Talk:List of characters in Bully/Archive 3

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Fighting Moves.

Shouldn't a description of how each cliques fighting style be added into their introductions. This is just an idea in my head but some people who don't play the game and read this article will probably sometimes wonder how each clique fighting style is. Like for example most of the Jocks who play football can nosedive into people like pumas and knock them down. The bullies will throw wild punches and kicks. Some of the preps will use a freestyle dancing Boxing style. The overweight nerds Fatty and Melvin can slap and them bump into their victims with their hips while Algernon will sometimes throw what i call rolling slaps because he is weak. If you in disagreement then thats cool enough but remember this is just an idea. Dan the man1983 05:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Or an easier solution is that a section called Fighting styles of Characters can be created on the article and all the styles can be listed there. Dan the man1983 05:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Lola edit and the person who does it.

I see that this keeps on getting added to Lola's information.

though Jimmy does so, he and Lola apparently had sex sometime most likely between the mission where Jimmy gets Lola's things from an old tenement building, and the rumble which is the final mission for the greaser chapter, it's in this mission Johhny comfronts Jimmy and says "You get it on with that harlet i love? i'm gonna destroy you", if they indeed had sex it was most likely done by both to spite Johnny, it is unknown what type of sex this would have been.

Why do you keep on adding this to her information ?? Dan the man1983 05:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

It's likely not true. When Johnny said what he said, it was probably out of paranoia, as he knew that Lola dated Gord and even accused Algernon of the same thing. He probably thought that others could have been involved with her, too. But as far as Jimmy and Lola having sex, it's unconfirmed and should not be added due to this reason.

I know it aint true thats why i put it here and asked why the person in question keeps on editing it into Lola's information on the article. Dan the man1983 16:26, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Couple things

This article is about characters in Bully. That's why I've on occasion deleted sections about characters who only appeared in the comic artwork, characters who appeared on the Early Bully Art site that didn't make it into the game, and speculation about the adult characters.

Basically, I think this article should be about the characters that are in the game, with the game being treated as more canonical when the game and website disagree. We need to come to some sort of consensus about what, if any, discussion about fighting should be in the article. This one isn't about gameplay, and Wiki's pretty strict about "no strategy guide articles" (I forget their official name for it). I'm thinking that something like Melvin and Fatty's butt-bump fighting move wouldn't be wiki-worthy, but maybe Juri's piledriver is since it's probably not a coincidence the russian wrestler was the student given the piledriver.

Also, about the Halloween costumes, we took those out ages ago because people kept stopping by and mucking up the Gary and Petey stuff with their speculative interpretations of the whole Petey wearing a pink bunny outfit. I haven't taken them out since someone went to the work to add them back in, but there was a reason they were taken out in the first place... maybe we'll leave them in, and if people making a mess of the article over it becomes a problem, we'll take it out again? McJeff 21:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me be the first to say that if anyone edits and tampers with the Halloween costumes in the article or makes some stupid speculation about them in the article then i will delete them from the article.
I put them back in because i think Halloween is a popular time of the game and since some students dress up for the ocassion in the game i added a small description to each student on what they wore.
Ok about the fighting styles and such, Well since the game itself is about a student going through school where fighting is a major factor and since each clique has a different style of fighting.
I just thought a small list at the bottom of the article explaining how each clique fights and how their styles differ would be encylopedic enough for people who haven't played the game to read.
If you don't feel thats encyclopedic enough then thats cool and i can agree with that straight away.
Also one last thing or maybe its me but if you look at Juri's piledriver move it looks more like a Michinoku Driver which is a sitdown slam more then a Piledriver. Dan the man1983 22:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah that might be cool. The bullies really don't know how to fight and just kinda flail their fists, the preppies are all boxers, the nerds mainly slap, the greasers do street brawling kinda stuff, the jocks use football tackles and I dunno exactly what to say about the townies fighting style since it's both the most damaging and least realistic in the game.
I haven't payed that close attention to Juri's piledriver, so I dunno if it's a Michinoku Driver or not, but since a non pro wrestling fan wouldn't know what the hell a Michinoku Driver is, and it is a kind of driver, I think it should just stay as "piledriver". Didn't realize you were a wrestling fan - I am/was/kinda still am. McJeff 03:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah ive always been a Wrestling fan and your right that a non wrestling fan would not know what a sitdown slam or a Michinoku Driver was.
Anyways ive noticed that the Preps have 2 different styles of Boxing. Being a Boxing fan myself i noticed that some of them like Bif uses a style that resembles a dancing style of Boxing where he would make his opponent miss. Where as some of them like Chad will stand toe to toe and trade punches. Some of them even throw body punches.
The Nerds throw weak punches mainly. I notice a few of them like Algernon will throw a desperation of rolling slaps in hopes of hurting his opponent which shows they cannot fight to save their own skin.
I think Pedro and Sheldon cause more damage then any Nerd does.
The Townies to me look like they have a rough style in hope of pounding you down to the ground and hurting someone bad at the same time. They will use a double ax handle smash to the back.
Id say the Townies style was the most damaging by clique but by person id say Russell and Bif were the most damaging people in the game. Dan the man1983 06:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
The main thing I've noticed about Bif, and Derby too, is that their punch combos go on longer than the other preppies, and they're more likely to do that jump back out of range so your punch misses move. Melvin and Fatty both have that slap, shoulder barge, belly bounce combo. Ray only fights by pushing, he doesn't punch at all. Chad does this short overhead punch that goes through Jimmy's guard and knocks him down. Johnny Vincent has a crapload of unique moves, and I think Ted has some too - it's hard to tell because you never get to fistfight with him except during the last mission, and Russell kicks the crap out of him for you. Russel has the powerbomb and I keep hearing rumors that he has a boston crab, but I've never seen it. Other than that he can't fight any better than the other bullies, but his attacks do a lot of damage because he's so big.
Oh yeah and I looked at Juri's move, I think it's a scoop piledriver/inverted piledriver, but "piledriver" is good enough, especially since it links ot a page where all the piledrivers are discussed. McJeff 18:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Russell will use a Boston Crab but he will only use it during the fight with Jimmy in the hole.

