think that the hall name is what most people know. Who knows that the name of the symphony hall at the Kimmel Center is Verizon Hall? I think that most of the time, people know the Center or building before they know the Hall name. I think the Davies Hall is an exception - when I lived in San Francisco for 6 years, the whole building was always called the Davies Hall, and it was later that they named everything the San Francisco War Memorial and Performing Arts Center. I propose that everything is ordered like it is in all of the other lists (e.g. List of symphony orchestras, List of rapid transit systems), geographically first. But then I feel that the columns should be the Center and then the Hall. Bhludzin 19:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Agree on the idea of making this list conform to the examples of other lists. Right now, I'm trying to get as much accuracy as possible with the entries we have; then they can be re-ordered.
Agree with you on Davies Hall in SF: that name should appear first, but it is part of the SFWMPAC and is administered by them, a bit like Lincoln Center - a separate building among many other specialized ones rather than all auditoria under one roof.
Re: example like Kimmel. For all entries, we could do what I'd proposed up top a long time ago: i.e. when there is a generic "Concert Hall", put the name of the Center first, then "Concert Hall" as in Kennedy Center etc...
So "Verizon Hall" would appear as: "Kimmel Center, Verizon Hall". How would that look to everyone? "Lincoln Center, Alice Tully Hall"??
Vivaverdi 13:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I like that so much better. (Sorry I took a while to respond - I burned out on this list for a while after so many edits...) I think that left-to-right the columns should be: country (when the region permits all to be in one list), state or province (when it is applicable, like the U.S.), then city, then PAC, then Hall/Building/Room. I think that it should be ordered that way as well - when I look at the list, I drill down geographically - you always know what country/city/state the hall is in, but you might not know the name. I think this way the list would be much more approachable. How do you feel about doing it like that?
Bhludzin 23:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Just getting to look at this again. Thanks for your comments. I don't have a problem with that approach, although my only reservation would be that the HALL needs to be somehow prominent, so maybe that could be achieved by having a shaded background to the Hall column even if it is a few cols. over from the left.

Now that we are ordered by country it looks a lot better than it did, so, for the US entries, ordering by city, then state (together as we have it now? not 2 cols I think) seems to be the proposal and that's fine by me.

Let's play with it and see how it looks. Vivaverdi 23:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. As a matter of simplicity, I think that we can remove the duplication as in the Hong Kong section. No need to repeat Hong Kong in the city column. It's already be done with Japan and others.... Vivaverdi 23:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I did it (and it was a LOT of work). I reorganized all of the tables - I think that everything is much more readable and accessible now. It will now be easier to expand the list as well, because we can see the geographic areas where we have holes in the list, and can do searches for "concert hall" with particular countries or cities. The boldest move that I made was to change the "PAC" and "Concert Hall" columns to "Venue" and "Room" respectively. They are the only terms that fit the data. Many of the entries that were in the PAC column are not PACs, but are just the concert hall building itself, or are civic centers, universities, etc. So I thought that "Venue" fit better than PAC. And then within the venue there is a specific room - the use of the term "Concert Hall" for the Room column heading was very confusing since many of the venues have the words "Concert Hall" in the name of the venue (which was in the other column). Bhludzin 04:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Excellent. I think this looks fine this way. Well done.... Vivaverdi 18:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update on protocol

Suggestion: since this is a list where halls or PACs appear right after the location, I felt that, if one is listed as part of a university campus, the name of the university should appear AFTER the name of the hall or PAC (unless its offical name ins the "U of A Perf Arts Center").

