Talk:List of characters in Bully/Archive 2

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Noteworthy and Not Noteworthy.

This is to hopefully save some edit wars. Just list what kind of facts you think is noteworthy and isn't for the character's description so we can then discuss and hopefully come to an angreement to save edit wars. Dan the man1983 05:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Awesome idea, I've been meaning to post something like that. Here's what I think. Moved this to the top of the page btw so that everyone will see it.
Stuff that should be included, in order of priority.
1) Events that involve the character in the storyline of the game, e.g. Lola dating Gord on the side, Ernest running for class president, Chad and Algie running from the greasers on their bikes.
2) Brief physical description, as it's the easiest way to tell the characters apart on sight.
3) Overwhelming personality traits. Damon's love of fighting, Tad's being inbred on one side and abused on the other, Thad's obsession with yardsticks, Hal being fat and liking to eat.
3) Less major personality traits. This is more for the characters that aren't important and don't get much screen time. Example being Parker's seeming to be nicer than the other preps, Donald holding grudges and being vengeful.
4) Only for characters who have literally no info besides appearance, like Bo or most of the non clique students. Things mentioned in the character's in game dialogue that you'd have to follow them around to hear. Like Bo being on good terms with his parents. This is why things like Tad's mom's Mapplethorpe wouldn't be listed for someone like Tad (who has a crapload of info on him), but might for a character like Leon who does almost nothing.
Things that should never be mentioned are speculation. For example, Angie Ng's name maybe being a reference to the They Might Be Giants song "Ana Ng". I personally think it is, but it's speculative and unencyclopedic.
And arguments over whether a character is straight or bi should be avoided. Basically arguments over anything should be avoided. I deleted the thing about Pedro and Eunice in the bathroom stall together months ago because there were edit and revert wars about that months ago.
If there's a dispute, it should be handled like Dan the man1983 and I did over the Donald being the smallest nerd did. He made the edit, I thought it was wrong, he made his case for making it on the board. Turns out he was right.
McJeff 23:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok heres a list of things that i think are not noteworthy to be edited in the article.
1. Eunice and Pedro being the bathroom stall during the mission Save Algie - To me this only indicates how desperate Eunice is for male attention if she is found in a bathroom stall with a young student.
2. Tad's mother owning a Maplethorpe - Its already been decided on here thats its not noteworthy because its about Tad's mother and not Tad himself plus Tad has loads of Information on him already.
3 Lola's quote about her getting worried since its been a week already - It already states that Lola is dating Johnny the leader of the Greasers and of course being a couple they are gonna get up to no good. This only indicates that Lola is worried that she has slipped and the game never reveals anymore about the subject anyways.
4. Davis and Duncan - Ok this is being discussed already. However it states in Davis' information that he already made a freshman dropped out due to Bullying him and its already stated in Duncan's information that he dropped out of Bullworth due to being Bullied.
I will add some more when i can think of some. 86.145.0.126 15:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok im gonna explain a few things.
I see someone keeps on adding the fact about Sheldon and crying over the grave in the churchyard.
All the non clique students can be seen doing this. Ive seen Eunice and Gordon do it. Therefore i think it dosen't belong in Sheldon's information which is why i deleted it or keep on deleting it when its edited in.
Ok now on to another thing.
I see someone keeps on swapping the information "He thinks he will be rich someday cause he can make weapons out of anything" from Donald to Thad's information.
Now the reason why this gets swapped back is because IT IS Donald's quote and not Thad's. Dan the man1983 20:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hiring characters

