Talk:List of characters from The Venture Bros.

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[edit] Rule of Thumb

The general rule of thumb for adding recurring characters here (as opposed to List of secondary characters from The Venture Bros.) is a speaking role in at least two episodes, OR otherwise an important or notable character.

For example:

Kim, Tiny Joseph, and Girl Hitler have all had speaking roles in two episodes;
Myra Brandish has only been in one but involves possible explanation of back-story, and Cody and Rocket Impossible are important to explain the parody of The Fantastic Four;
The Mister Agents and Army Soldiers/Guards have appeared in multiple episodes, most of the time as background and extra characters, but have only spoken in one episode each, so they're on the other list.

[edit] Good job

Who was the genius who deleted half of the character entries? With Manstrong and Anna appearing again in the show, it would be worth noting that Anna has died and Manstrong is actually handicapped by his mother's controlling nature.

Several of us many months ago, see Talk:Characters_from_The_Venture_Bros.#Remove_some_characters.3F and Talk:Characters_from_The_Venture_Bros.#Getting too trivial. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~) -th1rt3en 07:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Action man

The Action man derives his name from another Bowie song that follows up "Space Oddity" called "Ashes to Ashes". I've added it.

I could have sworn that Otto Aquarius referred to Action man as a "murderer" rather than as an "adulterer" during the deleted outtake of Past Tense. It would make more sense in terms of the character. The twin .45s seem reminiscent of the Shadow and even more the Spider from the pulps (who was definitely an enthusiastic killer). Otherwise, I'm amazed and appalled at the organizational nitpicking I read about an excellent entry. Talk about fanboy cubed! The original author's done a great job. I've seen worse organization and editing on entries of substantial historical import.

Go Team Fanboy!

209.247.21.15 05:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Another point is that "ACTION MAN" was the name given to the GI JOE 12 inch figure when it was marketed in Britain in the early 1960's, since GI JOE is an American usage. That fact would be be well known in Britain as a cultural reference, and no doubt inspired Mr. Bowie's lyrics writer. GO TEAM FANBOY!! 209.247.21.15 05:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Col. Gentleman

His diary hints at a weird resentment for society and a yearning for the things that kids have now that he lacked as a child. Perhaps this is the cause of his pederast nature, much like Michael Jackson's textbook mental problem? Either way, did Gentleman overdose on Opium(Alan Quatermaine) or did he commit suicide some other way?

[edit] Reorganization?

I think this article needs a bit of cleanup and reorganization. Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer tend to make up several characters that are vital and named but only appear in one or two episodes. I suggest there be the following sections:

Venture Family/Compound (which would include Orpheus and Trianna)
Allies/Friends (Dr. White, Master Billy Quizboy, original team Venture)
Arch Enemies (Monarch, Unterbeit, henchmen, etc.)
Guild of Calamitous Intent (Phantom Limb, Strangers)
Recurring Characters (Molotov, other characters associated with aforementioned ones)
Minor Characters (possibly just a list of named and important characters such as Brisby, Speedy, Major Tom, Dr Impossible's family, the arches that are in jail, etc)

or basically something to that effect. -th1rt3en 23:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Girlfriend

Dr Girlfriend is no longer with the Monarch. She with her ex now.

[edit] Character Pages

I've made a page for Brock Samson, and will do so for the Venture boys, Thaddeus, H.E.L.P.eR., Dr. Orpheus, and Monarch, BUT:

Brock's page is fucked up. I can't move it merely to 'Brock Samson', beyond that, his info box isn't showing everything it should. I'll have to ask someone else humbly to help and cover it up for me-it won't simply move to 'Brock Samson' than 'Brock Samson character' since 'Brock Samson' redirects to the main page.

Thankfully, the other characters should not show such a problem. Umbric Man 1st July 2006 12:45

I fixed the Brock Samson page, it was a redirect and I just copy/pasted and switched the info from Brock Samson (character) and vice versa. -th1rt3en 03:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

You're an absolute lifesaver, man-I owe you a favor. Umbric Man 12:23 2 July 2006.

Uh, on an important side note, as I add more info to the original character pages I'll be editing the summaries for them on the main page only to a basic couple sentences; as I want to eliminate redundancy and make the characters' main pages more important and informative, and encourage people to work on them instead, as well as shorten the main character page a good bit. That okay by everyone? I already did it to Hank, Dean, and Brock. Umbric Man 12:24 2 July 2006

I'll get some pictures up soon. -th1rt3en 06:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I've added the last major character I had planned, H.E.L.P.eR. Should we do anyone else? Can anyone else even get enough info for a page? If so, I'd wager Triana, Dr. Girlfriend, and maybe Team Venture (the team)/Venture Industries, but the former two may not have enough info and the latter sadly too redundant. Umbric Man 2:10 4 July 2006.

