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Damn. This page needs a hell of a reorganisation. I'm unsure how to go about it. If this page simply includes information on every character it's going to get very, very long. If I do it like that, i'll just shift all the stuff on the Endless page over here. Otherwise, i'll have to create individual pages for each character and link to each from here, maybe in the format "Character Name (Sandman)". Comments anybody? If I don't get any comments in the next hour or so I guess i'll just go ahead with one of those two plans. --AW


I suppose it depends on how much there is to say. Some minor characters could just get a pargraph or so here. They can always be promoted to their own page later on should the need arise. -- Tarquin

Good idea. The characters currently listed are a completely random sampling, there's literally hundreds of the blighters. I'll do stuff for those currently listed first, then start adding others by reading through the books. We'll see if my categorisations hold up, too. Sundry is such a *useful* word...:) --AW


Just a thought, but, until someone gets round to writing Sandman-specific entries for the gods, faeries and other mythical beings, would it be an idea to have the links point to the mythological entries? At least it gives the basic info. Daibhid C


What category do you think Sandman-mythos Orpheus would fit under? --Pentasyllabic 20:45, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Wanda

I'm removing the reference to Wanda as a "shemale". I'd like to remind all of you that "shemale" is in fact a rather derogatory term for mtf transexuals and about as appropriate in a Wikipedia article as calling Alex Burgess and Paul McGuire a pair of fags. -Grenye

I see that someone undid that last edit of mine. I've done it again. Let's go over this again: "shemale" = very offensive term. Totally inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. I don't know why on Earth it was added back in, but doing so was absolutely and totally wrong, and lowers the tone of the article as a whole. -Grenye

[edit] Extremely minor incidental characters

I'm putting the bios on especially minor characters (i.e. those who only appeared for one issue and had minimal affect on the overall Sandman storyline) here for now. I like some of the bios for them that've been written, but it looks unprofessional and disorganized to have only a random sampling of these minor characters in the characterlist, most of them from the first three issues. I think we should keep them here, if anywhere, and anyone who believes it's worthwhile to have such a list (I'll gladly pitch in, if there's any support for the idea) can simply expand it here on the Discussion page, and if enough people do that and it grows large enough it can be moved back to the article page. Also, if anyone disagrees with any of the characters being listed here and thinks they're important enough to merit being put on the main page, just say so (or move them yourself). Likewise, say something if you consider any of the characters currently on the article page to be too minor.

  • Daniel Bustamonte: A victim of the 'sleepy sickness' that results from Dream's capture. He falls asleep in 1926, then wakes up sometime before 1955, staying awake much of the time but unable to speak. He recovers fully on September 14, 1988 when Dream escapes.
  • Francis "Chas" Chandler: a cab driver and friend of Constantine's who drives him and Dream to Rachel's father's house so that Dream can retrieve his pouch. Chas takes his nickname from Jimi Hendrix's manager, and is a recurring character in the comic Hellblazer.
  • Compton - Roderick Burgess' butler.
  • Nurse Edwards: The caretaker of Alex Burgess at the time he is put under Dream's curse.
  • Ernie and Frederick: Two of the men guarding Dream when he escapes from his imprisonment.
  • Doctor "Piggy" Huntoon: A Doctor in Arkham Asylum and former schoolmate of Constantine's. He used to perform electro-shock therapy on Constantine, back when he was institutionalised.
  • Leigh: A man who works in "Easy Diner," an American-style diner in London.
  • Ellie Marsten: A victim of the 'sleepy sickness' that occurs during Dream's capture. She sleeps continuously for decades, awaking only four or five times a year, and recovers on September 14, 1988 when Morpheus escapes.
  • Stefan Wasserman: A victim of the 'sleepy sickness' that results from Dream's capture. Commits suicide in 1918 at age 16 because he cannot sleep.
I moved these characters back to the main page because the new format supports listing minor characters a lot better, methinks. -Silence 16:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Many articles vs. one article

I've been thinking for a while about the pros and cons of having a lot of the individual characters in Sandman get their own page vs. giving only a handful of characters ones and just storing all the info on this page. Looking at most other character pages on Wikipedia, like Ranma 1/2 Characters, shows that the trend is toward only giving the most important characters articles, i.e. not ones like Bast (DC Comics) and Unity Kinkaid. Though where, exactly, to draw the line has also been troubling me.. Is Rose Walker important enough? Alex Burgess? The Corinthian? Despair? Eve? Hm.