Any of the boys can, at times, be hired. It seems that whether they'll offer to let you hire them is completely random, but any of them may offer. If you don't pass Art 1, even the bisexual boys (Trent, Gord, Vance, Cornelius, Kirby, Duncan) will occasionally let you hire them. I've managed to hire Trent, Kirby and Duncan at various times. So I've gone through the article and removed everything that says a character is hireable, because they all are. McJeff 17:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

not girls63.164.225.201 22:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman
Not little kids and non-clique kids either. I should've just said every boy that's in a clique can be hired. McJeff 05:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Im not to sure about Damon or Bif though. I have tried hiring them but it seems they couldn't be hired. Ive tried this many times too.(217.44.183.208 15:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC))
I've hired Damon. Never Bif though. But it took me forever to hire Duncan (and Trent) even when I hadn't passed Art 1, so I'll try to hire him and see what happens. McJeff 03:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
i hired bif 2 times and that was around when jimmy got out of bed i went to harrington house on my skateboard and hired him the 2nd time i was in school after i passed my final class and hired him i hired all homosexuel guys except cornelius but i dont really hire nerds and i hired damon once but he quit because i beat up the jocks63.166.254.137 17:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

zoey

should zoey still be in the townie clique since she re enrolled could it be possible shes in the bullys now or non clique63.164.225.201 21:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)medayugioh

Even when she enrolls Zoe is still a part of the Townie clique. Even though she dresses like a Bully in a way she don't become a part of their clique and she dont go around insulting or pushing weaker kids like they do.
Infact when Zoe does enroll the Bullies will insult her. (217.42.14.79 03:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC))
okay and i had another question could it be possible zoe and bif are related because there hair is kinda similair and there last names are the same63.164.225.201 18:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman
See the whole thing about the soundboard name discrepancies for the Bif/Zoe stuff. They could be half brother and half sister but there's no real evidence besides hair color to support that. Though Bif doesn't talk with a fake English accent and is a Democrat... hmm... 68.166.66.115 05:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I doubt they are related even if they do share the same surname, A lot of people can share the same surname and still not be related. (Dan the man1983 05:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC))
okay i now definatley know there not related i saw them making out63.164.225.201 17:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)medaayugiohman
That's probably a programming error that Wade and Christy can make out. Or maybe Christy doesn't care, she's a very troubled girl.
yeah more than likely but this is zoe and bif63.166.254.137 23:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

Tad

Tad's mother does own a Konstabi and a Maplethorpe.It was mentioned in the game itself.Who is the one constantly removing it?Paul 1953 16:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Look in the history tab of the article and you will find out who (Dan the man1983 17:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC))
Then again it was removed cause it wasn't noteworthy and there is a lot of info on Tad already. (Dan the man1983 23:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
What Tads mother owns doesnt have anything to do with Tad. This article is for talking bout the characters but not for putting every single little tiny detail about them in, especially when they got as much info as Tad does.
Agreed. (217.42.14.79 05:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC))
Ver Well Then.08:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

russel's tattoo

i have a question about russel once i was looking around on the game and saw something on russels arm i zoomed in and at first it looked like a scar but the more i looked the more i thought maybe it was a tattoo. alsothere was a character in the comic who looked much like russel and if you looked in the comic he has a small tattoo,should we add that he might have a tattooo in the article.63.164.225.201 18:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

That is a tattoo on his arm and he is the only student who has one(unless the player gives Jimmy one).
Then again ive always thought that Russell isnt a normal student in his teenage years. He to me seems like a 20 something yr old man who has been kept behind in school because he aint too smart. (Dan the man1983 21:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
Zoe has one too, if you look close enough. But seeing as how she spends most of the game out the school, I don't know if that counts... 82.12.125.231 02:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

davis and duncan

on the article it says davis made one kid dropout of school and if duncan is wedgied he'll yell this is why i dropped out. maybe davis made duncan dropout63.164.225.201 18:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

I doubt it. Duncan looks capable enough of standing up to Davis. Maybe it was another Bully like Russell or even a Jock that bullied him and made him drop out. (Dan the man1983 23:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
You know, I always thought this was true as well. Davis will randomly say "I actually made a kid drop out last year. I think the little puke still bums around town somewhere." (that may not be word-for-word) That implies that the kid in question is a townie. However, Davis may just think he made Duncan drop out - it could have been a combination of other factors aside from Davis' bullying.
Davis will randomly say "and then i had to give him a wedgie" so maybe it is Davis that bullied the Townie and made him leave 86.150.20.111 19:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Duncan looks kinda young, Davis is older than he looks though, he's at least a Junior (based on how he brags about making a freshman drop out last year). Maybe Davis bullied him back when he was Pedro's size.