I would say Dr. Girlfriend for now, and maybe Phantom Limb if his character develops in upcoming episodes. -th1rt3en 06:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I would also say both Venture Industries and Impossible Industries might be good additions. -th1rt3en 05:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

For my 2¢, Dr. Girlfriend is the best candidate for a separate page. Triana is a bit iffy, having played a very small part in a few episodes; ditto for Team Venture (if you mean the old one). Venture Industries and Impossible Industries... well, those aren't very developed yet either. If the new season keeps developing on established character like it's been doing, I would say henchmen 21 and 24 might be due for their own pages before long. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I'd love to see a separate page for Baron Ünderbheit... although he really hasn't developed enough as a character to warrant it. Perhaps soon... - DynSkeet * Talk 20:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, Team Venture would concern itself only with a brief mention of the former being such a wonderful team, the current one being crap, and much more concerned and filled with info with the symbols/actions of Team Venture (the motto, V-sign, yadayada), and Venture Industries and all the crud on it would be combined in the Team Venture page, if you were wondering-they're quite related. I can put that page up if you want to see what I have planned and we can delete it if it's too redundant/short.

And yes, Underbhiet also I feel deserves a page, same for Phantom Limb but you're also right on Underbheit's little roles so far (same for Limb, really). I know the Baron will likely get a page though, as two upcoming episodes seem devoted to him.

Finally, I'll add Dr. Girlfriend soon, if someone else won't already-I've just been taking a break from creating the pages for a short bit, heh. So soon Dr. Girlfriend definantly, and Team Venture/Venture Industries as a test run. Umbric Man 1:20 6th July 2006.

...yanno, considering Dr. Girlfriend and Underbheit got pages added anyways, I say we do one for Phantom Limb and Molotov Cocktease. Maybe I, maybe someone else (guh. I'd have done Girlfriend if work didn't eat up my time...). My main concern with these new pages is keeping their quality content quite high, considering it's only been like what, a week and a half since our amazing expansion of the Venture Bros. Wiki-pages? Let's keep the roll going great, guys. Umbric Man 1:42 8th July 2006

[edit] Jonas Sr.

I'm not sure that Venture's late father should be referred to as "Jonas Venture Sr." The fact that Dr. Venture's twin brother existed at all was only revealed late in the second season, so Jonas Venture was long dead before it was evident that he had a namesake. (For that matter, I'm not sure why the newly-found twin named himself Jonas Jr.) Um, short version I guess, no one ever called him Jonas Venture Senior while he was alive, and there was no evidence to do so for 95% of the first season. My vote is to call their father "Jonas Venture" and the little guy "Jonas Venture Junior". - DynSkeet * Talk 20:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I added the Sr. mainly to differentiate between them, and added Dr. to Jonas, Jr., because he recieved two doctorates. Jonas Venture, Jr., and Jonas Venture are both fine with me. -th1rt3en 03:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting too trivial

The description at the top of this article reads "This is a list of the main and recurring fictional characters from The Venture Bros., the Adult Swim/Cartoon Network comic science fiction series." (emphasis mine) However, the article now lists nearly every character who has ever appeared in one scene. The list either needs to be trimmed down severely, or the description at the top of the page needs to be changed. (Personally, I'd prefer the former.) A few characters that, in my opinion, do not belong under "main and recurring" characters: Race Bannon, Hector and Swifty, General Manhowers, the Snake Men, and most of the contents of the "Imprisoned supervillains" section. Several others are questionable (Manstrong/Baldavitch, Impossible and company, Brisby/Mandelay, Major Tom, Summers/Sasquatch), but since most of them played major roles in the one episode in which they appeared, they are understandable. I want to get some consensus on this before making the edit, since it is... well, quite a major one. My revisions seem to be rubbing a few people the wrong way lately anyway. Anyone have any comments on the above suggestion? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine either way.

Part of the reason I made the original character pages was to shorten theier main character pages' entries back; and that's worked pretty well (IMO), but I never realized how large the page was getting until you made this point. I know that th1rt3en makes a good point on how one-shot characters usually are vital or the focus of an episode, though. Maybe sleep on it for a couple more episodes? If the second season proves to have too many characters we'll trim it, I'm all for it, otherwise for now (just for now) leave it be. That's my official opinion.