At the very least, I've decided that it couldn't hurt to make a version of Characters in The Sandman which uses this idea, incorporating all the character data from all the individual characters with their own pages on the one page, except some of the info from the chars who will still presumably need to have their own pages (like The Endless and Lucifer). This version of the page would give each character his own ==section==, so they can easily be navigated from a table of contents at the top, and it would be easier to have much more info on each character. It would also require deleting (or shortening, in the case of articles like Mazikeen) the off-this-page info on the characters who don't merit their own articles, keeping it all on the one page. It wouldn't be hard to create such a page, so I've been planning to edit Characters in the Sandman into this style of page so that the two versions can easily be compared before we decide on one, and I still probably will do this in the next couple of days.

However, I finally came up with a reason why having individual articles might be preferrable to having a single article! That reason is: categories. It's surely much easier to categorize, say, Lucien into "Fictional librarians," when he has his own page rather than just a section. There are a lot of useful categories out there, and many Sandman characters which would fit very well into them if they had their own articles. And, of course, we have "Category:Sandman characters"...

So now, with that recent revelation, I'm no longer in favor of eliminating a lot of the individual character pages as clean-up; I'm more neutral on the matter, until someone thinks of a suitable way to both categorize the characters and not give them unique article pages, or otherwise convinces me. Mu. Well, anyway, anyone have anything to say on this problem? I definitely think the ==section== idea is a useful one, but whether or not to cut down on the individual articles..... -Silence 04:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

The new page setup looks... different. It's much longer, for one thing, almost to the point of seeming cluttered, since every character now has an entry in the table of contents. On the other hand, it does make it much easier to find a certain character. On the Characters of Naruto page which I also watch, things have developed such that major characters get their own character pages; which is somewhat similar to the pre-edit page. One thing I think definitely needs to go is the "Before/In/After the Sandman" categories. The Endless IMHO definitely deserve a section of their own, being as major as they are.
Just skimming over the page, some characters that might deserve their own pages include Cain and Abel, the Corinthian, Alex Burgess, Rose Walker (and maybe Thessaly, Robert Burgess, Lucien, Matthew, Mervyn, The Three, Nuala, Unity Kinkaid, for being supporting characters, or just having lengthy entries.) --Pentasyllabic 03:42, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it's very large, but I've noticed that almost all detailed character pages on Wikipedia are; very few use individual pages for any but the most important characters. I very much disagree with you on "which is somewhat similar to the pre-edit page"; if anything, the opposite is true, and the current page is vastly more like Characters of Naruto than the previous page was. Characters of Naruto is currently quite similar like this page, only we also provide a small amount of info on the major characters so people who perhaps don't know a character's name or whatever can see a little info before visiting the specific page; just a paragraph of two, perhaps. I currently have as "also with their own articles" characters the 7 Endless, Daniel, Lucifer, and Hob Gadling (due to size), though I'm considering either not giving Gadling his own page or giving some of the other bigger sections their own pages (like Rose Walker and Cain and Abel).
The "Before / In / After" subsections were an experiment of mine, to try to find a consistent and useful way to incorporate information from Sandman spinoffs on the page without making it 'too dangerously spoilerful for people who have only read the original Sandman comic. I think the solution is effective (and will become even more so as I start adding lots of information from my near-complete collections of Lucifer and the Dreaming to this page, with added info for almost every character ever in the Sandman), but I definitely agree that it's not elegant; what about the idea of having bolded and/or underlined and/or larger-font headings in place of actual categories, just to keep the table of contents from being too cluttered? Or do you think we should just scrap the subsectioning altogether, even though it's definitely a boon to some of the longer characters? (Though you may want those to be given their own page anyway, so...)
On the Endless having their own section - I'd definitely give them their own section... if they didn't also have their own page, which they do now: The Endless. Considering that the Endless page is itself a summary and organization page for the seven individual Endless pages, the Endless section on Characters in The Sandman is actually a summary OF a summary, hence its shortness and its not being given its own category. Plus I was having a lot of trouble trying to categorize some of the characters (The Basanos, The Creator, The Three, etc.) because of their not quite being "gods" in the typical sense, but certainly being enormously powerful, sentient representations of some universal concept or something like that. Broadening the "gods" category to include the Endless too killed three birds with one stone: first, it helped make the Endless a subsection so we don't have to give the individual Endless sections when they already all have their own pages and expanded info on the "The Endless" page; second, it gave us a place to easily put unique creatures like the Basanos without having to do something obnoxious like make a whole new category for "Other" or something; and third, it helped add much-needed content to the "Gods and demigods" section, which previously had only a couple of characters, and none with much information provided for them! I think things are much more balanced this way.
Thanks for the input on which characters might merit their own pages, by the way. I disagree with some of them, especially Alex and Roderick Burgess and Unity Kinkaid, because I don't think they should be given their own articles solely because someone's gone to the trouble of adding so much information for them; it should be the opposite, with us adding more info for characters based on how important they are! The fact that it's not already that way shows that something's gone wrong with our priorities, and we shouldn't encourage more of it by giving characters like Unity distinct pages.
Hmmmm. What do you think of the possibility of a vote on which chars should have articles? Or maybe that's too much for such a rarely-visited page, maybe just handle it on a case-by-case basis... -Silence 16:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