faction leaders

is it possible at all to see faction leaders in free roam if so where can you see them63.164.225.201 22:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC) medayugiohman

The only one seen in free roam is Russell the bully leader. He can be found in the carpark in non class times and by the gates at night time, He can also be found outside the boys dorm near the far wall during class time too. (Dan the man1983 05:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC))

lola pregnant

who removed it but that dont matter what i was gonna say is why did it say she was pregnant anyway63.164.225.201 22:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

Because she can heard saying something in her game dialouge about her period being late (Dan the man1983 05:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC))
"It's been a week... so I'm beginning to get a little worried." is the exact quote.
Yep thats the quote (Dan the man1983 17:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC))
well how come we removed it63.164.225.201 17:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman
Because like the information that Tad's mother owns a Konstabi and a Maplethorpe it isn't really noteworthy.
okay and you also for got it isnt proven
anyway i just have some infromation they may have been doing something wrong because i heard an anouncement say lola and johnny vincet we know what youve been doing63.164.225.201 17:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

petey

how can you get to see him in free roam or does seeing him come as a random i also have the same question about gary63.164.225.201 17:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

No they cannot be seen in free roam. Dan the man1983 18:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
are you sure63.164.225.201 19:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes,I only saw Petey roam around in the boys dorm after the cutscene with him at the start of Chapter 3 Dan the man1983 22:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
uh can you see gary roaming before chapter 2 or after you finsh the game63.166.254.137 18:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman
People you can't see roaming about are Gary, Petey and leaders of the Jocks, Nerds, Preppies, Greasers and Townies. Dan the man1983 19:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
You can't see Melvin roaming until you've done the Character Sheets mission also.
Actually you can, He can be seen roaming around at the start of the game until the Halloween mission where after that he cannot be seen around until you do the Character Sheets mission. If you dont do the Character Sheets mission you won't see Melvin roaming around until you do it. But you do see him roaming around at the start of the game cause while doing the first mission with Gary on a new started game i remember bumping into him.

(Undent) However ive noticed some students do seem to disappear from free roaming just before you do a mission that involves them. Gord does before the mission where you lead him to the Greasers, Algie does before the mission where you save him and Chad from the Greasers Dan the man1983 22:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

oh so what you mean is you can only see pete after cutscenes can you see faction leaders after scenes too.63.166.254.137 23:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
if you can see leaders after scenes wich ones can you see them after i have the same question with pete and gary63.166.254.137 23:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok you can see Petey roam around a little after the cutscene at the start of Chapter 3 when Jimmy and him are playing darts(i also noticed that Angie spawns in the boys dorm during that time too).
He also roams around the campus after the cutscene start to chapter 4 where Jimmy argues with Ted and Damon and then decides that he is gonna take on the Jocks. I however have only once seen a clique leader spawn after a cutscene that involves that particular leader, This happened after the cutscene where Jimmy meets Earnest outside the library to give him the photo's that he took of Mandy. Dan the man1983 02:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
what about gary63.166.254.137 17:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman
You can see Gary roaming after you talk to him about what to put into Mandy's locker during the mission That B*tch Dan the man1983 05:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
how do i do that when i exit the girls dorm it just tells me to go to the gym
You need to have no stink bombs on you Dan the man1983 02:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I've seen Petey roaming after all of the cutscenes that involve him. If you don't talk to him though, he usually says something like 'I need to finish my homework' and runs off.

replay levels

can you replay levels63.166.254.137 18:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