That said, I personally think you're doing fine with the edits-considering I'm universally corrected for my horrible grammar and sentence structuring, you usually save my butt in a kinder way than most. Umbric Man 1:04 14th July

I'm fine with one-shot characters that play major roles in their one appearance -- it's the characters from a single scene who never reappear that I think are too much. Naturally, they might show up in a later episode, but as a rough guess I'd say it takes at least three minor appearances to consider someone a real recurring character.

My concern with this is mainly based on the hope that VB runs for several more seasons at least. Take a gander at some of the plethora of Simpsons articles, and notice the godawful level of detail many of them get into over each character. I'd like to avoid that in these articles.

So anyway, I'll leave the questionable characters in place for now and wait for more comments. Thank you for the response and the compliment -- as long as people don't mind my meddling, I'm happy to revise here and there. No way I could try to handle the VB articles by myself, the more the merrier! - DynSkeet * Talk 12:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's an idea: why dont we move all of the minor and non recurring characters to each episode article that each character is in? Any character that is either in more then one episode or important to backstory will be left in this article. -th1rt3en 13:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Works for me, as long as it doesn't make the episode article too long. - DynSkeet * Talk 14:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Heh, works for me as well-just toss it up so I can see what to do exactly, and I'll help begin reorganizing alongside you guys. Umbric Man 3:03 P.M. 14th July 2006

[edit] New template for characters

I would really like some feedback on this. I just made a new template for Venture Bros. characters, with the currently-used superherobox as a rough guide. Several of the lines are optional. Please let me know if it should be used. Here is a rough example of its use, the template itself is at Template:VBCharacter if you want to examine it (including a usage box). Apologies in advance for taking up so much space on the talk page.

The Venture Bros. character

Hank Venture

Hank, shocked.

First appearance:	The Terrible Secret of Turtle Bay
Voiced by:	Christopher McCulloch
Real name:	Henry Venture
Aliases:	Hank, Spazzoid
Profession:	teenage adventurer
Notable characteristics:	death-prone (offset by cloning), dim-witted
Alliances:	Team Venture
Notable relatives:	Dr. Thaddeus Venture (father), Jonas Venture (grandfather), Jonas Venture Jr. (uncle), Dean Venture (brother)

- DynSkeet * Talk 14:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks awesome. Maybe make the text a bit smaller? Though that's just my prefrence. -th1rt3en 15:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Done and done (assuming you meant in the top bar). - DynSkeet * Talk 15:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I meant just the opposite XD. The title bar should be big and the rest of the text just looks a bit jumbled to me. -th1rt3en 18:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Whoops! I'll see if I can change that. - DynSkeet * Talk 00:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, there we go! Looks great! And great job with switching them out with the old ones for each character. -th1rt3en 02:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

If I may say so myself....AWESOME. You got my full vote for putting it up! Umbric Man 2:58, 14th July 2006

Thanks! - DynSkeet * Talk 00:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Triana Deserves a Page?

Well, see title.

I'll be doing Phantom Limb once I get a bit of free time; but does Triana qualify for an entry? I'm figuring if even Billy got one, maybe she can work up an article, though at best she's a minor, recurring character. She still appears enough in the show I know people may wonder why she's not gotten a page yet...blah on her being exactly at the crossroads of 'minor' and 'supporting'.

If we DO do her, I think that's every major character receiving their own article...for real, this time. Umbric Man 1:25 15th July 2006

It might be a bit sparse at first, but sure... just be careful not to pad the article with every trivial thing you can remember about her. I don't want VB pages to get crufty. - DynSkeet * Talk 15:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Remove some characters?

I think we should remove a large bulk of the minor characters:

Col. Bud Manstrong, Lt. Anna Baldavitch, Roy Brisby, Mandalay, Major Tom, Steve Summers, Sasquatch, Tiny Attorney, Mecha-Mouth, and White Noise. They've all appeared in only one episode (except for the Christmas Special)

Save Hunter Gathers, Race Bannon, Johnny Quest, Hector, and Swifty since they give some back story. -th1rt3en 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

All of them are fairly major characters in the episodes in which they appear, with the exception of White Noise and Mecha-Mouth. However, they are adequately explained in the summaries for these episodes, I believe, so can probably be safely removed from this article. As for saving Hector and Swifty... eh, I dunno. They were onscreen for a total of what, three minutes? I'm all for saving Hunter just because he's such a bizarre character, and I'm hoping he appears in more flashbacks or something. - DynSkeet * Talk 16:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the thing about Hector and Swifty, they provide backstory for the setting of VB. It pretty much identifies how Jonas Sr. was very similar to Dr. Quest. -th1rt3en 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. The most obvious indications that Jonas is a parallel to Benton come from their sons. My main concern, though, is that the article is supposed to describe main and recurring characters, and Hector and Swifty have so far been neither. The similarities to Hadji and Race can easily be transferred to the "Hate Floats" article.