I dunno if you noticed something about Russell, But during the last mission where he helps Jimmy beat up the clique members he seems weaker then he usually is.

Ive seen Damon nearly take him out during that mission and in a normall fight Russell batters him easily even when 2 or 3 Jocks will get involved.
I think that has something to do with Russell smashing into to the barrels at the Townies Power Plant with a Police Motorcycle which probably made him a little weaker.

Russell aint got a good style of fighting true but his size and strength makes him very tough indeed and in 1 on 1 situations i think only Bif is a handfull for him and even he gets battered.

Speaking of the Bullies i see all of them will sometimes grab someone and throw a sickening punch to the stomach.
I don't think Ted is that tough at all which is why Damon probably goes around saying he would be a better leader then Ted since he is tougher.
Then again i think Bif is tougher then his clique leader Derby so maybe smarts make Ted and Derby leaders. Dan the man1983 03:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

One more thing i will add about Russell, But this aint about fighting as such but near enough is that :::::he is the only Bully who will insult a Prep,Greaser and Jock. Ive seen him do this to Gord,Hal,Bif and Dan the Jock.

Funny thing is that they all got scared when he did this and Dan even ran away.
So maybe it can be added in his information that he is the only Bully who bullies the other clique member of the school. Dan the man1983 03:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I like that idea. I think it's noteworthy.

BTW ive have added the style that Bo and Casey use when fighting. Unlike all the other jocks these 2 don't use football tackles to take an opponent down, Instead these 2 fight like they have a Boxing background and have a fast 3 or 4 punching combination in their arsenal. 86.150.19.143 21:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC) <- (Dan the man1983)

The Jocks have 3 fighting styles, Damon,Kirby and Dan use the diving football tackles and use a combination of a jab,elbow and a left hook punch. Ive already stated in the article how Bo and Casey differ from the other jocks, Their takedown move is the same as Jimmy. Luis and Juri have a discuss punch in their arsenal and use wrestling moves and use the same takedown as Jimmy too. All jocks however will use the knee drop to the privates which Jimmy learns in the Gym class.

Now onto the Bullies, We all know how these guys fight, But if the Bully take down an opponent and hold him down long enough then they will do that nasty spitting on face move that Jimmy does. Russell did this to a Jock he was fighting when i hired him. Dan the man1983 11:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

A question about Jimmy...