So I've added some info to the main article on the Corinthian and indicated where more needs to be said; I've also added a somewhat hamfisted reference to The Corinthian's main page, which might as well not exist as far as this page is concerned.

I don't really have the energy to follow the discussion here of who gets what where (my own preference would be short summaries here for everyone, with links to character pages when necessary) so I guess I'll leave it to you guys to reconcile the two in whatever way you've decided. --Our Bold Hero 06:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] What does "The Sandman" encompass?

Just the original series, or spin-off series as well? I ask because characters not from The Sandman, but from spin-off series like Lucifer (like the Basanos), don't have any good place to go except here, and they're certainly in the same universe and storyline, but they aren't from the same series per se, and they're not Gaiman creations, so... Do spinoff characters like Seth (Cain and Abel's brother) go here too?

There's also the problem of including not only new characters, but also new information on old characters from the Sandman, on this page. This is a problem because many devout Sandman fans have not read most of the spin-off series, like the Dreaming and Books of Magic and Lucifer... We would, of course, have to make sure to note at the top of the page that spin-off series detailed are also spoiled on this page, but even so it would be an inconvenience to most people. Personally, I would like to put all the spinoff information here because it's so much easier to centralize everything related to Sandman characters here. However, I'm not sure how many people would be upset by requiring them to have read so many things outside of the Sandman to not have important plot details spoiled...

What do y'all think? I'll gladly do the work of adding the characters if you don't think it's a significant problem, but first I want to see whether there is one -- and whether you think those chars would go better elsewhere, like their individual series pages, even if those pages are so minor that there's barely anything there anyway... (e.g. The Dreaming). -Silence 04:05, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Endless

I still need some opinions on the last three sections I made, arrrgh.. But more issues keep coming up! So, another question: Is this page's section on "The Endless" long enough yet to merit its own page? Or close to it? If you think so, tell me here, and if you don't think so, tell me here too. We can have a nice little chat about it. I've also been considering for a while what image to use for the Endless section/page, and also images to help spice up the other character pages and this one.

Also, if we do move "The Endless" to its own page, what should we leave on this page regarding the Endless? Presumably we should still have some sort of thing on this page, perhaps with a Main article: The Endless bit here, but what else? A shortened description of them? Should we stll provide links to the 7 Endless, though "The Endless" page will too? Hn. Hey, maybe we could even move all the current Endless pages to "The Endless" (except for Dream's and Death's because they're so noteworthy in their own right, but they could have their own shortened articles on the page with a Main article: X bit) as sections, to help centralize things... ... or maybe not.

Another thing: What do you all think of the idea of an {{endless}} template (if we don't entirely centralize the individual pages on The Endless, of course) to put on each Endless' page? With a list of links to all 7 of them. (Though I'm not sure how we should handle Daniel Hall (comics), if we do that... Any ideas?)

I bring this up because I plan to work on the Endless pages s'more soon, and want some idea of what y'all think first.. I noticed someone recently put up some Gaiman quotes on the 7 Endless in some of their pages, but unfortunately didn't note that they were quotes, treating them as just part of the normal description text. Plagiarism is no good, nope nope. (Plus the descriptions aren't encyclopedic, they're too poetic; people will be confused and troubled.) But the information is useful, so we can move them into clearly-labeled quotes and fix that, along with the other improvements we can make... -Silence 14:37, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Just a thought. Dream was not succeeded by Daniel. Dream was still Dream but MORPHEUS was succeeded by Daniel. At least that's how I got it. It's just another aspect, like a facet of the jewel, but the jewel is still the jewel. Morpheus was one facet and Daniel is another. Thoughts? Mikegloady 09:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Renaming article

Current article name seems to be a bit nonstandard, and I want to be sure we're sticking with the name before I start renaming hundreds of pages to redirect here (which I will proceed to do shortly). I considered renaming the page to something like "Characters in The Sandman universe" to make it clearer that the page will include characters not from the actual series but from spin-off series, but that seems too cumbersome, and perhaps unnecessary as long as we make it clear in the initial paragraph...