You know, now that I think about it, I'm 99.9% sure I already axed White Noise and Mecha-Mouth. I'm taking them out again. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'll go ahead and remove the aforementioned, as well as Hector and Swifty. -th1rt3en 03:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That's a mistake. Venture is known for randomly digging up old characters you may have forgotten. I think they're worth keeping, as I'm sure they'll show up again.

[edit] YACDP (Yet Another Character Debate Page): Richard Impossible.

Actually, this isn't on him. I'm pretty sure he has enough info for his own page. Rather, do we make a seperate Impossible Industries page WITH the family in them, or combine the Industries/family with Richard's page?

...BTW, does anyone know if Steve Austin was part of the OSI? I'm too lazy to check the episode, if he is, maybe I can scrounge up enough for an OSI page. Despite its decidedly lack of actual appearances enough homages exist around it maybe they can carry the page. Umbric Man 12:54 A.M. 8th August 2006

Well, we could have one page for everyone. Basically just make a page for Impossible Industries and have seperate sections for the characters. -th1rt3en 05:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

...that may work. I was kind of hoping to seperate them for another addition on 'organizations' (I'm a sucker for expanding sections, heh) and 'characters' each, and beyond that, I feared Richard getting everything on his page may make it too large and unweidly. That's the problem, IMO. He's enough for his own page, but nothing else related to him is.

Boy, I pick at the stupidest things. Umbric Man 1:22 A.M. 8th August 2006

We have to be careful not to insert every trivial bit about a character in his or her article to avoid bloat (cruft, whatever you like to call it). In RI's case, stuffing everything possible about him may make one full-sized article; if we gloss over details and create a general description with notable incidents, there should be plenty of room for short blurbs about the other folks. Appearances in two episodes, no matter how prominent, make it difficult to create a good article with adequate level of detail. Just my unwanted two pennies.

And IIRC, Summers never specified OSI, just "working for the government". Brock seemed to recognize him, but necessarily as a colleague. So I'd avoid linking him to OSI unless the show makes it more explicit. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you hit it on the ball, Dyn. I thought it over last night, and he probably would be able to fit everything/family/I-Industries on a page, especially once my own rough created page is glossed over and streamlined by the rest of you guys. I'll make him tonight-tommorrow, and we can delete it if need be (yes, I'll actually meant it when I say I do it).

As for the OSI, I checked the episode and you're right. That's the problem with the OSI-too prominent to not be mentioned, but that's all we know about it. But that kind of continuity and referencing is what makes the show great. Umbric Man 1:43 P.M. 8th August 2006

[edit] OCLF

Honestly, I think the article for the Orange County Liberation Front is unnecessary. It only appeared in one episode and has not been mentioned since. And I don't think it'll be featured in any future episodes (possibly mentioned, though). Should we delete it and just leave it on this page? -th1rt3en 17:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it's probably too minor an organization for its own article. You might want to tag it with something saying it's under consideration for deletion, just to see if it generates any persuasive arguments. - DynSkeet * Talk 17:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. -th1rt3en 00:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't really mind either way. Actually, I'm surprised the page got as big as it did. -Umbric Man 12:45 A.M. 9th August 2006

Yes, but about half of it seems to be talking more about Brisby and Brizzy Bee, rather then the OCLF. -th1rt3en 05:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I just completed a large-scale edit on the characters page, and deleted several one-shot characters including the OCLF. The article on the episode is probably more than enough to document this organization. - DynSkeet * Talk 13:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] recurring strangers

Does anyone know the names of the two recurring "Strangers" that work for the Guild that are voiced by Hammer and Publick? Or do they even HAVE names rather? -th1rt3en 05:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I could have sworn I read that in one of the articles. They do have names, although they haven't been mentioned on the show. They are supposedly cyborgs, and their conversations usually reflect actual ones that Publick and Hammer have had. Of course, I can't find it mentioned anywhere now. - DynSkeet * Talk 17:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Really? Haha that's awesome with the conversations. Anyway, as soon as we can find names for them I think they should be put in the Recurring Minor Characters section. -th1rt3en 17:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

They're mentioned as being named Watch and Ward (which one is which is beyond me)on the Guild's article, or they were the last time I checked.-Rigel7Freddy 19:25, 13 August 2006.

