Talk:List of comic book superpowers/Archive 3

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No two examples from the same company?

I was wondering when that rule came in? I know that when I was removing spare characters from the examples I tried to make sure I didn't wipe out one from DC / Marvel if the other two were from the other company, but do we really need to edit examples if they both happen to be Marvel or DC or from a different comic? Jacobshaven3 19:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

It's just a way of making sure we don't favor one company of the other. By all rights, we could mix it up a bit, even through some independents in there, as long as it's balanced. CovenantD 19:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia works by concensus...I think most of us can agree that this makes it simpler, but if you have a proposal for what, and how many, examples should be included, then make that proposal here and we'll discuss. Historically, the examples got WAY, WAY out of hand and we don't want to get back to being a list of superheroes by their superpower. I don't particularly like the fact that we are split between DC and Marvel comics while ignoring independents, so I'd support any good solution that took this into account. --Kickstart70-T-C 19:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, how's this: we try to be representative in depicting various companies, trying to not show favoritism and being sure to include some from smaller, "independent" comic companies. CovenantD 19:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, when I went through and removed any third example, I always kept independant comic characters as a priority, and then made sure that if no independant one was there, that the other two were from different comics. I think this would be a good rule since it gives Independant comics a priority and then as a second prevents DC/ Marvel bias (although I must say that I know a lot more about Marvel then I do about DC so I might be accidently bias). Also, I think that someone with some time (I would but my pc broke and my replacement is slow as a snail) should go through and look for characters from independant comics and replace the examples. We don't really need lot's of Super Man and Hulk examples if an independant character can be used instead, if you get my drift. Jacobshaven3 22:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be convenient to have the criteria for examples posted on the talk-page like Talk:List of dead comic book characters does? I think it would stop a lot of unnecessary reverts and inclusions. Dizzy D 12:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Definition of powers

Ok, maybe I'm being a bit picky here but powers like pyrokinesis and photokinesis have been defined as the ability to generate fire or photons respectively. Technically they are the ability to move or manipulate them not generate them. The ability to generate fire or photons etc would be pyrogenesis or photogenesis. NeilEvans 22:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the description for them should be changed then. I know the Human Torch (one example for pyrokinesis) can create fire, but unless we are going to be adding Pyro/Photogenesis as well (which would be too confusing) then the description should change, as should the examples probably. Jacobshaven3 00:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I think that's probably splitting things too fine. Leave it is my vote. CovenantD 02:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I think it's fine how it is, but if the name is too bothersome, you could always rename them to something more general like Fire Control and Light Control which would include both manipulation and generation, technically speaking. CKalhoon 19:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
But then they wouldn't fit under "Kinesis" so which form of power would they be? Jacobshaven3 09:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Witch Characters

I just thought I'd let you know that the characters that someone recently added (breaking the two character rule) as well as being from a cartoon, actually do derive from a Comic... so maybe they would make better examples than the current ones... I'm going to check now. Jacobshaven3 22:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Tweaking Categories

While the categories on this page are generally "elemental" (Energy, Mental, Physical), "Transportation" is not. I suggest renaming that category to "Displacement" and moving Electrical, Flight, Levitation, and Wallcrawling to Physical (and moving Summoning into Displacement). I think it'd also be reasonable to make a new category for powers that are just enhanced versions of normal human abilities (generally, the ones with "super" or "enhanced" right there in the name). Also, Magic really ought to move to "misc" since it isn't necessarily mental and, like object-based powers, isn't consistant in either operation or effect.

I wonder about a few specific powers: Gliding, Molecular Dissipation, and Object-based Powers. 1st, is Gliding EVER a power on its own, or is it just a side-effect of other powers? (Also, while Atom is listed as an example, I didn't see anything about gliding on his Wiki page). 2nd, is there anyone that has Molecular Dissipation but NOT Molecukinesis? If Darkseid is the only example, then surely they shouldn't be separate powers. 3rd, I suggest renaming Object-based Powers to Gadgetry (especially if Magic is also moved to Misc).

I'd have just gone ahead with the edits, but you folks seem more knowledgeable than me (and I'm about to sleep); if no one disagrees by the time I get back to this, I'll go ahead. --Skiltao 07:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to comment on your suggestions but I'm about to head to bed myself. Can you hold off until I get back to Wiki upon waking? CovenantD 07:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm fine with moving many of the "Transportation" abilities to "Physical", including Flight, Gliding, Levitation, Wall crawling, and Super Jumping. Disagree with the new cat for enhanced human abilities since it seems to be a splitting of Physical. Fine with moving Magic (always thought it was out of place in Mental) but maybe Energy is a better spot? Agree with removing Molecular Dissipation as redundant. Gliding is, in my opinion, a separate power. Another example would be Wonder Woman just after her reboot in '87. She didn't originally have flight; she rode air currents, much as the Vision does when he reduces his density. CovenantD 16:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Revert war!!!

