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To-do list for List of characters from The Wire: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Delete entries for non-notable characters (those appearing in less than three episodes).
  • Work through episode guides updating appearances lists for guest stars
  • Expand Bubbles' article
  • Expand Frank Sobotka's article
  • Expand Avon's article to fully cover his role in S3
  • Update links to all characters following subdivision
  • Add entries for Paul, Monell, Kwanese, Charlene, Bug, Chandra, Calvin, Spider, Little Kevin, Mrs. Rachel Shapiro, Mrs Perlene Scott, Mrs Hanson, Miss Duquette, and Cantrell (3 or more episodes through ep. 50)
  • Update with S4 appearances
  • Update links to the many episodes whose title has been shortened due to page moves
  • Tidy up the new articles for Maurice Levy, Clay Davis, Dennis Mello and Stanislaus Valchek
  • Update links that were broken when this article was split

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[edit] Plans

This page is very much a work in progress at the moment.

  • I aim to replace the appearances with lists of episodes that characters have appeared in.
  • Some characters probably warrant their own pages but I think it's worth holding off on creating them until their character bio/summary is long enough.
  • The starring characters should get pictures - these could be taken from the HBO profiles

--Opark 77 15:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies

At the moment the page is particuarly skewed towards certain episodes because I'm updating the list and profiles as I write episode guides. --Opark 77 16:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] real-life inspirations

This article might profit from a discussion of the real-life inspirations for many of the characters; David Simon discusses some of them here and here. 71.248.115.187 14:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I have added some of this info to the main page and some to the character's profiles. Thanks for providing the sources. --Opark 77 15:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Characters with individual pages

Any thoughts as to which other characters warrant their own article? There's a detailed discussion of this sort of decision making over at The Sopranos section. I know I'm supposed to be bold but I'd rather avoid merging back and forth where possible. If character profiles get sufficiently long I will set up a page without anyone seconding the nomination but otherwise I'd prefer to wait and see.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Currently these characters have their own pages:

Support--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Support--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Support (was nominated for deletion but myself and User:JeffStickney voted to keep)--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Support--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Started by me (and support!)--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Sonja Sohn has been a star of the show for 3 seasons, appearing in almost every episode. Hence I would support her having her own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC) (Started page --Opark 77 16:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC))
Clarke Peters has been a star since season 2 and was in most season 1 episodes as a guest star. I would support an individual page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC) (Started page--Opark 77 06:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
Guest star in season one and two, joined starring cast in 3. In most episodes. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC) (Started page--Opark 77 06:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
Guest star in season one and two, joined starring cast in 3. In most episodes. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)(Started page--Opark 77 10:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
Guest star in season one and two, joined starring cast in 3. In most episodes. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)(Started page--Opark 77 23:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
Guest star in seasons one and two, star in 3. Set to recur in season four in the school system. Support.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC) (started page --Opark 77 11:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC))
Star since season one. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Star since season one but not in all episodes. Keep.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Star since season one but not in all episodes. Keep.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
In season three, set to recur in season four. Wait and see, keep for now.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Star in season three, set to recur in season four. Wait and see, keep for now.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
If the character Jay Landsman ever gets his own page that page should have a disambig title such as Jay Landsman(The Wire Character) or Jay Landsman (The Wire). Since there is a real and notable Jay Landsman the title Jay Landsman should be reserved for the real person. I don't really agree or disagree with the recent merge- with its length and detail it would work either way, but it was certainly mistitled for an article about the character.I propose that someone-preferably someone who has read David Simon's book- convert Jay Landsman from a redirect page to an article or stub about THE REAL PERSON. As for the character, he is important enough, has been in the series from the start, and has enough detail written about him. If the article is properly titled and set up I would support a separate article for the character, but the disambig title would be a must. JeffStickney 21:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Started page at Jay Landsman (The Wire). I have not read Homicide so I'll leave Jay Landsman for someone who has.--Opark 77 08:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Star until death in season two. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I support that. He was a very important part of the show even after his death, and the description is certainly long and detailed enough.JeffStickney 21:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Star in season three, recurs in season four. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Guest in season three, star in season four. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
New star in season 4, wait and see.--Opark 77 11:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Star since season one. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Star for one season only. Support own page once profile is expanded.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
While he was only a one-season character, he was a very impotant part of that season. If his description were expanded far enough, I believe he would warrant his own page. Right now his section is too short for that however.JeffStickney 22:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Star for one season only. Support.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Guest star for one season only. Profile is now quite long. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Recurring character, in every episode of S2, profile is now quite long. Support.--Opark 77 09:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Recurring character with a long profile.--Opark 77 16:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Star for one season only. Profile is now quite long. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Guest in season three, star in season four. Profile is now quite long. Support own page. Article should be Dennis "Cutty" Wise for disambig.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Recurring guest star in 4 seasons, on the links template. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Recurring guest star in first 3 seasons. Long profile. Still on HBO's character guide. Support own page.--Opark 77 13:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Recurring guest star in 4 seasons with long profile. Support own page.--Opark 77 07:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Recurring guest stars in season 4 with major roles and increasingly lengthy profiles here and with individual character profiles on the HBO website. Support own pages.--Opark 77 21:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Guest star since season 1 with a long profile here and a HBO profile. Support own article.--Opark 77 10:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Maurice Levy has been around since the first season and is often important to the plot. His profile is longer and he's listed as appearing in more episodes than most of those listed above. He should probably get his own article.P4k 09:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I support that primarily because this page is way too big, and Levy's profile is long enough (takes more than one screen) to warrent a separate article.JeffStickney 02:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Starring character for season 4. Support own article.--Opark 77 10:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Recurring guest star, keep here. Tagged for merge.--Opark 77 10:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Recurring guest star, keep here. Tagged for merge.--Opark 77 10:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Star since season one. Support own page.--Opark 77 15:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Characters who might warrant their own page:

Recurring guest star, may be in season four. Keep here.--Opark 77 15:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Merge for now. wait and see what season 4 brings up. Also see my comment below for the merged Jay Landsman article. That title should be reserved for the real person (the detective-turned-actor) not the character.JeffStickney 21:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Merged.--Opark 77 08:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Merged again.--Opark 77 10:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Recurring guest star in season 3 and in every s4 episode aired to date. Long profile. Support own article.--Opark 77 10:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Recurring guest star in season 3 and in every s4 episode aired to date. Lots written about her in the press. Support own article.--Opark 77 10:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I support Bubbles and Bunk getting their own pages; there is plenty that can be added to both of them (and if I recall correctly -- my own copy not being on hand now -- both actors are interviewed in the Truth Be Told companion book, so there's more source material there). In season 4, if Marlo and Carcetti do indeed have major plotlines, I'd support separate articles for them as well. Others I'd keep an eye on (contingent on a high level of activity in the new season) would be Rawls, Burrell, and Prop Joe. Andrew Levine 14:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Burton

I ain't no wikipediean, nor do I have any interest in doing any real editing, but I think it should be noted that Richard Burton did not play "Shamrock" McGinty, seeing as he's been dead for almost twenty years—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.56.224 (talk • contribs)

I dewikified the link to Richard Burton. Obviously a different person.JeffStickney 00:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I created a new article for the Richard Burton in The Wire here. I found that he aqs also involved in council sponsored anti-drugs programs and hope that this combined with his acting makes him notable.--Opark 77 12:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brother Mouzone and the Nation of Islam

Brother Mouzone dresses and carries himself as though he were a member of the Fruit of Islam, the NOI's enforcement arm. Yet the NOI are very much anti-drug, and it's clear Bro. Mouzone works as muscle for a New York-based drug organization that supplies Barksdale's crew, and is not connected with the NOI. Was he perhaps a former FOI soldier who went private? What's his story? Anyone have any sources to fill this character out? He's been a minor recurring character in Seasons 2 and 3, probably not enough screen-time to justify a whole page, but he's (imho) a fascinating character, particularly in relation to Omar. (BTW, is it coincidence that Omar's last name is the same as Malcolm X's?) --Davecampbell 19:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that he is a fascinating character and his entry could be expanded. I don't know of any sources that discuss the characters origins but would also welcome any that anyone finds.--Opark 77 21:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
There's this Q&A from David Simon, where he seems (in my reading) to deliberately sidestep the question of whether Mouzone is based on anyone involved with NOI or FOI. So I don't think we're likely to get a straight answer from Simon about Mouzone's origins. Andrew Levine 17:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I read the same article, and it's apparent that Simon doesn't want to say that Mouzone is affliated with NOI/FOI or not. I think the ambiguity is deliberate. Mouzone never even says he's a Muslim, nor do we see him doing anything related to the practice of islam, or reading any islam-related publications. The only evidence he's affiliated is his attire and his manner. Whatever he is, he's a great character. MonkBirdDuke 22:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Really, really, long

