Talk:List of assault rifles

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This article was nominated for deletion on 11 March 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 SKS removed from the list 2 Common format for names using dashes 3 Syncing 4 SS-1 5 Proposed new format 6 New design 7 SCAR

[edit] SKS removed from the list

I removed the SKS from the list as it does not meet the criteria for being a proper assault rifle.

[edit] Common format for names using dashes

I'm not entirely sure where dashes belong, and when. I put dashes in for the ones I know are military designations (M-16, M-14), and didn't put any in where they didn't exist in the guns' respective pages. If I screwed up something or there's a better way to organize something here, please do fix it.

[edit] Syncing

This page is currently synced with Category:Assault rifles. I'll try to sync it with "List of firearms" once the parenthetical information is over, probably just by grepping for "assault rifle" or something like that.

[edit] SS-1

The SS-1 link redirects to a page about the SS-1 Scud. There is an SS-1 Rifle, but I'm not sure how to link to it.

[edit] Proposed new format

I took the first part of this list and turned it into a table with a bit more info and a lot more visual appeal. Do you think it's worth doing the whole page in this style? Since response was positive I am moving ahead with the redesign. It should be ready to move to the article page within 24 hours. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 23:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC) 23:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Moved to article page

-- OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 20:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC) 20:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Definitely so, and I think it may be possible to include some more information in addition to what you're showing here. Nice work! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm fairly unfamiliar with this subject area, but the table looks good to me. You can make the table sortable by turning class="wikitable" into class="wikitable sortable" . I might leave off the "Major users" column if it proves to be contentious. --Pixelface (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• The table's not bad, but if you want to fend off the deletion crowd, put the information in context with a little bit of narrative, and write it as if speaking to an audience that knows almost nothing about weapons. Not a lot required, perhaps a little bit about Kalishnikov and about FN, perhaps an explanation about the differences in ammo. Toss in a source or two, such as one of the books cited in the assault rifle article. Good luck. Mandsford (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks nice... nice touch with the flags and such. Rarelibra (talk) 20:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, now that's what I'd call a good list! I love it! If you want my help, just let me know. Kimu 21:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• UPDATE I have added a line for additional info about each rifle to allow those unfamiliar with the material to more easily find what they are looking for. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 21:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC) 21:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

• That is certainly a worthwhile approach. Making the table sortable and the data wikilinked would be even better. I'll withdraw my AfD request if we can replace the current content with that. Sandstein (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm on it! Give me 24 hours and I'll have it done. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 23:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC) 23:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort! I propose that we format the comments field as a proper column of its own, so that the table as a whole can be made sortable. This would allow the user to find all US assault rifles, list the most modern ones, etc. Sandstein (talk) 06:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• Still milcruft, but then I'd rather see the whole category replaced with 'assault rifles are medium-sized firearms useless for hunting'. Seriously, though, I can't see any particular reason why this version shouldn't exist, so Keep switching that in. Eithin (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 03:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New design

I just took the new page design live on the article page. It is basically just an amplification of the previous list except that I removed the red links or any link that redirected to another rifle already listed elsewhere. I also ran across a couple of assault rifles not on the list and added them. The page is still not finished and some of the entries still lack some of the information, but I will continue to add content to the page in the coming days including a proper introduction and probably some more rifles as well. It has been suggested that the general information now located below the rifle's entry be moved to the side so the page can be made sortable. I like the idea, but on my old 1024x768 display it makes the table awfully cramped. I realize the great majority of systems display at much higher resolutions and if someone else wants to do it, I guess I won't complain, but I couldn't bring myself to create a page that looked like butt on my own (really old) screen.
Phew! That was a lot more work than I thought it would be!
Big thanks to everyone who supported me on this!
--OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 16:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC) 16:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SCAR

Um... should't the SCAR be called the MK. 16 or MK. 18 depending on which varient? I say this because, to my understanding, SCAR was the name of the competition not the rifle itself.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The competition was called SCAR, but so is the rifle as shown on the manufacturer's website. OlenWhitaker • ^{talk to me} or _don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 23:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC) 23:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a bunch mate.13Tawaazun14 (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)