I think we have a revert war going on with Energy manipulator examples. Different people (anons) seem to be fighting each other over which "set" of Heroes compliments it better. Can we have some concensous about this before it just get's annoying. (I come here basically every day and it's happened again and again). The choices are Silver Surfer and Captain Atom or Thanos and Argent, which two do people think is a better set of Energy Manipulators to use as an example? --Jacobshaven3 09:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I vote for Silver Surfer and Captain Atom. While Thanos and Argent are energy manipulators, I don't usually associate Thanos with energy manipulation like I do with characters like Silver Surfer, Quasar, or Genis-Vell who have more obviously energy-based power sets. And once again, for the prerequisite DC example, I find Captain Atom to be a more obvious and visible example of the classic energy manipulator than Argent or even a Green Lantern. TheSentinel 14:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Green Lantern is just about the best possible example of an energy manipulator...if it's accepted that's what the green force really is? --Kickstart70-T-C 18:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Green Latern's use Oan energy, though I believe they have shown the ability to effect other types of energy as well. Captain Atom can absorb and manipulate ALL forms of energy around him. Just like Quasar uses Quantum energy, the Surfer can use, manipulate and absorb all types of energy (including Quantum energy and even Asgardian magic) around him. TheSentinel 19:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, i can kind of get Aura being cut but why Penance Stare

Is it similar to a current power? If not, then do two or more people have the ability? Because even though only one example is necessary, there must be two people in comic book fiction that use it. If it doesn't have a similar power already and there are more than one example of it's use, then It should be kept. Jacobshaven3 01:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
So unique superpowers are not noteworthy? The "penance stare", IIRC, is a Ghost Rider ability and is really a retributive type of emotion/sensory control. According to the Ghost Rider Wikipedia page, Ghost Rider locks eyes with a foe, causing them to feel all the pain they have inflicted on others throughout their life. So, in other words, it could be seen as a highly specialized form of telepathy (if the pain comes from the victim's own memory) or as a more esoteric magico-spiritual ability (if the pain is based on what the victim actually did irrespective of memory). Applejuicefool 21:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Pyrogenesis

Somebody 64.7.14.194, created Pyrogenesis, I'm just wondering if this whould be removed, and if not, where it should be placed since it's not a Kinesis ability? Jacobshaven3 08:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the Pyrogenesis addition is unneccessary. It's just an extension of Pyrokinesis. CKalhoon 06:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened!?!!?!

hemm... i just have checked the list and... hey men there are lots of new powers but ther are the same of other I mean:

Sonar to Photonic Energy conversion?? ok ok... the sound is a kind of energy, so is the same as Energy Manipulation.. also Energy Plasmoids... is the same as a kind of Energy Blasts so remove it

then, Shadow Blending?? come on!, the main articule just say it!! is camouflage!!, so is isnt even a power!! or super power!!...

also, Aura's.... is the same as Empathy but in a diferent level.., just as Extra Sensory Perception, is a Danger Sense!! or Empathy!!

Intuition.. ít just can't fint... I mean WE ALL HAVE INTUITION!!

Neuromorphic powers, also dosent work, is a Enhanced Sense!!, ... so Nop...

Projective precognition??? WE ALREADY HAVE A PRECOGNITION!!

Psionic Scanning... is just another X-ray vision!! energy control, or a Clarividense!!


Amphibious Capabilities, Body Force Manipulation, Biomorphing Adaptability, Feralism they are just another SPECIFIED powers, (Amphibious Capabilities - Biokinesis) (Body Force Manipulation-Density Control) (Biomorphing Adaptability - Biokinesis) (Feralism - shapeshifting)

Strength Bestowal--- is just a Super streght, super speed, and all that... like Superman...

doesnt Lycanthropic shapeshifting is the same thing as shapeshifting? I mean, Beast boy and mystic can Shape de form of their body, including their mass, i dont think that a Lycanthropic shapeshifting is diferent from both, like they put, Wolfsbane, "transforms" into a kind of "werewolf", but the same!! is shapeshifting!!!