No you can't replay levels Dan the man1983 19:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
damnit so the rumors i heard where all fake oh well63.166.254.137 23:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)medayugiohman

early versions of characters

I found this link that purports to be the site of someone who worked for Rockstar Games, and has among other things on it, some early versions of characters in Bully. So I'm going to add a couple things from the list. But - if you don't think it's encyclopedic this is a good place to explain why so we can come to an agreement instead of revert-warring. McJeff 01:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No it looks like a good idea, What things were you thinking of listing? Dan the man1983 01:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Right now, just the earlier versions of some of the characters (Beatrice/Amy, Francois/Fatty, Mole/Melvin, Angus/Algernon, Quarterback/Kirby and Danica/Nurse MacRae), noting the changes. McJeff 17:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Seems cool enough and encyclopedic to me then. You gonna add the other characters later on like the 3 prefects and some of the staff? Dan the man1983 05:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the article one photo,you'll see ,besides Jimmy,Davis in a uniform similar to Gary's.Should I put this up?Paul 1953 07:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
To me that indicates that's Rockstars original idea of Bully was gonna be where the player plays as an antagonistic Bully.
Also in the picture it looks like that Davis is wearing the same kind of uniform as Jimmy. Dan the man1983 17:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Reasons why Donald is the smallest Nerd in the school.

While Donald looks the same size as the other 3 skinny nerds he clearly isn't. I just compared Jimmy's height to all the Nerds you can see in the game. I found out that Jimmy is slightly smaller in height then Thad,Cornelius and Bucky. Where as he is the same height as Algernon,Melvin,Fatty and Donald. With Donald being as skinny nerd too this makes him the smallest Nerd in the school and thats the reason why i edited it in again. Dan the man1983 16:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

My PS2's busted so I'll take your word for it til I get a chance to check for myself. McJeff 04:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok no worries, When you do find out just post here what you think and if its worthy enough or not to keep in his information.
On another note i was thinking of adding a topic on here for where people can discuss on what they think is noteworthy and not noteworthy for the page so we can discuss and hopefully come to an angreement to what belongs and what dosen't just to save editing wars. Dan the man1983 05:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

This page.

This is just a request but this page has filled up a lot in the last month or so and i think its time to archive it. I don't know how to archive it though. So if anyone could archive it but leave the Noteworthy and not Noteworthy topic then that would be cool. Dan the man1983 20:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Max or Edward.

This has only came to mind but in Edward's info its says he wants to become a police officer. However Max can be heard saying "i wonder did the police get my application" or something like that. Anyways shouldnt the information about Edward wanting to become a police man be changed and put into Max's information since its him who can be heard saying about it? Ive put this here instead of just editing it just incase im wrong and misheard the quote and to save edit war over it. Dan the man1983 22:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Can someone at least share some light into this before i change it? Dan the man1983 19:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok this topic dosen't need explaining now since i heard him say "i wonder did the army get my application" which means i mishead the quote. However i still think the information about Edward wanting to become a police man is wrong due to the fact that it says he is gonna take over his family business, Not unless someone can post the quote where Edward says he wants to the join the Police force. Dan the man1983 14:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok ive edited in that Max wants to join both the army and police force in his information because in his dialouge he can be heard saying both "i wonder did the army get my application" and " i hope the police got my application". Dan the man1983 09:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Peanut question

Can anyone tell me exactly where in the game it says he's the 2nd in command of the Greasers? The article's said that from the beginning, but I haven't noticed anything except for the one mission where Jimmy has to ask him where Johnny is. I thought Norton would be the second in command of the Greasers - he accompanied Johnny to Jimmy's fight in The Hole against Russell, was apparently in charge when Jimmy broke into the tenements, and Lola was bothering him when Johnny disappeared, like he was the next highest authority.

I haven't changed anything in the article cos I've been wrong before (Tom being the Mascot), but, can anyone verify Peanut being second in command? I'll give a week or so for people to answer, and if no one does, I'll change it to say Norton is probably the Greaser 2nd in command. McJeff 06:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ive checked a yearbook photo guide at gamefaq and it states that Peanut is 2nd of command of the Greasers. It also said that Melvin was the 2nd in command of the Nerds too say maybe that can be edited into the article too. Dan the man1983 11:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I felt this needed more information and clarification so i checked mission clips on youtube that involved the Greasers and a few things indicate that Peanut maybe the Greasers 2nd in command.

Here are a few clues.