I'll go ahead and add them in here. -th1rt3en 20:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If I'm recognizing Jackson and Doc's voices correctly, I think that Watch is the more diligent one who is usually at the monitor, and Ward's the one is always back there doing something silly.70.40.150.89 04:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe Doc Hammer voices the one at the computer, he sounds similar to Dr. Girlfriend. But I don't know who voices which character (names) and which character is which. -th1rt3en 04:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

See, I have the opposite opinion. Maybe I'll submit that to the "Ask Adult Swim" thing, 'cause now I'm curious.

Oh, but I know this part for sure: Jackson voices Watch, while Doc voices Ward.70.40.150.89 08:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, the newest episode has confirmed by guess. Watch (Jackson) is the guy at the monitor, and Ward (Doc) is the funny guy who's always doing something like messing with the iPod or complaining about his stolen juicebox.70.40.150.89 22:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baron Underbheit stuff

Where does all this stuff about the Baron being deposed and Girl Hitler becoming president come from? None of this sounds in the least familiar to me. -CWD 18:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

From the newest episode, Love-Bheits. -th1rt3en 19:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, very well, I was waiting to watch it tonight instead of viewing it online. -CWD 00:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General Manhowers, Tag Sale Agents

Should these guys be in this article? I put manhowers in before, because I knew he'd be in another ep (guess who's coming to state dinner, natch), but he got remopved.. And the Tag Sale security guys have been in three episodes so far..

Manhowers can be added again, but the Agents seem to just be generic background character designs and not recurring characters. For instance, the one who wiped up blood at the end of Tag Sale was actually one of the four who were killed there -th1rt3en 06:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess. It's just, Mr. One features prominently in Tag Sale, and I always really liked those guys (just hope he doesn't make us put on a dress and dance...) Rigel7Freddy

[edit] What the heck?

I added characters from the last episode and some moron erased them. What happened? I don't have backup of that info.

I'd agree to keep the list short if this was an incredibly fine article, but the article is not even well organized again villains and and friends all mixed... Why JJ at the end of the "friends" list and triana at the top? JJ even figured once at the oppening secuence as if the title Venture Bros. refered to him and Rusty!--201.114.96.112 05:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

You're adding too many characters that are too minor. For the recurring and minor section we're keeping it to recurring as at least 2 relevant episodes before adding them and minor as being possibly important to the storyline (such as Myra). Organizations as well, anything thats in only one episode is unimportant and can be put on the respective episode pages (such as the Orange County Liberation Front and the Osiris Cult). Talk about reorganization here on the talk page before making any major changes please. -th1rt3en 06:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that's how it works. I think you're making up rules. Besides your organization suck, you go back and foward mixing villains with friends.

Mr. Imposible might remind you Mr. Fantastic and therefore you confuse him with a hero. But, with the ecxception of the pilot, he is always the villain of the episode.

Watch and ward are clearly villains.

What the hell makes traiana in your mind more important than Jonas Venture? Jonas is part of the team venture.

Luckyly this time I did make a backup document in my computer of the entire article so that your limited version can be fixed over and over if necesary.--201.114.96.112 19:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

...Well maybe characters appearing in no more than one episode should not have a paragraph. On the other hand, maybe they should have a paragraph but not biography article. Maybe that shold be the difference, minor characters don't get an article.--201.114.96.112 19:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Also the Ünderland troops and Anna Baldovitch ARE recurring, Same as the imposible family, which this article is missing.

Shouldn't this article be named "List" of characters appearing in Venture Bros.?--201.114.96.112 19:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

see Talk:Characters_from_The_Venture_Bros.#Getting_too_trivial. Richard Impossible and family are not villians, nor are Watch and Ward, who simply work for the Guild. -th1rt3en 19:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, you're a moron with no idea of what a villain is, I get it.

If you work for a syndicate that alouds super villains to commit crimes without getting incarcerated and coordinate the assasination of the Venture family just because Phantom Limb said so, you are a villain.

If you kidmnap people and treat your own family like crap, you're a villain.

You're incongruent with your own made up rules: If a character needs more than one appearance to be in this page the Triad is out and Roy Brisby, Ünderland troops, the Master and Anna Baldovitch are in: There are references to Brisby since the pilot, The Ünderland troops have appeared twice and so does Anna and the Master.