I do, however, think changing the name to something might be a good idea. I considered "Sandman Characters" just for the beautiful simplicity, but now I'm in favor of something like "Characters of The Sandman" purely because that seems to be the most standard and commonly-used name for character pages.

I'm also going to eliminate Category:Sandman Characters, and I think replace it with a new category for all Sandman-related articles (like all the Sandman collection pages). What should the new category be called? Does Category:Sandman work, or is that too general and possible to be used by other things? The name of the category's not as big of a deal as the name of the article, though, since it's much easier to change later. -Silence 16:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Going by what UserDropDeadGorgias has told me in the past, I believe the standard name would be List of characters in The Sandman. Toffile 23:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
That's certainly the standard for lists in the classic sense: just a long list of character names with very brief descriptions. However, this is not the standard for character lists of this type, ones that go into more detail and have the characters in subsections. Compare Characters of Six Feet Under or Characters of Naruto or Characters of Sluggy Freelance with List of Metroid characters or List of James Bond villains or List of Avengers members and you should see what I mean.
Fair enough. I'll go start changing the links. Toffile 01:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
We're down to about 5 links, 2 coming from archives, 2 from User Talk pages, and 1 from a test page, that I might speedy.Toffile 04:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] To-do list

Sorry if some of my above posts have been to wordy. I do that sometimes. To summarize, here's my current plan, so anyone can object to any (or every) aspect of it they want to:

  • 2. Change the following character pages to Redirect pages (the Redirect page can be categorized where the page was in a significant category) going to Characters of the Sandman, where all their info will be stored (articles I'm still considering not deleting are marked with a ~, and feel free to argue for keeping any of them you want):
  • 4. Fix all double-redirects and poor links going to all the pages I just altered, using the magical page called "What links here".
  • 5. Start improving and expanding all the character info and the issue summaries in the Sandman collection pages, adding info from spin-off series and giving more info from the Sandman series. -Silence 18:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


