Talk:List of camouflage patterns

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Contents 1 Needs more pictures 2 Divide by continents 3 Current issue 4 Duplication 5 Color versus Colour 6 Images 7 Rename 8 Conversion of all sections to table format: completed! 9 other users

[edit] Needs more pictures

I believe that more of the camo patterns listed here should be linked to articles with pictures of that camo pattern. --Redlock 14:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Definitely! I started the page in the first place to consolodate all the patterns in a central place so that users can see which patterns have pages and which don't and understand the concept better. I also created a category and wikilinked many of teh camo pattern pages together. I then proceeded to create several pages for specific patterns (where I could find information or public domain pics). It's up to the users to expand it as much as possible... that is the idea/joy of Wikipedia :-) --Deon Steyn 07:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Divide by continents

The list is growing nicely! I think we should keep the continental sub-division, because listing the patterns alphabetically is of limited use, if you know pattern name you can do a "find", but more likely you know the country or region and having like patterns together makes more sense? Deon Steyn 06:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I now have the continent further divided into country, this greatly helps reduce duplications and make the list far more useful.Deon Steyn 11:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current issue

If possible I think we need to highlight or at least note the current issue camouflage patterns for each country. And also where known, the service dates. Deon Steyn 11:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

If you have this data, go ahead. As I'm sure you know, solid dating is quite difficult with camouflage, Creation, trials, official vs. partial issues, and naming are often additional clouding factors. 81.104.47.20 20:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duplication

Some countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Iraq, Libya (and more) show up way too often to be realistic. I think we should only list a country if the specific camouflage pattern was actually standard issue for a length of time as opposed to it being used by some party in that country.Deon Steyn 11:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Color versus Colour

According to the Wikipedia Manual of Style's guidelines on alternate spelling due to the national varieties of English (Wikipedia:MOS#National varieties of English) the spelling on this page should be 1) consistently of one variety and 2) of the British English variety, because the article is not tied to one specific country and it was started using British English. I appreciate that this case is borderline, but these are the only guidelines we have to go by and we can't have some instances of the "color" and some of "colour" on the same page. Please see these guidelines and make a case for abandoning them or interpreting them differently on this talk page before reverting again. --Deon Steyn 09:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

" the spelling on this page should be 1) consistently of one variety and 2) of the British English variety" - if they are direct quotes or proper names, they should not be changed. I'd argue that the names of the camouflage constitute proper names and should not be edited. On a page about armoured divisions, it would be acceptable to have "US 2d Armored Division" and "British 2nd Armoured Division", I feel this applies here with the names of the camouflage.Michael Dorosh 13:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

what would make reading this article easier (at least for me!) would be a grid of camouflage patterns, something like the discography pages for the bigger bands, where one just clicks on the image and is diverted to the relevant page. This would also allow comparisons between patterns from the one page. If I knew how to do it I would offer to help, but I'm not that good. What do other people think? Stephenjh 17:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename

I think this article should be renamed to "List of military camouflage patterns" or it should include other camouflage patterns (hunting etc).

[edit] Conversion of all sections to table format: completed!

At last! I've completed conversion of all sections to table format! What do you think of my job guys?? --Henrickson ^{User talk | Contribs} 08:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice job! This now opens up the possibility of sticking in some thumbnail images somewhere in the table instead of interruping the tables? Maybe in an existing column (since table is already wide), perhaps name or notes... like so?

Germany (past and present)
Country/Timeline	Camouflage pattern	Used by	Notes	Other user(s)	Years used
West Germany (Federal Republic of Germany)	Flecktarn	Current issue of the German Armed Forces		Albania, Austria, Belgium, Romania

or

Germany (past and present)
Country/Timeline	Camouflage pattern	Used by	Notes	Other user(s)	Years used
West Germany (Federal Republic of Germany)	Flecktarn	Current issue of the German Armed Forces		Albania, Austria, Belgium, Romania

— Deon Steyn (talk) 10:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, I was planning to do it like this:

Germany (past and present)
Country/Timeline	Camouflage pattern	Used by	Notes	Other user(s)	Years used
West Germany (Federal Republic of Germany)	Flecktarn Place the pattern's name under the thumbnail	Current issue of the German Armed Forces		Albania, Austria, Belgium, Romania

Adding an extra column requires much more work (every section would need to be edited).

The next challenge will be to obtain pictures for patterns without pictures. I know a few websites where I can get those pictures and trace them in Adobe Illustrator, like I did for the M81 and M90. But first of all, I'll integrate the existing ones into the table. I think 50-60 px is a good thumbnail size. --Henrickson ^{User talk | Contribs} 00:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] other users

Does this refer to current users, or anyone who has ever used it? --AtTheAbyss (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The column "Other user(s)" lists countries other than the one under "Country" which both uses the pattern currently or has used it in the past. There are a lot of missing entries, and listing them all for each pattern would take a lot of time. This is where I count on you guys to do it for us! --Henrickson ^{User talk | Contribs} 18:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)