Talk:List of closed railway stations in London
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[edit] Issues brought over at Archive 1
GENERAL
Add more data and check it ("them" if you like).
"Replaced by" = Opened when listed station closed, or built later on same or nearby site on same track, not just a station down the road. "+/-" means "nearby".
"Replaced by" for station becoming Tramlink stop has "Tramlink stop" linked to the stop's WP article.
"Railway reference" usually the founding company. TM&WR has no WP article but some links get to the Sutton and Wimbledon.
"Grid Reference" Six figure grid ref (eg TQ320795) is neater than lat & long.
Co. name abbreviations have &s for "and"s whether officially used or not.
DEVONSHIRE STREET/GLOBE ROAD
The station at Devonshire Street was temporary until the terminus was completed. So it was put together in the 1860s. Globe Road railway station was opened in 1884, so it and Devonshire Street station, if ever called that, and wherever it was (no East London street now has the name) were not the same. One of many closed railway station details which need investigating.
KEW BRIDGE
If there was a second N&SWJR platform (wreckage might still be visible) it might not have been used since the short-lived service to Richmond via the Barnes curve in the 1860s.
OLD OAK LANE HALT
Was this a public station?.
Googling for Old Oak Lane Halt gives a picture claimed for its site with a single track (http://disused-rlys.fotopic.net/c883007.html). The lane itself is a road twisted into the tangle of lines at Willesden Jn.
SOUTHWARK PARK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:East_london_railway_1915.jpg given byPickle 23:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC) is a map but I had trouble reconciling the (relative) positions of Southwark Park Sta and South Bermondsey and also possible locations for Spa Road 1 and 2.
Getting really pernickety here but what is meant by "nearby" ? Bingham Road Halt/Station was built on an embankment which was removed and Addiscombe Tram Stop built on the levelled site. Is it the same location but 20ft lower or a different location as implied by the +/- ?--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- If I were at Twickenham Station (or on the bridge) I might say that the station used to be over there, and point west. At Addiscombe Tram Stop could I say that Bingham Road Halt was over here, and point up? Perhaps not as on Multimap Addiscombe Tramlink Stop is north of Bingham Road while Subterranea Britannica shows Bingham Road Halt south of Bingham Road. It's your neck of the woods, P o P, what is the evidence on the ground? The eye of Proximity the beholder.--SilasW (talk) 19:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- On that basis I have removed them. From personal recollection both station and tram stop were immediately to the south of Lower Addiscombe Road. The tram stop is just two coaches long and fits in between Lower Addiscombe Road and Bingham Road. The original station had its entrance in Lower Addiscombe Road but could take ten coach trains and hence extended well to the south of Bingham Road.--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bringing to WP standards
Sources are needed. Trying to get the list in shape made it clear that if a mid 20th century book says XXX then XXX is not necessarily true. An example: Denby Marshall and others say L&SWR opened Waterloo, yet the station was Waterloo Bridge for its first few decades. One source often quoted (www.subbrit.org.uk) has many stations but some of its grid values do not tally with street.co.uk's location-to-grid converter (one seemed 3km off), even allowing that a station is not a point, that location descriptions may be vague and that street maps have a lack of precision. Subbrit is valuable but it tends to have typos, "Too" for "To", repeated blocks of text, and the odd date with a digit wrong (that's not surprising given how many contributors it has). My aim is, once the article has most stations listed, to have a few sessions at the British Library and the National Archives .
[edit] Links
1) This article, as a List, is not like one say on The Somali Sparrow where a good reference book might allow an editor to write it at a session. This article says it is incomplete.
It is.
Unearthing closed stations leads one a merry dance. More and more pop up from WP itself and other online sources; sometimes there's just a hint that there were platforms somewhere, sometimes The Literature reveals something.
As a Work in Progress it is easier to make as many entries as possible, even incomplete ones, then seek for their missing details. It is easier too to name a link and let the red words be a flag that it needs to be written.
2) The link for station ABC is usually [[ABC railway station|ABC]]. Sometimes that hits a redirect to [[ABC station|ABC]], I'd prefer the station article to get renamed (ABC railway station) with reverse linking if needed (Station articles badly need to follow one format) A rare case is where a "simple" name for an article redirects to the full form and prevents the immediate use of the "simple" name for a newly discovered closed station: as "Willesden railway station" redirects to "Willesden Junction railway station" and so the short-lived real Willesden railway station is misdirected.--SilasW (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