Why does it say that Jimmy set his last schol on fire? Where in the game is this mentioned? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.245.242.56 (talk) 01:44:40, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Dosen't Dr Crabblesnitch say it at the start of the game when he has Jimmy in his office.
Also it is mentioned by one of the Nerds i think. Dan the man1983 02:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
In one of the first cutscenes, Crabblesnitch is reciting all of Jimmy's wrongdoings at his past school, and one of the ones he mentions is arson. I haven't heard the nerd smalltalk dialogue thing that says he committed arson, but there's so many dialogue lines I'm not surprised I missed it.McJeff 03:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I have heard the line "i heard that Jimmy Hopkins burnt down his last school" in game dialouge before but i dunno if its from a Nerd or a Non clique student. Dan the man1983 03:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't recall Crabblesnitch saying Jimmy committed arson. The only offenses were violence, vandalism, grafitti, and bad conduct toward teachers, or something like that. I don't think he said arson. I checked, and I didn't hear the word "arson." But if you said that another student said it, then I guess I'm wrong, and I apologize.

No Crabblesnitch dosen't mention arson in the list of Jimmy's wrongdoings at his past schools at the start of the game. You just hear it from the students, I dunno if its true though since one of the Nerds can heard saying that Jimmy killed someone with his bare hands, Then again its amazing some of the rumours that the students talk about in their small talk. Dan the man1983 15:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about Trent.

It says in his intro that although he is bisexual that he can be seen making out with girls. Now in all the time ive played the game the only Bullies ive seen make out with girls are Wade and Davis. Can anyone confirm if they have seen Trent make out with girls in the game cause if not i think that where it says he can be seen making out with them should be moved from his intro. Dan the man1983 05:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I've seen him do it repeatedly. Mainly with Angie and Christy. For the record I've also seen Cornelius make out with Beatrice once. 207.138.94.170 16:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC) (McJeff not logged in)

Well that don't suprise me because i see Angie and Christy kiss a lot of clique members and non clique students. Infact the only 2 non clique students i don't see kissing anyone is Ray and Eunice. I think its noteworthy enough that those two can be seen running around together holding hands sometimes due to the fact that no one else is interested in them so maybe it can be added in their info that the only person interested in them is each other. Dan the man1983 17:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Gordons Mask for Halloween?

Can anyone tell me what it is since i can't make out what he is wearing so i can add it to his information. Dan the man1983 09:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Message to all who edit here.

This is to save on edit wars and back and forth reverting. But if you wanna add new facts or edit the article in anyway then i think the best thing to do is list what we wanna add and discuss them here first before making any changes. In the past there has been back and forth editing on too many subjects. For example, In the past there was an edit over Donald's small height where me and McJeff reverted back and forth on the fact until i made a case about it on here and why it should stay and he checked it out and then the problem was solved. Dan the man1983 20:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Kirby's sexuality

There is no evidence in-game that Kirby is anything but homosexual. He is never seen making out with girls, nor is there any story-related evidence that he is bisexual. Stop reverting it, because I can't count how many times I've tried to change it to "closeted homosexual" and someone has changed it to "bisexual". 129.59.101.95 04:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

There is evidence in game, Kirby can be seen making out with girls like Mandy, Christy and Angie, It gets changed back to bisexual based on that alone. Yeah he went on a date with Trent, But the fact that he can be seen making out with girls with makes him bisexual and not homosexual. 86.150.19.143 05:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC) <- (Dan the man1983)

