Talk:List of basic self topics

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1 The scientific and biological basis of self
2 Dante's Divine Comedy
3 Requested move
- 3.1 Survey
- 3.2 Discussion

[edit] The scientific and biological basis of self

It appears odd to me that self as a concept within neurobiology, genetics or 'hard-science' is not at least something that has different definitions within different branches of science (psychology is respectable in as much as it applies mathemathematical methods in regards to attempting to make sense of large data sets as occurs within statistics).

In particular, one could argue that there are many aspects of self that are deeply intertwined with genetic notions (for example, a whole variety of character traits and other traits have been often remarked as being hereditary - intelligence, for example, being the most controversial trait that has significant hereditary association).

[edit] Dante's Divine Comedy

Does anyone know what translation of Dante's Divine Comedy was used for this article?

[edit] Requested move

Please note the following discussion from Wikipedia:Requested moves, which may ultimately have a bearing on the location of this page (Dekimasuよ! 00:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)):

Lists of basic topics, Lists of topics, and List of glossaries were moved to portal space completely out of the blue and without any discussion taking place prior to the move. A discussion is underway at Wikipedia:Lists concernng the apparent contradiction between lists and WP:ASR (the guideline cited as the reason of the move). Please move the lists back to their original locations until it is decided they should be moved from their original locations. Thank you. The Transhumanist 22:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The main discussion over which namespace they belong in is at Wikipedia talk:Contents. I've asked for help with this issue at dozens of places over the last few months (namespace/list policypages, pumps, mailing list, individual admins, an RfC) without any solid consensus that The Transhumanist agrees with developing. More feedback there would be much appreciated. The other discussion that TT refers to is at Wikipedia talk:Lists#Contradiction between Wikipedia:Lists and Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. --Quiddity (talk) 21:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below, and general idea remanded, per the discussion above. That is not to say that there shouldn't be an article at Self. Dekimasuよ! 00:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

List of basic self topics → Self — This is the best general article about the concept of the self —Ewlyahoocom 08:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support most of the links to this page would support this. Ewlyahoocom 08:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Oppose. First, this is a list, not an article, and naming conventions for lists are they always start with "List of". Second, people searching for "Self" article would find it helpful to be directed to the dab page, since that contained all the articles named "Self" (before you removed them.) Crazysuit 01:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Must it remain just a list? There's huge overlap between:

Self (sociology) "...the self refers to an individual person from the perspective of that person..."
Self (psychology) "...in general the self refers to the conscious reflective personality of a person..."
Self (philosophy) "...broadly defined as the essential qualities that make a person distinct from all others..."
Self (spirituality) "...the self that is the ego...and the self which is sometimes called the "True Self", the "I" (or "I AM"), the "Atman", the "Observing Self", or the "Witness"..."
Soul "...the self-aware essence unique to a particular living being..."

Can't we have a nice article that summarizes and compares all of these & others? Ewlyahoocom 07:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I wish to contest this. It is part of WP:LOBT. Auroranorth (!) 13:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Any additional comments:

There first 9 links on the disambiguation page seemed to be developing into an duplicate of the article at List of basic self topics. I've already moved the articles and redirected. If there's opposition I can undo it. If there's support an administrator will need to do the move. Ewlyahoocom 08:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It would make sense to replace those links since the disambiguation page should list all articles named "Self". Most people won't want to search through a huge list like this to find those articles. Crazysuit 01:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.