Super Dexterity also Super Proprioception, is the same as Super agility, remove both and Power Duplication, is POWER MIMICRY!!

so do we need to remove it? or what?

i say remove it!!

Oh goodness, I completely agree with you. I know they were probably trying their hardest to help, and a couple of their additions may well be useful, but most of them have to go. Who else agrees with me? Jacobshaven3 23:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
This is a huge mess. Out of all those additions, the only useful one is "Power Bestowel" since I don't think the ability to give another powers has been covered. Everything else is either an extension of already mentioned power or an already mentioned power with a different name. CKalhoon 01:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that most of these are unnecessary add-ons, but I don't see how Amphibious Capabilities is the same as Biokinesis according to the definition given in this article. And I would see camouflage as a superpower as well (though I wouldn't call it Shadow Blending). Dizzy D 12:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
i second that amphibious capabilities isn't biokinesis and why don't u write more for each power if your going to delete information why not add it to another article. like Lycanthropic shapeshifting could be added onto shapeshifting as forced shapeshifting under certain circumstaces. if you increase the information on each article instead of just deleting it completely then peoples efforts and time wouldn't be wasted u could take there information and change it to your needs. but i also disagree with the fact that you have said that Body Force Manipulation is Density Control as it is to do with kinetic manipulation as a force so that has nothing to do with density more like elasticity or someother power
well i think that we cant put all those Specifed powers.. like amphibious thing also as you said "like Lycanthropic shapeshifting could be added onto shapeshifting as forced shapeshifting under certain circumstaces" but we already discusse that this is a list of the basic powers of comic-book-characters... not all kind of superpowers that exist.. because... we know that beast-boy and mistyc have the same power...shapeshifting BUT THEY USE THE POWER IN DIFERENT WAYS... so lycanthropic, Intuition, Sonar to Photonic Energy conversion, Shadow Blending, Energy Plasmoids, Aura's, Neuromorphic powers, Projective precognition, Psionic Scanning, Amphibious Capabilities, Body Force Manipulation, Biomorphing Adaptability, Feralism, Super Dexterity also, Proprioception and Power Duplication HAVE TO BE REMOVE!!!
ok we can keep, camouflage but as camouflage ... not Shadow blending and put the definition of camouflage like a special hability... then i will think about it whit Power Bestowel, i dont thnik is another power... i think is a super streight, super speed and all that sutff in one.. like I said, just like super man...
Power Bestowel is defined as the ability to give other people superhuman powers. I don't see how it is in any way like Superman. I think there more than enough characters for who the amphibious powers are a large part of the character (and not minor, obscure characters, but Namor and Aquaman for instance). And please sign your comments (type with four tildes). Dizzy D 12:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I would be for the removal of postcognition though, as it seems to be just a more limited form of psychometry. Dizzy D 13:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

sublimation

I seem to remember a version of this pabe that had sublimation as the ability to sublimate objects, not oneself, and a list of heroes (which I have forgotten) who could do that. I think darkseid had the ability to lower the boiling point or melting point of objects, taking that energy, and making them boil/melt/combust. Not sure. What would you call the ability to never be moved, or, as with the Juggernaut, the ability to never be stopped? 66.41.66.213 00:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

bugs?

um...can anyone tell me if bug controling is listed because i can fin it anywhereand i would like to know what its called.

intagibility

allows subject to phase threw objects

both phasing and density control already mention this ability Dizzy D 12:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

animal empathy / communication?

eg. Tarzan or the Phantom (in TV series). Doesn't seem to be listed anywhere yet?

Well, if there are no examples of it in comic book fiction, then it has no place in this list. If there are examples, add them in yourself, be bold. just remember that you can't add any more than two examples and they have to be from a comic book source.
Aquaman, Squirrel Girl...~ZytheTalk to me! 21:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Well add them in then :) Jacobshaven3 21:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
It's just a form of telepathy and doesn't need it's own listing. CovenantD 22:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually it is listed in comic books, Isn't Storm A Ecopath it says on her page... Ecopathy is the ability to sense naturn and the earth lifeforce.

Example Reverts

As far as I'm aware we have a rule here that examples must be from different comic publishers. I won't just revert the anonymous user, since an Admin has seen fit that these should be kept, however, This has made the article very bias towards DC, and has removed very good examples (Professor X has been removed from mind control) and replaced them with unusual one's which dont' seem as good examples of the powers. I am going to revert back as many of these as I think are necessary in order to make all powers have examples from different companies. If anyone disagrees, say so here, I'll wait a few days. Jacobshaven3 01:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC) (posted several days ago)


Should these powers count?