1. Sounds good, although some of these characters have had histories (most admittedly minor, but still.) outside of the Sandman and spinoffs, and it is arguable as to whether they deserve their own pages. AFAIK you've marked all the ones that have past histories, though.
Might it be good to separate some characters into a cameo category? That would take care of Constantine, J'onn J'onzz, Mr. Miracle, Dr. Destiny, Elemento Girl, and Prez. (As well as the Family Man, who was the serial killer who never showed...he appeared in a few Hellblazer issues, and was killed by Constantine.) Cameo might not be the right word, but "Mainstream DC characters..." might be better. Toffile 23:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't see a "cameo" section as being necessary. It's easier to just categorize them as we would any other character and link to their main articles, especially since many Sandman characters come from pre-existing comics and so the line between "cameo" and "character between" is purely a matter of regularity (and we already have a measure for distinguishing that; cameos will go in the "Minor character" sections). -Silence 01:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
2. (side note: is it standard to have redirect pages in categories?) This one I'm still ambivalent about, but I'm leaning towards separate pages for "major characters". Of course, what constitutes a "major character" is another issue entirely, e.g. Roderick Burgess, who had a very important role plot-wise as his capture influenced the plot for quite a few volumes, but his appearance didn't even last through one issue.
I asked several people about categorizing Redirect pages, and the answers I got were varied (though no one seemed to have a real problem with it), but it's certain that there are no better options for categorizing characters who would be valuable in certain categories but might not merit a unique page. There's no MediaWiki option for categorizing a single section of a page, after all. And, yes, we agree entirely that major characters deserve their own pages, and the sole problem will be coming to a consensus on which characters should be main characters. Again, do you think a vote would be appropriate, for all the debatable characters? -Silence 01:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
3. Category:Sandman is a lot better than Category:Sandman characters, and it also solves the problem of categorizing the Sandman volumes pages. If needed, Cat:Sandman characters can always be made a subcategory.
OK. Category:Sandman it is. Silence 01:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
4. After all is said and agreed upon, if you need help with this just let me know.
5. If you give characters appearing in spinoffs their own pages, some way to distinguish between their bios in different comics series would be very helpful. I can't help you here since I've only read the actual Sandman series.
Well, I tried that, but you didn't like my "Before/In/After Sandman" subcategorizations... -Silence 01:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
The categories are fine, it's just that I think it looks cluttered as part of the table of contents; even you agreed with that. --Pentasyllabic 05:34, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
6. I propose that Remiel (whose page seems to exist solely because of his Sandman appearance) and Duma (DC Comics (whose page actually has non-Sandman info, but little info concerning his Sandman appearance because he doesn't speak or even act very much) be merged into Remiel and Duma (DC Comics), since they're always seen together anyway, and leaving the religious information at Remiel and Duma (angel), or something (Duma is occupied by various Russian parliaments). Possibly do the same to Mazikeen, but currently there's not enough info on the outside-Sandman Mazikeen to justify it.
--Pentasyllabic 23:37, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
Remiel, Dumah, and Mazikeen are all significant and ancient mythological figures, and merit their own pages even if the Sandman characters are disregarded entirely. I'd possibly agree with making a Remiel and Duma (comics) (not DC Comics, only include publisher if there's a possibility of it being confused with another publisher's Remiel and Duma character duo) if I agreed with you that they are especially significant characters. They appear in only a handful of issues of Sandman and Lucifer; I would say they're no more significant than Sandman's Odin. As such, there's no need for any unique pages on them now that Characters in The Sandman (which I'll move now) has the space to store their info. -Silence 01:35, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
The problem with Sandman is that it's so long and so well-written that a lot of characters were "major" at some point or another. Should it be determined by general importance and/or number of appearances, or actions influential to the overarching plot (or issue-specific plots, which would increase the number dramatically) or a vote, or something else entirely?
Another thing that could be done (and I'll certainly help, if it is done) is to divide up this page by Sandman volume, and enter characters under their first appearance, and continue through all their appearances. Never mind, stupid idea and too hard to organize.
My tentative list of major characters so far:
  • Cain and Abel
  • the Corinthian
  • Lucien
  • Matthew
  • Mervyn (?) - if only for the comic relief role that he plays (not on your list)
  • The seven Endless, and The Endless (already covered)
  • The Three - they appear in numerous issues in many forms.
  • Lucifer (already done, he is the star of his own Lucifer)
  • Mazikeen - she seems to be more significant in Lucifer than in Sandman, but first appeared in Sandman
  • Hob Gadling (already done)
  • (various Mortals who have their own pages for other series) - already done
  • Rose Walker
  • Nada (?) - possibly by association with the protagonist of the series
  • (Jed Walker was on your list)
  • the numerous characters whose single action turned out to be pivotal to the plot, but probably don't merit a separate page otherwise? (Roderick Burgess, Loki, Thessaly, Nuala, etc.)
--Pentasyllabic 05:34, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
I would disagree on Mazikeen. While she *is* a major player in Lucifer, she's not a major player in Sandman. Jed, maybe. He's more of a minor character that's shoved in between two main ones. (Rose and Silver Age Sandman).
As for Cain, Abel, Matthew, Cornithian, and Lucien, it might be better to list them in the sublist "Major characters of the Dreaming". They are fairly major chracters, and Merwyn did have his own One-Shot...Toffile 01:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Oh and I just noticed the Basanos on your redirect/merge list. It would be better if they were on a Lucifer characters page. The basanos never showed up during The Sandman itself, so it would be a bit misleading putting them on this list. Though that does leave a good idea in the future. I'd need to check, but if there isn't a list of characters for Lucifer, that could be compiled or modified. Toffile 04:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I've corrected a few minor mistakes here. Jack Holdaway was not married, he was involved in a homosexual relationship -- this is shown in a newspaper headline read by Burgess' nurse in "The Kindly Ones." I've also added a bit about how Jack killed himself (again, the newspaper and Paul and Alex's conversation about Jack's funeral in "The Wake"). Rose Walker's heart that she gives to Unity Kincaid was red, not green. Minor stuff, I guess, but still, every bit of accuracy counts, right? Myrrander 05:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Does this need a citation: Gaiman's Cain is an aggressive, overbearing character. He is a thin, long-limbed man with an angular, drawn face, glasses, a tufty beard, and hair drawn into two points above his ears. He has been described as sounding "just like Vincent Price." ---- in the CAIN AND ABLE portion Plumlogan (talk) 21:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It probably should. I believe it is in issue #40 that Matthew says this. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 15:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hazel and Wanda