- Peanut is the Greaser who asks Jimmy to go see Johnny during the cutscene start to Chapter 3. - He is also one of the Greasers that vandalise the girls dorm with Johnny Vincent during the school riot. - The last Greaser Jimmy has big fight with is Peanut before fighting Johnny Vincent and this aint the only time that Jimmy has to go through a 2nd in command of a clique to get to the leader, Jimmy throws explosive footballs during the Jock boss fight and the person right in front of Ted covering him is his 2nd in command Damon and he fights Bif in a boxing match before fighting prep leader Derby. Plus Peanut mentions helping Johnny a lot during his free roam dialouge. Dan the man1983 14:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

That FAQ is wrong. It also says that Bryce is a no-clique, even though he's a preppy.
Here's something interesting. During the fight with Russell, if you look at the kids watching, it's the clique leaders - mostly with their second in commands, and the girls. Derby's there with Pinky and Bif, Ted with Damon and Mandy, Ernest with Melvin and Fatty (I guess Beatrice doesn't like watching fights), and Johnny with Lola and Norton. McJeff 17:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well i found my old Bully strategy guide which i brought to help me find collectable towards 100% and that states the same. But it also states that BRYCE is non clique, so the person who wrote that FAQ copied it from the strategy guide. Norton is a high ranking Greaser no doubt, Maybe he is Johnny's bodyguard or something like that since he is the biggest. But i still think its Peanut because during the mission Rumble before you fight Johnny Vincent he is the only Greaser who knows where Johnny was. Dan the man1983 18:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

That explains why people keep thinking Bryce is a non-clique, but that also means the strategy guide itself is wrong.
Anyway maybe it's like, Peanut is just Johnny's lackey and Norton is the 2nd in command. Or maybe Peanut is the second in command, but if Johnny quit/left the clique, Norton would be the new leader and pick his own second in command. McJeff 21:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion the rankings of the Greasers go like this. Leader is Johnny, 2nd in command is Peanut and Norton is the muscle. Now i said Norton is the muscle since he is the last resort the Greasers have of trying to stop Jimmy during the Tenements mission. Dan the man1983 23:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyways just for the record here are my views on who all the cliques 2nd in commands are. Greasers - Peanut, Nerds - Melvin, Preps - Bif, Jocks - Damon, Bullies - No one. Dan the man1983 06:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Fatty, Karen, and Cornelius

Why is it that it says that Karen and Fatty may be related due to their last name (Johnson), but not for Cornelius? Because his last name is Johnson, too. So why is it not stated that he is involved in the relation as well?

Well i think the difference in skin colour pretty much answers your question. Dan the man1983 07:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I understand what you mean, but just because some people in some families have different skin color, doesn't mean that they're not family. There is a white family in my neighborhood with a black daughter, and she is still their family. Skin color is not always a difference-maker.
I think if Cornelius was related to them then it would be through adoption because he is about the same age as Fatty is but i doubt he is related to them.
Johnson is a very common surname which may explain why Cornelius has the same surname as Fatty and Karen. Dan the man1983 14:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, it's one of those name screwups between the game. Cornelius has the last name of Thomas on the Soundboard, which is where Fatty and Karen are named Johnson. In the game, Fatty and Karen don't have last names. So basically, the fact that Cornelius has the last name of Johnson is something that the people who did the website forgot about or didn't know about when they picked that name for Fatty and Karen. So it's pretty clear that Cornelius isn't related to Fatty and Karen for that reason too. McJeff 00:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh. I never really thought of it that way. And I should have, considering the name confusions associated with the soundboard and facebook.

Interesting point about the Bullies.

It says in the Bullies intro that they leave the Greasers,Preppies and Jocks alone. This isn't strictly true, While i don't know about the smaller members of the Bullies. Ive seen Russell bully and insult members of these cliques before. Ive seen him do this to Gord,Bif,Norton,Dan and Bo. Being the biggest bully in school and probably the toughest i suppose he knows he can get away with it and that the other students fear him. So maybe it can be added into his information that he is the only Bully who will bully other students that aint apart of the non cliques or Nerds. Dan the man1983 17:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)