Talk:List of cathedrals in the United Kingdom

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[edit] Pre-date

Many of these predate the Church of England. Surely we can find a better section heading. Rmhermen 20:17, Jun 15, 2004 (UTC)


I originally used the heading Church of England as there was no real break in succession between the pre-reformation church and the church as organised after Henry VIII's break from Rome.

It also being true, however, that the church in England pre-reformation could not be called "The Church of England" in the way the phrase is used today, I have amended the heading to what I consider a more accurate reflection without detracting from the original tenet. --JohnArmagh 22:10, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

But many Church of Enlgand Cathedrals weren't pre-reformation cathedrals, so the current heading is also slightly mis-leading. There are Old Foundation cathedrals, which were pre-Reformation cathedrals; New Foundation, which were raised to Cathedral status during the Reformation; and (those sometimes called) "Red-brick", 19th and 20th century cathedrals. Perhaps another symbol could be used to distinguish. Historically there were differences in the organisation (e.g. structure of the chapter) of the different types of cathedral, though I beleive virtually all have now disappeared with new statutes that were adopted form 2000 on. David Underdown 14:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scotland

I rather resent JohnArmagh reverting my changes to Scotland, so I am putting them in again and ask that they be left this time. This article has something of an Anglican bias, which on the whole is fair given the nature of the topic, but a bit of repect for other Christian traditions does not go amis. In Scotland the National Church comes first - that is proper, and is universally accepted everywhere from the WCC to to the protocol of the British coronation ceremony. And the Church of Scotland's cathedrals are still called cathedrals, and therefore are not "former", even if the word cathedral (like the word bishop) is used slightly differenly in Presbyterianism. --Doric Loon 10:00, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh yes, and the Iona Community was founded under the auspices of the Church of Scotland. It is now interdenominational, so I don't mind whether it is placed under the CofS or stands alone, but it certaily does not fall under the Roman Catholic Church.--Doric Loon 10:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I resent Doric Loon's contention (albeit a year ago) that his edits were irrevertable. Just because a building is referred to as a cathedral in common parlance does not make it a fact - especially when the fact is that the cathedral is specifically the seat of a bishop's throne (the cathedra) and the Presbyterian churches do not have bishops. --JohnArmagh 22:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WP:FLC

This looks like a decent candidate for a featured list, but it will need some references. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] nice page

Good work on this page, it looks great. And I can't help but notice that 10 of the pictures were taken by me. Woo!Soloist 20:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree - very good work done here - and it is now complete with References --JohnArmagh 19:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Worcester Cathedral!!!

List doesn't seem quite complete as no mention of one of the lovliest cathedrals in the country at Worcester? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.100.18 (talk) 12:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC).


Worcester cathedral has always been there - it is just that the word 'Worcester' was mistakenly removed when the thumbnail was edited on 3 Feb 2007. --JohnArmagh 15:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic Cathedrals

There's some work to do still on the list of Catholic cathedrals. The Ukrainian Catholic cathedral is listed in the wrong place - it should be listed with the other (Roman) Catholic cathedrals, even if it belongs to the Ukrainian (Byzantine) Rite rather than the Latin Rite. It's still part of the same 'organisation' as the other RC cathedrals.

On the other hand the 'cathedral' of the "Liberal Catholic Church" probably doesn't merit an entry appended to the list of bona fide Catholic cathedrals. This particular establishment strictly belongs to an outfit called the Reformed Liberal Catholic Church, founded way back in, er, 1999 and (like all similar bodies) riven by splits ever since; it's a bit unfair on the countless other similar groupings to make out that this one somehow uniquely has a 'real' cathedral.

Then some of the dating looks odd - how come all the cathedrals which came into being in 1850 (Salford, Shrewsbury, Nottingham, Northampton, Southwark etc.) are given that date as the date of foundation, except Birmingham, which puzzlingly has the date of 1839, eleven years before there was a Bishop of Birmingham? If the intention is to give the date of construction/opening/consecration/whatever of the building itself, then several other of the 1850 cathedrals have claims to an earlier date too.

C0pernicus (talk) 23:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)