As of yesterday, there are only 20 articles in all of Wikipedia longer than this one (see Special:Longpages). This page takes incredibly long to download even with a high-speed connection, and must be murder on dial-up modems. Almost half of the characters listed here had very brief and mostly inconsequential appearances, and their inclusion is trivial. I propose an inclusion criteria for the page: any character appearing in less than three episodes should be removed. Anyone else is fit to stay. If need be, some can be covered in the section of a character who is left in (like how Day-Day is mentioned in Clay Davis' section).

An exception would be made for characters introduced for the first time in the new season. We would hold off on applying the inclusion criteria until at least four episodes have aired.

I'm going to be bold and effect this change myself. It is not desirable to have a page this long. Andrew Levine 19:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

This seems reasonable. Go ahead. Splitting off starring characters/characters with long sections is another way to reduce the length of the article.--Opark 77 09:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
How about breaking the list up into subsections? List of characters from The Sopranos does this. I would suggest a section for the law, a section for the street and a section for the port.--Opark 77 11:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
What would they be called? List of Street characters from The Wire? List of characters from The Wire involved in the drug trade? I'd rather keep them all in one place, and do as you suggested, spinning off some more major characters and gutting the ones who had only walk-on roles. Andrew Levine 14:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, I disagree with changing all the "season one" to "season 1" and the like. I know Tony suggested it, and I'm not sure if this is an Australian convention, but in written American English it looks very unprofessional. The Wire: Truth Be Told uses fully written-out numbers for its seasons, as does every major-newspaper review of the show I've seen. Andrew Levine 14:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, now that I think of it, the Sopranos idea is pretty good. I suggest List of law enforcement characters from The Wire, List of political figures from The Wire, List of characters from The Wire in the drug trade, List of characters from The Wire at school (to be created once we have fleshed out these characters more), and I don't know what for the docks (since it includes stevedores, smugglers, and Sobotka family associates). Andrew Levine 17:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
We're already down to no. 23 on now off of the long pages list. Good work but we should keep trying to get the length down.--Opark 77 18:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC) (edited --Opark 77 21:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC))
[1] this is the version before we removed the non-notable characters in case it is needed to salvage any of the information from their entries.--Opark 77 10:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I think splitting up this article would be a good thing. It's nearly impossible to decipher it at this length. MonkBirdDuke 22:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd urge anyone interested in reducing the length of the article to contribute to the discussion about which characters might warrant their own articles.--Opark 77 11:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
As this season progresses the 4 kids, Snoop, Chris, and a few of the political figures will eventually warrent their own pages. As far as the long pages list goes, that is based on file size, not length of text. Almost all of that is coming from pictures (which are necessasry). As far as navigation goes, I'm not that sure about the two charts for "current cast" and "formerly starring". It puts 3 and 1/2 screenlenths (at my resolution) between the article outline and the character descriptions. It feels like I have to navigate over the outline twice.I personally think without those two charts (which basically duplicate the auto-generated outline) the article would be easier to navigate.JeffStickney 16:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I disagree that the charts duplicate the autogenerated outline. They feature solely starring cast members and I often refer to them to remind myself who is in the current starring cast. However, I completely agree that they are disruptive to navigating the article where they are. Perhaps moving them to the end of the article would improve this? Have you any thoughts on my suggestion of subdividing this article into other lists? This would be a significant task so I'm reluctant to begin without hearing a few more peoples opinions.--Opark 77 17:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links template

I've raised a few points about the links box over on Template talk:TheWire for anyone interested in which chracters are included there.--Opark 77 20:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Case Unit?