Finally, I checked and all articles of this type are titled "List of characters of X" (X=show-book-work-movie-etc) and comprehend all characters at least without paragraphs. Actually, this kind of articles ARE intended to provide paragraphs for minor characters, because the main ones already have independant articles and intead of a paragraph they have a

Main article: article

link.--201.114.96.112 21:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Also important: If size is "the problem", in most cases it is solved by creating a "List of XX villains" article.--201.114.96.112 21:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I strongly suggest the creation of a "List of villains from The Venture Bros." article.--201.114.96.112 21:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Same thing with the organizations. This article needs some serious splitting.--201.114.96.112 22:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

2 episodes is for recurring characters, importance is for minor characters (such as Myra). And by the way this article was set up, Villians is for those characters that have established Archvilliany against the Ventures or have established themselves as Archvillians: Monarch (by extenstion 21 and 24), Dr. Girlfriend, Underbeit, Limb. Richard Impossible is not an archvillian, roy brisby has been in one episode, the imprisoned supervillians were shortend to those with speaking roles in at least two episodes. Anna and the Master can be added. As can Triad now, since they have been in two episodes. We collectively decided in Talk:Characters_from_The_Venture_Bros.#Getting_too_trivial and Talk:Characters_from_The_Venture_Bros.#Remove_some_characters.3F that addin EVERY character would make this article too long and went with placeing single episode character on the episode pages. I'm reverting once more since the article is now messy and disorganized. If you want to make some major organizationaly changes please talk about it here first. -th1rt3en 22:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Talking about trivial! 3 guys does not qualify as "colective". You're copying me, I said the article is now messy and disorganized, and I fixed it. I told you why the article is too long: It needs splitting.

List of characters from The Venture Bros.
List of villains from The Venture Bros.
List of organizations from The Venture Bros.

That's the way it works in other articles, anything else you're making it up to justify you actions, a couple of guys agreeng with you doesnt make it as official as trousands of articles done the same way I'm telling you.

Pick a series, Strat Trek, Battlestar, Dragonball, batman, Superman, Starwars, whatever, check the lists of characters, realize you're wrong and then come back.--201.114.96.112 23:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

But it is messy, there's spelling mistakes, duplicate entries (the impossibles), grammar, bulleted lists, etc. I keep reverting because your changes hold many of the aforementioned mistakes, and you've changed a large amount of detail prior to discussing it on the talk page. And your redefining of what goes in each section is no different than our defining of it. If you want to change the article on a large scale, please discuss the changes you want here first, and if you do make changes, make sure they are encyclopedic and copyedited. If you want to split the articles, add the {{Template:Split}} tag.

Oh, that kind of messy! I thought you ment like disorganized messy. Sorry, you're right if that's the problem. Well, in that case, I think I sould only add the names and let somebody else do the paragraps.

The only thing I'm sure is that prior to my edits this article was working the opposite way all "Lists of Characters" work. Actually in some lists the paragraphs about the main characters are the shortest. That's because they have their own articles.

Most list work like this: If the character is important he gets his own article and a couple of lines in the character list. If the character is too trivial, he doesn't get to have his own page and all his info is put in the list. Otherwise you are just repeating over and over again the same info about the main character.

There are also lists with no paragraphs at all. Some others use tables with or without paragraphs. Limiting the info helps nobody, every data has a place, it is only matter of finding the right one.--201.114.96.112 01:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I re-added the some characters you took of, but took off the paragraphs I wrote to avoid having spelling troubles again. I'm letting somebody else with better skills give it a shot.--201.114.96.112 01:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, Phantom limb is as ambiguos as Watch and ward, so instead of re integrating the last two to the villains section, I created a section for the guild the same way you created one for the impossibles (which I respected from your last edit). That should avoid future controversies.--201.114.96.112 01:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

ok, that's looking better, imo -th1rt3en 02:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to say this once....this article needs serious cleanup. Way too many minor characters are in here; most of them will never figure again. I vote putting this list back to the way it was a couple days ago, because this really bloats the character page up. And 201, don't bother insulting someone who's done a hell of a lot for the pages.

How is Phantom Limb ambiguous as Watch and Ward? Could those two bother to get their own pages? Could you actually make a sizeable page for each of the proposals you're making? Frankly, I'd doubt it-and leaving the character lists BLANK without adding any info in sucks. This looks a heck of a lot messier and confusing now with your 'additions'.-Umbric Man Oct 1st 2006 12:25 A.M.

Perhaps some points you'd like to debate, rather than ignore and insult me instead with:

~Do tell why the Grand Galactic Inquisitor couldn't be explained in "Twenty Years to Midnight"'s page-that explains him well enough as one example.

~'References since the pilot'. Yes, Brisbyland logos were seen. Roy was seen in "The Incredible Mr. Brisby". Any other sightings or mentioned, champ?

~Snakemen. So a quick gag group is worth putting in. As is Underground, or perhaps the Orisis Cult. Or Tiny Attorney, Mrs. Manstrong or Breyer for singular characters. Even though putting them all in and some info would really bloat the page up-when the episode page they appear in, and you even LINK to for some of them tells what we need to know in the first place. Holy crap, you even put in Underground twice in this page. Bloody redundant. As is 'organizations' and 'evil organizations' when the banner 'organizations' could do for them in the first place.