I've put in a very brief section about Hazel, Foxglove's girlfriend, because (1) the section about Foxglove has a link to Characters_of_The_Sandman#Hazel and (2) I've just edited Death: The Time of Your Life to link to this article (instead of to Foxglove and Hazel, BTW!). On the other hand, she's not a major character. Is referential integrity a good enough reason to list her here? (Warning: If someone does delete my addition, be sure to delink the references to Characters_of_The_Sandman#Hazel.)

Another character from A Game of You probably should appear in this list: Wanda. I'm going to wimp out of writing anything about her.

—Chris Chittleborough 14:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

"Is referential integrity a good enough reason to list her here?" - No, because you could simply remove the link if you wanted. But in this case, despite being a relatively minor character, Hazel is major enough (especially if we consider that Death miniseries she also appeared in) for listing here. She's certainly more significant than many of the other characters listed here. Also, I agree regarding Wanda (the "probably should appear" part, not the "wimp out" part). -Silence 14:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Brokenyin (talk • contribs) has added a description of Wanda under Characters_of_The_Sandman#Minor_mortals. Good stuff. Cheers, Chris Chittleborough 15:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Updating

I'm getting rid of that "Either that or he has a brother" line in Corinthian, it really bugs me and makes no sense, 'sides gotta do some time checking but it seems possible that was during the period he turning Corinthian mortal. Also changing the Eve thing to be more more similar to the Eve article, namely that a Raven always hangs out with her, not just Matthew. Highlandlord 18:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Might have to add Eblis O'Shaugnessy when I get a chance too. Highlandlord 19:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lucien's Fourth Appearance?

In Tales of Ghost Castle #3, the letters page announcing the cancellation (due to the editor going back to being an inker) stated that Lucien would be appearing in an issue of Secrets of Haunted House. Did this ever occur? --Scottandrewhutchins 18:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Superheroes

Since many critics like to claim that this series has nothing to do with superheroes, I included a list of superheroes that actually do appear that were not currently listed. I don't own copies, so I'll have to look again to really say anything about the J'onn J'onnz and Scott Free appearances in #7, aside from that they're in pajamas and robes because they're awakened in the middle of the night. --Scottandrewhutchins 16:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it true that Superman appears in a late issue of the series? I have read only the first fifty issues thus far, but I found a reference to that on the web, possibily even on a related Wikipedia entry. --Scottandrewhutchins 14:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


It is peripherally true that Clark Kent (I don't make a distinction between him and Superman, but some might, so the distinction is there) appears in Sandman, he plays a very, very, very minor role, and if you read over a panel or two, you would miss him. A brief check shows him appearing next to Batman and the Martian Manhunter in the 22nd page of Sandman No. 71 (Contained in Volume 10, The Wake, somewhere around the 45-50 page mark.). I seem to also remember him appearing once more afterwards, entering the mausoleum, however I can not seem to find that.... Oneoverzero 12:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brute's Uncle Harry

I did not make this up. It is in #4 of the Fleischer-Kirby series. Since Brute and Glob don't have their own articles, the best place for that info is here. It's not a joke, because Sanford implies that he knows Uncle Harry by asking Brute to send greetings. Uncle Harry is presumably shown at the picnic, but not specifically identified. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 17:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Judge Gallows and the Witch of Dark Mansion

Is it possible that either of these appeared in the series, however brief? They would be the only DC horror hosts other than Madame Xanadu and Elvira to not appear in the series. I think the lack of Elvira is pretty obvious, and I assume Madame Xanadu is left out because of her strong connection with superheroes. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 22:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuala

I've removed this segment from Nuala's bio:

Indirectly as a result of Nuala's summoning Dream when he and the Dreaming are at their most vulnerable, the Dreaming has been badly damaged by The Furies. Death meets Morpheus (Dream) and chases The Furies away before sending/granting him his final wish; death. Dream claims he is tired after eons of duty and Death takes him into her arms, killing Morpheus. However, it is suggested that Morpheus could still have escaped his fate if he'd truly wished to. Many factors contributed to the situation ending as it did.

Although it is a momentous event in the story, it is irrelevant to her character and is a major spoiler that pops up unexpectedly. 72.214.251.20 (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)