This is all original research. Reliable secondary sources should be used to provide character descriptions. Marasmusine 08:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Maybe I'm not clear on exactly what "original research" is. In fact to be honest, I generally disregard most claims of 'original research', because so many wikipedia editors use it as a buzz-phrase to cut parts of articles they don't like. By some definitions, saying "2+2=4" without a 'source' is original research, which it's not.
And this is a 2+2=4 case. In the game, people see Kirby make out with girls in addition to the date with Trent and willingness to kiss Jimmy. It's not open to interpretation. There's nothing to research.
And by the way, it's me that changes it to bisexual each and every time (except Dan got it this last time), and I will continue to do so. 207.138.94.170 14:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC) (McJeff not logged in)
The fact that there is a disagreement over it surely shows that it is not a 2+2=4 case. Please only print what has already been printed in reliable sources, per our WP:Verifiability policy. Marasmusine 18:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
No, it really isn't. It's just one person being obstreperous. "I didn't see it so it can't be true"... reminds me of the guy that argued that Maddox wasn't notable because HE'D never heard of him. McJeff 20:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok lets just say if i went to youtube and found a small clip of Kirby making out with a girl would that be counted as a reliable source? Dan the man1983 20:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the policy on youtube is. I've heard it argued that posting screen shots and gameplay videos is a copyright violation, but I'm not familiar with the laws and rules. Still, it should be enough to silence 129.59 at the very least. McJeff 20:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I was only gonna post a link to a small clip in here first to show proof, Anyways i couldn't see any clips of Kirby making out with girls. I'll check some screenshots later on though. All 129.59 has to do is play the game and hang around the football field or girls dorm at night and he will see what we talking about, cause Kirby does make out with girls. Dan the man1983 21:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No need for a clip, you can state factually what happens in the game (as the primary source). Just be careful about derived information that doesn't come from a secondary source (in this case, the character's sexuality.) I would also invite contributors to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), which is important when writing about fictional characters. Marasmusine 21:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally i think if any student is homosexual in the game then its Cornelius since i have never seen him make out with a girl in the game. Dan the man1983 14:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Character Sheets mission confession by Troy.

I dunno if anyone has heard this but during this mission where you collect the Character sheets for Melvin from the Bullies, There is a confrontation between Troy who is taunting Bucky with the character sheets next to the boys dorm. Bucky will ask him "why do you have to be so mean", Troy will reply "because its incredibly amusing". Now shouldn't it be added to Troy's info that the reason why he bullies people is because it asmuses him? I just wanted to ask opinions first before changing or adding anything. Dan the man1983 07:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No, don't get involved in original research. If you can find a reliable source that points this out, the put it in and cite it. Marasmusine 11:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Question about citing things

I've seen a few video game articles (most notably Final Fantasy 7) where in-game dialogue is used as citation material. Is there a page anywhere on Wikipedia that has a description on how to do that more efficiently? Seems to me that some dialogue citations would be a good way to put an end to a lot of the revert arguments. McJeff 01:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You can embed quotes in the body of the text with Template:Quote, or you can use a footnote (see Wikipedia:Citing sources). Basically: <ref>Character: "Such and such and such."</ref>. Again, be careful what you infer from the game material, we should only be writing about what has been written about elsewhere. I've just chased up a few reviews of the game, but not much is discussed about the characters other than the protagonist. Marasmusine 10:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
That's the biggest problem with this article. Literally everything in it is in in-game dialogue. I'm looking through the article and there's quite a bit of speculation that could be cut, but some of the stuff isn't implied through dialogue but flat out stated. Still, despite the 50+ seperate characters, most of them have almost no role in the story and there's little to say about them. For example, the thing about Dan Wilson and Thad Carlson is only from one line of dialogue, where Cornelius says "And now Thad's older brother Dan thinks he's all cool" or something very similar. And if you read the Website/Game Descrepancies section, you'll see how some of the more readily available information is actually wrong, which makes it more confusing. 207.138.94.170 14:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC) (McJeff not logged in)

Yeah well thats the best way to know the character's characteristics from the things they will say if they hardly play no role in the game and most of them don't play no role in the game. For example, in the past i have edited in details for Lance and Trevor the 2 African-American non clique students because mostly their informaton was only about their similarities in how they look like each other. The quote Cornelius says is "Thad's brother Dan thinks he is so cool now that he is a jock". Also if you notice with his entry its implied in his dialouge that maybe he used to be a bullied nerd due to him saying "oh man that never happens to me anymore" when ever he is given a wedgie or bullied. In this game, dialouge i think can tell a lot about the students characteristics. Dan the man1983 15:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Bucky or Donald's quote?

I'm actually the one swopped the "deadly weapons" quote from Donald to Thad because I actually heard it once when I greeted him.I swear to Jesus Christ I heard it!Paul 1953 09:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

My reasons on re-writing Eunice's info.

Theres a few reasons why. First of all it needed a clean up, Secondly all the girls like Jimmy after he kisses them and of course Eunice is the first girl he kisses in the game, So therefore she starts to like him asks him for gifts afterwards nearly everytime she sees him. But all gets get a crush on him after kissing him. I added her personality, she is a mixture of being nice one minute and sour the next, If you listen to conversations between students that involves her, Sometime she will reply "you have no idea do you" or " i dunno how i can make you feel any better". 217.44.181.178 20:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC) <- (Dan the man1983)