~BTW, the 'two episodes at least' rule is something a LOT of the regular editers here abided by, including me-it meant they were likely to make repeat performances. It wasn't just some 'moron making stuff up'. Frankly, that sounds like what YOU'RE doing to satisfy your ego, buddy. And who did you expect to put in all the info? The rest of us? Haha.

~This page is kept short so you can get quick info on all the main, major characters and the MORE IMPORTANT minor ones. Anyone else who appears in a single episode can easily be read about in the episode summary they appear in; we don't even have info on most organizations to give them more then a sentence's worth of blurb rather than a whole freaking page devoted to organizations.

~I can't even believe I have to debate this against someone who isn't even a registered user and appeared for the seeming hell of it...a rather peeved-off Umbric Man 12:45 A.M. Oct 1st 2006

[edit] Torrid

Should Torrid be added to the minor character (or villian) section? He's only been in one episode, but I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of him. -th1rt3en 04:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

If he does come back, yes. As it is, I don't even know if the Triad may be coming back (although I'm aware they make a return appearance in "Viva Los Muertos") and they had a much hefty portion of the episode devoted to them. I'd say wait for now. -Umbric Man 1:05 A.M. Oct 1st 2006

Ok. As for the Triad, I doubt we'll see an episode entirely devoted to them for the rest of this season. Although they might make one more appearance. Next season will probably have a Triad episode (I hope :P). -th1rt3en 05:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Umbric man, think about the big picture, lists actually tend to focus more on minor characters, because those don't get their own articles. Focusing on mayor characters you're just repeating the same info over and over. Fists in the episode pages (like you propose for the minor characters), then here and then in their own articles. Why would you need a paragraph here about a character that already have severai in his own article when some other characters don't even get a line?

Watch and ward work under Limb's authority, and they have never been seen doing any good action. That evil enough.

It really bothers me that you didn't even keep some changes. How do you expectme to keep some of your changes if you don't respect any of mine. You put Triana back on top with JJ's picture at the side and JJ paragraph's at the bottom of the section and the picture of the henchmen at the side of ünderbeith, you seriously expect me to respect that? Modify the edits if you wan't but reversing blind is just stupid.--201.114.96.112 08:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

However, I'm not writting paragraphs for the minor characters as I think it shold be done. Partially because, as 13 pointed out, my spelling is not good enough. But partially because I'm meeting you in the middle. As you said, because all the info about the character could be found in episode articles, I'm only listing the minor characters with specification and linking to the respective episode so that the reader can find out all he might need to know about the character.

Then again I strongly sugest you explore several character lists so you get a better picture abou how is it really done instead of making up rules according to the feeling of the moment. I bet there are some rules written doen somewhere in wikipedia for this kind of cases.--201.114.96.112 08:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

...okay, okay. You win. That list looks a lot better and organized now with what you added in as the compromise and the episode links. Thank you for real, and I'll officially drop the subject and add in some blurbs for what I can.

I am going to maintain the 'made-up rules' was still something many wiki-editers around these pages were something we abided by and worked quite well, mostly because we had a very small group of regular users building these articles up in the first place when they were virtually ignored by everyone and we went by some self-made guidelines, and still abided on up to this very day so nothing could be added in haphazardly or too quickly. That said, I'm also going to say for the record my bitchiness seen above is only because I get defensive on seeing people I know begin to get insulted.

Sigh. I never thought I'd get into a wikipedia war ala Shortpacked, haha. Ironic this is in the 'Torrid' discussion but he doesn't have a section for him yet. Also, I'd request we put episode links in with quotations marks than italics since we've done that throughout the entire Venture Bros. pages and even though I fear it'll bloat up eventually, for now splitting pages up still doesn't feel right. Guess I'll go add in Torrid, now...-Umbric Man 12:38 A.M. Oct 1st. 2006

[edit] Splitting

This still isn't working for me, so I'm going to make a List of secondary characters from The Venture Bros. and put all of the one-timers in there. It'll look like List of secondary characters from Futurama. -th1rt3en 17:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm loving it!! Great work.

The only thing I don't get is why the Ünderland characters are alle mixed. Manservant is not with the ünderground characters.

I also don't quite like is the prission villains far from the villains. I thing people should vbe able to ead all the villains in a row.--201.114.96.112 19:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

it's because Manservant, King Gorilla, and Tiny Joseph are minor characters. Manservant's been in about 4 episodes, and Joeseph and King have each only been in two. And I changed the villians section to Archvillians to distinguish them -th1rt3en 19:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Only one problem, I see where the "archvillains" header comes from, however out of all the characters listed there only Ünderbheit and The Monarch are Archvillains, the others are henchmen or seconds in command.