Should these powers be added to the list:

The power to fuse with other items and use them as a weapons. The power to extend the fingertips into deadly knives. The power to eat anything. 195.92.67.75 09:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC) (Evilgidgit)

Don't know about 1, could you give an example of a character with that power? 2 could be either a very limited form of "shapeshifting" or fall under "natural weapons", so I don't think it needs to be added as a seperate superpower. 3 could be added, I don't think it falls under any of the other categories and Matter-Eating Lad is a classic superhero. Dizzy D 10:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

But are there two notable examples? No. CovenantD 15:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Matter-Eating Lad and Maggott. Dizzy D 16:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Very true. However, in the Hulk movie, David Banner can fuse his body with his surrounding objects (e.g. the monitor and the floor panel.) and Lady Deathstrike in the X-men 2 movie has the second power Darkrangerj 15:21, 17 September 2006
If they can't use the power in the comics, then the powers aren't comic book powers, and therefore can't be used. And Number two is the same as Wolverines claws, and thus natural weapons. (If they are used by deathstrike in the comics).Jacobshaven3 23:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, David Banner simply had the powers of Absorbing Man, but description 1 sounds like a different power. I wonder what to call Absorbing Man's power though, probably some form of mimicry. Dizzy D 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No Energy Constructs?

Last night, I added an "energy constructs" superpower to the list; by this morning, it had been reverted. Why? If it is because there was only one example character, this can be amended: while Green Lantern is the poster child of energy constructs, Songbird (from Marvel's Thunderbolts) can do essentially the same sort of thing, but using a pink "hard sound" instead of a green "hard light".

If it is because something else (Energy Manipulation?) is supposed to cover this, the relevant superpower should be clarified to indicate this. Dataweaver 15:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Arg, you're right. This is partly my fault. I was going to do a big reconstruction of the page, before I got wrapped up in other things. Energy manipulation, energy blasts/projection, and energy constructs should all be separate.--HKMarksCANDY IS A FOOD GROUPTALK♦CONTRIBS 23:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Redundant Powers

With the addition of the note about different types of energy under Energy Powers, five of the Kinesis abilities become largely redundant: Electrokinesis, Photokinesis, Radiokinesis, Sonokinesis, and Umbrakinesis. (A case might be made for keeping the last one, due to the tendency of shadow manipulators to be able to open portals into a dimension of darkness; but I'd be inclined to present that as a separate, albeit linked, superpower.) Dataweaver 15:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. You might want to read the archives for previous discussions about "umbrakinesis." CovenantD 20:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I understand about removing abilities which are similar to other abilities, but even if they aren't common powers, at least two characters have those abilities. so unless we are increasing the amount of required examples or changing the article to list of common comic book super powers, then they have a right to remain here. I understand keeping the list neat and tidy, but that shouldn't take prescident over the powers themselves. I understand if the powers can be merged together, but until we have new names for the kinesis abilities I don't see how we will be able to tell if thats possible. I Disagree to a striaght forward removal, for reasons just now stated. (I think Umbrakinesis should just have it's name changed to Darkforce Control, since the only Umbrakinetics all use the Darkforce. And I know that lowers the Photokinetics, but the two current examples aren't the only ones. Jacobshaven3 22:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC) P.S. sorry if this has gone on for a bit, I tend to do that.

Paperkinesis

Can we add "paperkinesis"? What else would describe the ability used by paper users in the manga/anime Read or Die?--Htmlism 21:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

No, this and a few other obscure powers will be covered soon. --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 21:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Even if it was to be added, Paper, is not greek. ven if neologisms were allowed this would be bastardised english, so I'm saying a big fat ugly nope. It should be added in a different form though, with the new list of abilities once they get created (though don't rush it HelenKmaks, your list looks great for the moment :) Jacobshaven3 00:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
This'll take the form of something like "Manipulation of specific kinds of matter" with the "elements" (earth, water, etc) below that, and then "Other" with random stuff like paper (RoD) or fabric (Skein (comics)).
Related to this is showing a range of abilities under each "category" -- like telekinesis that ranges from levitating small objects (Andros) to doing basically whatever the hell (Jean Grey). It may involve an adjustment of the "rules" for how many characters to list -- they should belong to a different publisher, but should also have a variation of the same ability and a short explanation of what they can do with it. --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 00:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)