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[edit] Wikified?

Should these be wikified and have articles? Meelar 17:12, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well... it's fine to have articles on particular openings, for sure (we have, for example, Nimzo-Indian, Ruy Lopez and others), but my view is that it isn't a great idea (at least at this stage) to have an article on every ECO code. What the list needs, I think, is some organisation under larger headings - "B20-B99: Sicilian Defence", "C00-C19: French Defence" and that sort of thing - and those headings can link to articles about the openings. It also needs to explication - a note like "B44=Sicilian defense" is not particularly useful. It needs to say exactly what lines fall under B44. I may have a go at doing this myself over the next week or so. --Camembert

An afterthought: it might actually be best to have a simpler list, maybe just arranged alphabetically, here, and move the ECO classification to Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. In any case, a simple list without codes would be good, I think. The list as it stands looks pretty daunting. Anybody else have any thoughts? --Camembert

The full list is useful, but is too big to go into Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. A simpler (and wikified) list would be nice if we actually had articles on those openings, but currently most openings are discussed in chess opening, so I think the status quo is fine. -- Arvindn 07:32, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have done some restructuring of B70. The text "Sicilian, Dragon variation" links directly to the article Sicilian Defense, Dragon Variation. The "B70" links to B70 (chess opening), which redirects to the same page. This is a deviation from the style guideline, which states "A link going straight to the target is preferred over a link relying on a redirect." (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)) I don't see a better way, though. Sim man 20:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I figured it out. I'll put a short comment on "B70 (chess opening)" and then a link to the main article. Sim man 21:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] chessgames.com links

All the opening pages should have an external link to chessgames.com's Opening Explorer] on the appropiate openings page. 70.111.218.254 14:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King's Pawn Games

I'm a little confused about the classification of games beginning with e4. In the index, it says that C20-C99 is all Double King's Pawn games (1.e4 e5), but in the long list, C20 is given as the King's pawn game (1. e4). Since there are numerous classification codes for 1. e4 that exist outside the C20-c99 range, it seems like C20 should probably be a straight Double King's Pawn game, with the appropriate moves and link. This is especially the case becaue B00 is listed as a simple King's Pawn game.

The C20 openings aare all double king pawn openings, 1. e4 e5. The B00 openings are 1. e4 but not 1... e5, a KP opening, but not a double KP opening. Bubba73 (talk), 00:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I revised B00. The best way to think of it is that C20 contains double KP openings not covered elsewhere and then B00 contains KP games not covered elsewhere. Bubba73 (talk), 01:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] indenting?

What do you think about indenting codes that don't end in a zero, since that is the way they are organized in the book. For example:

  • A11 English, Caro-Kann defensive system
  • A12 English, Caro-Kann defensive system
  • A13 English Opening
  • A14 English, Neo-Catalan declined
  • A15 English, 1...Nf6 (Anglo-Indian defence)
  • A16 English Opening
  • A17 English Opening, Hedgehog Defence
  • A18 English, Mikenas-Carls variation
  • A19 English, Mikenas-Carls, Sicilian variation
  • A20 English Opening

and

  • B81 Sicilian, Scheveningen, Keres attack
  • B82 Sicilian, Scheveningen, 6.f4
  • B83 Sicilian, Scheveningen, 6.Be2
  • B84 Sicilian, Scheveningen (Paulsen), Classical variation
  • B85 Sicilian, Scheveningen, Classical variation with ...Qc7 and ...Nc6

etc. And maybe the redundant uses of "English", "Sicilian, Dragon" and "Sicilian Scheveningen" can be eliminated too, since it is clear from the structure. Bubba73 (talk), 00:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ECO from Caro-Kann

The Encyclopaedia of Chess Openings has ten codes for the Caro-Kann Defence, B10 through B19:

B10 Hillbilly Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Bc4
B10 Modern; English Variation, Accelerated Panov; Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.c4
B10 Breyer Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d3
B10 Stein Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 g6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 e5 6.Ngf3 Ne7 7.O-O O-O 8.b4
B10 Massachussets Defense, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 f5
B10 Masi Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 Nf6
B10 Scorpion-Horus Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d3 dxe4 4.Bg5
B10 Goldman Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Qf3
B10 Two Knights Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3

B11 Two Knights Attack, Caro Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3
B11 Mindeno Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4
B11 Retreat Line, Mindeno Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 Bg4 4.h3 Bh5

B12 Landau Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 6.e6
B12 Mieses Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Be3
B12 Diemer-Duhm Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.c4
B12 Advance Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5
B12 Prins Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.b4
B12 Bayonet Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.g4
B12 Tal Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.h4
B12 Van der Wiel Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3
B12 Dreyev Defense, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 Qb6
B12 Bronstein Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Ne2
B12 Short Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nf3
B12 Botvinnik-Carls Defense, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5
B12 Maroczy Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3
B12 Fantasy; Lilienfisch Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3
B12 Maroczy Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3 dxe4 4.fxe4 e5 5.Nf3 exd4 6.Bc4
B12 Modern Variation, Caro-Kann-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2
B12 New Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 g6
B12 Edinburgh Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Qb6
B12 Ulysses Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5
B12 De Bruycker Defense, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 Na6
B12 Hector Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5

B13 Rubinstein Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd3 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.c3 Nf6 6.Bf4
B13 Panov-Botvinnik, Gunderam Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4

B14 Carlsbad Line, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bg5 e6
B14 Czerniak Line, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bg5 Qa5
B14 Reifir-Spielmann Line, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Bg5 Qb6

B15 Gurgenidze Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 b5
B15 Von Hennig Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Bc4
B15 Milner-Barry Gambit, Rasa-Studier Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3
B15 Knight Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6
B15 Tarrasch (Alekhine) Gambit, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Bd3
B15 Tartakower Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ exf6
B15 Forgacs Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ exf6 6.Bc4
B15 Gurgenidze System, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 g6
B15 Gurgenidze Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 g6 4.e5 Bg7 5.f4 h5
B15 Campomanes Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6

B16 Finnish Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 h6
B16 Nimzovich; Bronstein-Larsen, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ gxf6

B17 Karpov Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7
B17 Smyslov Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.Qe2 Nb6
B17 Tiviakov-Fischer Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Nxf6+ Nxf6
B17 Kasparov Attack, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Nf3 Ngf6 6.Ng3
B17 Ivanchuk Defense, Caro Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Ng5 Ndf6

B18 Classical Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5
B18 Flohr Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.Nh3

B19 Seirawan Variation, Caro-Kann 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.h4 h6
7.Nf3 Nd7 8.e5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bxd3 10.Qxd3