Isn't it really "Major Crimes Unit"? Check out this video, they clearly say they are from the "Major Crimes Unit". [2]--Jersey Devil 16:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

They were originally called the "Major case unit." When the unit was made permanent at the end of season two, they changed the name to "major crimes unit." Andrew Levine 16:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Major Crimes is more accurate since McNulty and others use it by name several times. i.e.: There's one scene where McNulty says...."McNulty, Major Crimes"...and the guy replies..."Sullivan, Minor Irritations" MonkBirdDuke 22:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, both names have been used multiple times by the characters on the show. Andrew Levine 01:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Since Herc and Dozerman just transferred into this unit, and Kima and Freamon just transferred out perhaps these characters' entries should be moved to the corresponding sections. I added this to the to-do list.JeffStickney 23:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Done.--Opark 77 20:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premature spoilers

Most of the people who are watching this page are big fans of the show, but not all of them have access to HBO On Demand, and even those who do don't always have the same access to the episodes. (New episode availability varies by cable provider). I've noticed that this article has contained spoilers from the episode Alliances for a couple days now. It doesn't bother me as I've seen it, but not everyone here has on demand. I think we should hold back on the spoilers in this article or in the character articles until the OFFICIAL air date. The only exception to this should be the episode article itself. Someone going to the article Alliances (The Wire episode) would expect to see spoilers on that episode. Someone reading this article's section on Randy Wagstaff would not expect to see spoilers for an unaired article. As today is the official airdate there is no reason to revert, but this is something to consider for future reference.JeffStickney 16:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded all of that content. Having watched Alliances and Refugees together I forgot what happened in each some of the time. I tried to separate them adding refugees midweek and alliances today but obviously fell down in places. Apologies. This seems like a reasonable suggestion.--Opark 77 17:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's legitimate to argue no to add something until it airs on HBO. If HBO has officially made it available to On Demand and it can be legally viewed, I think it should be fair game. You could make the same argument for people who don't even have HBO and are waiting for a DVD release. Should we hold it back months from now because people have not seen the DVD? On a side note, nearly the entire season has already been leaked on bittorrent and you can download up to about episode 10 of the new season. 128.6.78.50 18:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a reasonable request when it is a matter of days. If it was waiting months for the DVD release I would object but that's a different argument entirely. I would definitely object to spoilers from illegal downloads before airing as that is negative for the whole of wikipedia and put us in danger of copyright violation suits from HBO for spoiling their shows, that they paid to produce before they have even aired them.--Opark 77 19:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] McNulty's Boys

Weren't his two sons in season four, or did I dream/hallucinate that? 65.97.2.33 03:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

They were, as was Elena. The list/episode guide are not up to date. Feel free to add anything you find missing.--Opark 77 19:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought those were his new wife's kids, actually, but I'm not sure; Elena definitely was.

No, those were McNulty's own sons. Beadie's kids are a boy and a girl, and they're younger. Andrew Levine 07:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major edit 16/01/2007

I've reverted some of the changes made today by User:141.197.12.253 as explained on their talk page. I've kept the split of school into administration and students and the additions of characters who are significant (3+ episodes). I've also tidied some sections back to alphabetical order and moved the starring cast lists to the foot of the article.--Opark 77 19:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivision

Conradedge has begun splitting sections off into separate articles. I think the current subarticles are too specific. AndreLevine earlier suggested List of law enforcement characters from The Wire, List of political figures from The Wire, List of characters from The Wire in the drug trade and List of characters from The Wire at school. I'd also suggest a List of port characters from The Wire. These names are not important but I strongly feel that spearate lists for the law enforcement characters based on their unit are un-necessary and result in a large amount of duplication because of the multitude of moves the characters have gone through. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?--Opark 77 19:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I do think that the over-specific categories make it harder to find and keep track of all the characters. Particularly the ones who have moved from one category to another- mainly police officers who have been reassigned, but also some of the gangsters. I would support larger sectioning. At the very least the police should be merged into one. I have somewhat mixed feelings about the gangsters because the articles on the Barksdale organization, The Greeks, The New Day Co-op, and the Stanfield organization give some information about each organization as a whole, and allow them to be categorized as "fictional organized crime groups", but the over specific listings are making the characters hard to find. Just writing summaries (a list of names so the characters can be found from this page) is complicated by the characters who have moved from one section to another. JeffStickney 19:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts Jeff. I'll leave this a little longer and then merge the police articles. I concur that the crime organization articles might be best left given your point about categorization. Moves are less frequent between these organizations as well so this simplifies things.--Opark 77 20:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think some of it is confusing now; I think one place for "Police" would be a good idea. There are a few specifics, though... For instance, "Little Kevin" got put into the Barksdale Organization because he worked for Bodie, but he worked for Bodie post-Barksdale; he never interacted with Barksdale, and he would probably belong more under "Marlo", since the last person he worked for was Marlo.
Little details like that we can work out. I concur with you two about the general stuff.
ThatGuamGuy 20:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)sean