I've made some changes to reflect this, and found that further discreet wiki links emerge e.g.: Arizona State University and Gammage Auditorium

[edit] Protocol revisions proposals- 25 November 2007

It would seem to me to make more sense having the name of the larger body appear first, then the smaller entities within it.
That seems to the way most of this is article is laid out anyway.
Therefore, it would be:
  • State
  • City
  • Name of complex (whether PAC or University or "host" body)
  • Name of "Room" within that body; if no host body, then just name of room and next col empty
  • Size
  • etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viva-Verdi (talk • contribs) 20:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Significantly Expanding This List

I currently don't have the time, but if anyone is interested, someone could significantly expand this list in a short period of time by going through the List of symphony orchestras article and finding the symphony halls through there to be added to this list. That article and the List of symphony orchestras in the United States article are both much more thorough than this list. This article should be brought up to a comparable level with those articles. Bhludzin 16:25, 13 May 2006

Not sure how to post my comment, but noticed that Mexico is not included in the list of concert halls, and considering it probably has more halls and orchestras than any other country in Latin America (posted as South America here), it should be included in North America. In a list of symphony orchestras, I've just included several important Mexican orchestras that were omitted. Olaf Carrera, 5 May 2007
Indenting your comment with : (so that yours indents 1 space and mine now indents 2 spaces) will make it a bit more obvious, but thanks for it. Maybe you could compile a list for Mexico and add the halls? Or, if you have a problem with the format for adding them, pls let me know and I can help. Also pls sign your name with the 4 tildes, so it will appear like mine does Viva-Verdi 16:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra info in footnotes

Thanks for the comment and for fixing that.

I hadn't yet figured out how to do it, and just ploughed ahead with updating as many of the entries as possible where I could find information.

When completed, that is certainly a priority, as is re-ordering, etc. Sometimes the name of the concert hall turns out to be totally dofferent from the one actually on the list......

Vivaverdi 13:10, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concert halls

In what sense is the Sala Mare ("large hall") of the National Theatre Bucharest a "concert hall"? It's a normal (well, actually, a rather nice) theatre hall. As far as I know, it has rarely if ever been used for musical performance. The "George Enescu" Symphony Orchestra plays at the Atheneum (mentioned). Bucharest also has a Sala Radio (not mentioned, no article) which is occasionally used for concerts, especially chamber music; the Sala Palatului (not mentioned) is used for many things, including concerts (not usually classical concerts, but it's a big venue for popular music with specifically Romanian character); the Sala Polivalente (not mentioned, no article) is used similarly to the Sala Palatului, but the concerts there lean more toward rock, etc. All of these have, I would think, a better claim on being called concert halls than any hall of the National Theatre. - Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't know anything about any of the halls in Romania. If you feel that it needs to be removed, please do so and replace as appropriate. If you can write an article (even a stub), that would be useful. Vivaverdi 13:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding concert halls

New York City: Weill Recital Hall and Zankel Hall, both part of Carnegie Hall, should be added to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.116.95 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

London: I intended to add Cadogan Hall in Chelsea but found the list format too much to deal with. Athænara ✉ 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I added it. It wasn't so bad after all—just a little trepidation before a learning experience. –Æ. 05:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
What about the Queen Elizabeth Hall or the Purcell Room in London, or the Miller Theater in NYC (at Columbia University, I think)? I will try to mess things up by adding them but it would be much better for someone who knows how to deal with the table formatting to do so! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 19:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Leicester: De Montfort Hall. Rodparkes 08:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Brighton: Brighton Dome. This one will give the guidelines a real workout. Brighton is now the City of Brighton and Hove. "Brighton Dome" is actually the name of a complex including two halls besides the main Concert Hall, to which "The Dome" always referred when I lived there. Monomoit (talk) 01:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links?

I don't think external links are appropriate or necessary within these tables (where would one stop?), so unless anyone objects I will remove them all.--Shantavira 14:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I AGREE. Yes, if every one had it's own.... Take 'em out. Viva-Verdi 06:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Russia?

I see nothing about Russia in this article..

-Guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.190.149.168 (talk) 03:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Chamber

The link to the article about "The Chamber" talks about a book.

Also it appears that some of the links are to external sites and this is not indicated in the usual way. Zygnoda 07:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poland

Where is Poland???? 83.9.64.194 (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)