Talk:List of compositions by Anton Reicha
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I put the opus number list first because its easier to read, I think, at least all these pieces really do exist and were published. Whereas in the second list lots of unpublished pieces are given, as well as various works currently known only through various contemporary accounts of Reicha's life and work, etc. Jashiin 23:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Symphonies
Aside from the E-flat, I see no mention of the C minor recorded on Valois (and listed as "symphony no. 1" there.) - assuming (?) that it is authentic, not sure where it fits in chronology compared to this G major symphony here listed as no. 1. (And the multiple no. 1s, etc. will confuse others besides me even if it only reflects multiple works that were so titled.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 14:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, because Reicha's oeuvre is not very well researched, and because Stone's catalogue is no more than a draft of one (and there is no substitute), things like these happen all the time. It could be that the C minor symphony you're talking about is one of the à grand orchestre ones (1809, 1811). Or maybe its a recently discovered work that has yet to be included in the catalogue. And then it could be that the symphony is not authentic.. Jashiin (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Quite possible re their being among the symphonies à grand orchestre. I see that they're assumed to be (I gather the judgment of evidence tends toward their being...) authentic at present and have been known for some time - see a footnote to page 105 of Wyn-Jones' "The Symphony in Beethoven's Vienna", (this book at Google Book Search specifically - the footnote mentions them, disputes the claim made by a Reicha biographer that they (Reicha's C minor and F minor symphonies) were written in Vienna, but mentions their manuscripts - because they were written on French paper, as a counter to that claim. He goes into much greater detail about the G major and F major symphonies - which were written in Vienna apparently and are on topic- and some about the two E-flat symphonies (I wasn't even positive there were two, and that opus 41 and 42 ... well, right. Ok, apparently opus 41 and 42 really are different works! I didn't know that... it can't always be taken for granted, I fear.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Reicha biographer mentioned in that footnote is Olga Šotolová; apparently her book on Reicha contains errors - I haven't read it, but one of the reviews I found while working on the article Anton Reicha states so. See the first footnote there for details. So I gather it can't be trusted. As for catalogue inconsistencies and such - literally nothing surprises me after studying early music, where catalogues are always "in progress" and researchers race against one another to find more new pieces.. then other researchers disprove their findings.. still other researchers then dig up older findings and prove them correct.. etc. :) --Jashiin (talk) 15:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
After attempting the (pointless since already sort-of-done) task of attempting to compile a Krommer/Kramar opus list and finding how many works had the same opus numbers; and seeing how many catalogs there were of the music of Michael Haydn, and several others; and... - (I stop there quite arbitrarily) no disagreement from this corner. Further on the C minor symphony - the book referred to by the catalog card
https://catalog.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=379071&DB=local
contains scores of the C minor and F major symphonies (and notes about their provenance, and works by Witt and Eberl)- it's part of that Garland Publishing series from awhile back. Published in 1983, but no preview at Google books alas. (ISBN 082403838X.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I just looked at the Stone catalogue again and remembered that I tried - while making this page - to clear it up somewhat, only leaving works that had at least SOME details given about them. I know, not a good thing to do, but it eliminates the copyright problem because the page is not really a copy of Stone's catalogue. Anyway, Stone lists the following symphonies (aside from those included in the article):
- Sym., US-Bpm, M.403.107
- Sym., C, before 1824, frag. in H i, 141
- Sym., C, before 1824, frag. in H i, 166
- Sym./Ov., C, before 1824, frag. in H i, 175