I'd agree Dr. Girlfriend, 21 and 24 have all tried "arching" at least for an episode, but they all failed and got no archenemy hero.

Limb is suposed to be a big shot but he is nobodys archenemy, he is a higher rank member of the guild.

I like the new changes, but I still think I'd be better to see a solid block of villains instead of going back and forth because some are minors, that's why wikipedia invented sub headers--201 21:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Limb stated he was "between arches", and Watch and Ward had met up with Dr. V in the briefing room without any care for him. Manservant only did what Underbheit said. I'm going to change it up a bit and try to keep the same layout -th1rt3en 21:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Im going to keep manservant in Underland since Undergound no longer exists since Baron has been overthrown and Manservant might no longer be a servant. -th1rt3en 21:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Well you got a point there with Manservant, although I'd think he is likely to follow ünderbheit. Can we take the organizations to an independant article? As the navigation bar seems to indicate, organizations is a separate topic.

Watch and ward really don't care for venture, neither does Limb, but when the Monarch dared him (or more like just because the monarch dared him) all the guild members went berserk on the ventures. That kind of apathy and disregard for a person is evil enough for me. Besides if you work for such organization like the guild, whatever the reason (apathy, wanting to be evil, urge t kill, etc) you're evil. If the evil computer face appears once more I think it'b be very necesary to make the guild section to group all members.--201 08:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm also not sure about archenemies and henchmen, specially if the only henchmen are Dr. girlfriend, 21 and 24. Watch and ward and manservant are henchmen and are not included and king gorilla is neither an arch nor a hencmen. Because of the x-mas special Tiny joseph does qualify as hencmen.--201 08:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of

I'd like the page to be re-named List of Characters from The Venture Bros.. That's the way most list of characters are named.--201 20:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

can do. -th1rt3en 20:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks, you're the best, man--201 20:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I feel happy about the way the article is right now. It's not my way at all but there is something about it that makes me glad.--201 00:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, after watching viva los muertos. I'm even more glad, the villains/friends organization I was proposing wouldn't be logical. Dr. Venture is as much of a bad person as the Monarch or Ünderbheit. Venture is an egocentric bastard with no respect for life, God or even his own family, Brock kills and fucks to fill his void and their enemies kind of see that. So I like the current organization even more.--201 19:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General Manhowers

With his second appearance and his chat over the phone with Dr. Vanture in the last episode, I think is safe to say Manhowers is a recurring character. From the phone call and his appearance in the first episode, we can infer he is probbably Dr. Ventures main client. Of cource since we can't be sure I only wrote that "he is ONE of Dr. Ventures main clients", which I think it's safe to say. That's of course, if you guys don't think otherwise. Feel free to rephrase me if you feel it's necesary.--201 08:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mike Sorayama

I wrote this for the list of secondary characters. Is it ok or would you guys like to rephrase it?

Mike Sorayama: A former College friend of Dr. Venture, Pete White, and Baron Werner Ünderbheit. At, College, he is target of mean jokes, each played by every one of his friends and Brock Samson, so several years later, at present day, Sorayama fakes his own death in order to gather and he kidnap the four of them at the funeral. After the Samson and Dr. Venture broke free and the original Team Venture arrived with the Venture Brothers to rescue them, they discover the kidnaper is a robot while the real Sorayama is actually dead and planned all before dying.

--201 20:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smallville

Here is another reference to follow as template in the List of secondary characters from The Venture Bros.: Smallville Characters Season One.

Every article is going to be different, it's whatever works for the show. VB tends to have a lot of one-time characters, simply because the creators do so. If we listed every one-time character like that the article would be too big, in my opinion. A short description works fine for them for now. A template/box style list would also work well and might look a bit more organized. -th1rt3en 23:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, yes, that's fine. You did a great job nobody can take that away from you. I'm just expanding horizons a litle. Smallville doesn't have linking headers, however, lately I've seen some articles with linking headers, so we're fine if we stick with your way.--201 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tiny Joseph's crime

Can someone explain to me why every time I mention the crime Tiny Joseph is incarcerated for (passing photos of Macaulay Caulkin as money), it is deleted? Is it a factual thing or a style thing?

[edit] Merge with organization from the Venture Bros.

Since this split was done by a sockpuppet of a blocked user, I've just reintegrated the two articles. CovenantD 20:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've placed the minor organizations into the secondary cahracter article -th1rt3en 20:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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