I have tagged all of the subarticles produced from content previously in "The Law" section for merge. I personally think the politicians should stay separate but I thought it best to be consistent. I'll wait a little while for any further discussion and then start merging them.--Opark 77 00:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I think "politics" is a major subplot, and it would be reasonable to keep it seperate, but it probably isn't a very big list, is it? I think that's a section which should actually be expanded to include more characters who may not be included right now.
I also noticed something; there's a whole large section of the Avon Barksdale article which is pretty interesting (it's really long, and could probably be tightened, but I didn't touch it yet) relating to the Barksdale Organization. Now that "Barksdale Organization" has its own section, I think this chunk, possibly re-written, should be moved into the new article, with a short paragraph remaining in the Avon article (however much is neccessary to make sense of other stuff in the article). ThatGuamGuy 02:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)sean

I agree. I had ben thinking about this myself.--Opark 77 07:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A to Z

Again along the lines of the subdivision perhaps an A to Z list of characters like List of characters from The Sopranos would be a useful navigational tool. Does anyone else have any thoughts? --Opark 77 20:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a really good idea, but I wouldn't know exactly how to distinguish who's "minor", off-hand. Would it just be people who hadn't ever been in the main credits? Or people who have their own sub pages? That would be the big question, I think.
I have a question; if we do this alphabetical list, would the sub-groups still be alphabetical? To my mind, the gangs and police (and "Politics") should be heirarchical, so that (for instance) Barksdale Organization would be "Avon Barksdale", "Stringer Bell", that guy now at the Co-Op, Shamrock, etc. Maybe the entire thing shouldn't be, but I feel like Marlo should be the first person under the Stanfield gang.
ThatGuamGuy 20:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)sean

Reaching back into memory I think we did it based on the starring cast on The Sopranos list. We had three groups for a while - main, secondary and tertiary. Essentially main was starring cast. Secondary was non-starring but deemed significant enough for their own article and tertiary was characters in list type articles. I guess the decision here would be whether we decice to lump all non-starring characters into the "minor" classification or to only denote the minor characters as those that do not have their own articles. Personally I'd lean toward the former but it is not of any huge significance.

I definitely see your point about the hierarchical organization and like the classification of characters on The Sopranos the alphabetical organization was an arbitrary one as far as I'm aware. I like that the subarticles have turned out as non-lists to be honest and I'd hope to keep that on merging them where needed. When you have a prose summary of the topic it is much simpler to introduce the main characters first so I think this is the natural way for the subarticles to progress. Basically I can get behind hierarchical organization!--Opark 77 23:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

A to Z is now up to date.--Opark 77 10:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Characters

I am going to try to start building page of minor to really minor (think Deidre Kresson, only shows up in a crime scene picture but plays an important role in D'Angelo's story arc) characters for the show. I think inclusion of minor characters is important for a through chronicling but they probably don't warrant inclusion into any of the main lists of characters if simply for how it would inflate the lists. They can probably be split up like the major categories but I think the lists would still get too long, so they would have to be split up by season. Since the minor characters rarely jump seasons listing them by season makes sense, but would this contradict the grouping protocol already in place? Should they be split up by the major grouping then by season within the page? How would that work for the docks which only really factor in Season 2? -- Pknicker 15:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC) pknicker

We've made a decision to exclude the really minor character from WP (hence the 3 episode minimum) because of notability guidelines. Kresson's murder is fairly well covered on D'Angelo's article. We still list a lot of relatively minor characters. I'd say that adding lists of minor characters by season would either duplicate content in the main list or introduce non-notable content.--Opark 77 10:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)