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[edit] Turkey

Turkey is in continental Asia.

Turkey is partially in Asia and partially in Europe. The Asian part is bigger, I guess by population as well as area. I think Russia would have a larger population in its European part. But really I don't see why this list needs to be classified by continent, when airlines are not exactly constrained by such boundaries. ( 19:12 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Basically agree. Economic ties (which is also largely affected by geography) is more relevant than boundaries of continents. — Instantnood 10:15, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Probably for no other reason then helping to create a more manageable list. And yes, I would classify turkey under Asia too.--Huaiwei 10:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Difficult question. The accession of Turkey to the EU will make it more complicated. Fortunately it's still long time to go. :-D — Instantnood 10:47, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed difficult, but as far as geographic regions are concerned, Turkey is still largely considered Asian. Until major atlas publications around the world start listing Turkey as European and not Asian, wikipedia should not be the one making definitions for them.--Huaiwei 16:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sorted by sovereign States

This begins with User:Huaiwei's edit to move Hong Kong and Macao under the PRC [1], (and Greenland under Denmark [2] on the list of national airlines). While I don't entirely agree with it, for consistent sake I moved all non-sovereign entities (e.g. Guam, Cayman Islands, Faroe Islands) to their corresponding sovereign States. Comments and opinion are welcome on whether they should be sorted by country (the general sense of the meaning of "country"), or by sovereign States, as it is at the time being. See also talk:list of national airlines#Sorted by sovereign States. — Instantnood 10:15, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Meanwhile if there is any dependent territory which is not generally part of their corresponding sovereign States, please modify it accordingly (e.g. the Cayman Islands is not listed under "United Kingdom" but "Overseas territories of the United Kingdom"). — Instantnood 10:20, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
The most important thing surely is the ease of finding the country (however you define it). The majority of users wouldn't know how to find a country through its sovereign state, but would expect to see it listed in the area it belongs. Ardfern 19:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I noticed most of these edits on this list, except for Hong Kong and Macao, were undone, but grouping under sovereign states is still an ongoing event being done by user:Huaiwei on other lists by countries. — Instantnood 07:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC) (modified 17:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC))
I agree, they should be listed under their soverign state, with a heading for the country/area itself. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 17:03, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm fine with both ways, as long as it's a community consensus, and is applied to all current lists by country on Wikipedia (with the title renamed from ..by country to ..by sovereign state if necessary). — Instantnood 17:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Quite curious, but was there concensus to undo what was done before whereby entities were grouped according to sovereign state? --Huaiwei 17:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps not.. but that's obviously a norm, if not unwritten conventions, for lists by countries (note: countries ≠ sovereign states) on Wikipedia to be presented in this way, until some started targeting at Hong Kong and Macao. — Instantnood 17:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
"unwritten conventions"? Seems like a paradox in itself.--Huaiwei 18:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Republika Srpska in the list

I think Republika Srpska should be removed from the list, since it is not an independent country. However, dependencies such as the Faeroe Islands should be kept on the list because the Faeroes are very autonomous. "Air Srpska" should be put into the list for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[edit] Helicopters

A debate from Template talk: Airlines of Canada. Are helicopter companies airlines? There was one listed on here, but I removed it. --Image:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 06:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

As the other side of the debate, I believe scheduled helicopter companies are airlines (though there are an incredibly low number of such companies), as they transport people through the air. HeliJet was listed here (and incidentally does provide some fixed wing passenger service but this isn't the majority). Ben W Bell 07:38, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
It is the opinion of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airlines that they are an airline if they have an IATA code. Ben W Bell 07:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
So what about all the airlines that have ICAO codes only?? There a very large number in the List. Ardfern 18:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
My mistake, it goes for ICAO codes as well I just forgot to mention that. Ben W Bell 07:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Response to RfC

There has not been a clearly stated discussion on this page for a few months, but given the edit history I assume that the question is whether territories such as Greenland and Hong Kong, which are part of a larger country such as Denmark or China, should be listed alphabetically or directly under their home country. I favor an alphabetic listing - reading through the list, I would either expect to see Hong Kong based airlines within the China list or, most likely, alphabetically under H. Having H after China but before East Timor seems out of place to me! InvictaHOG 07:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I would think this discussion is not so much about where someone would expect an entry to be, but why this expectation arises. If there is a preference for one display option, please do indicate the reasoning behind it as well. Thanks! ;)--Huaiwei 17:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I like the current arrangement of listing territories separately, but there should be more pointers like the one that points from China to Hong Kong and Macau. Every country should point to it's territories and vice-versa. ironcito 04:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Instantnood and Huaiwei

I've banned you both from this article, it is quite obvious it is in order, you both continue to revert each other with comments being made in edit summaries instead of where they belong -- on the talk page. You haven't posted anything here in over two weeks yet continue to revert each other, hence, I'm banning you both from editing this one. --Wgfinley 05:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Guy. This is actually discussed above, but user:Huaiwei has failed to accept the outcome. — Instantnood 20:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
And what was the outcome?--Huaiwei 10:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AJ Air of Malaysia?

I never heard about AJ Air before. Last time I was in KL, the only airlines operate out of KUL are Air Asia and MAS. And if this airline did exist, it should mention in news, but I couldn't find anything about AJ Air in news. I think this is just another vandalism. Please remove it.141.213.66.173 06:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North America Stolen

Anybody know who has moved North America and South America into America when this is a list of airlines by continent ! (presumably they will come back and correct the heading links! MilborneOne 22:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalisim

Removed 'Eric Sucks' from United Kingdom airlines. Not an airline so far as I know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.141.111 (talk) 14:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Photos

Anybody know why this list is turning into a photo gallery ! - I think most them can be removed. Any comments before I delete the majority of them ? do we need just one or two for each continent ? this article is large enough without photographs that dont really add to the value. MilborneOne 11:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Russia

Is their a reason why all the russian airlines have been removed and replaced with just a link? MilborneOne 21:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Costa Rica

Since when is Costa Rica a part of Africa? --Hubertgui 15:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Costa Rica was in twice - merged. MilborneOne 17:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canada

WHERE IS CANADA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.83.76 (talk) 06:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Canada appears to have been deleted by an IP user - I have put it back as it was. MilborneOne 14:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airline Ticketing Codes

May I suggest adding, to the standard airline information box for each airline article, a field containing each airline's ticketing code? For example, American Airlines is 001, Lufthansa is 220, Air China is 999, etc.

Here is a list, though I do not know if it is accurate or complete. http://www.siber.com/sib/travel/airline-codes.txt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.62.34 (talk) 00:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is really for talking about the list of airlines, if you have a suggestion about airline articles then please bring it up in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines. MilborneOne 14:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contents error

How do you make "Australasia and the Pacific" link properly from the contents list to the body? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jddriessen (talk • contribs) 16:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split sections

An IP user has added a request to split out Canada, China and the United States, would appreciate if he/she could add something to the talkpage on why they think they should be, thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 17:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I added a request to split United Kingdom to a single section. The sections of Canada, China, United Kingdom and United States are too large and the size is too big. -- 12:47, January 7, 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.197.90 (talk)
If the split article was going to have more detail or a table comparing them (size, # of aircraft, passenger numbers, etc.), I'd vote yes, but as it is now, I think it would create confusion to separate them out. (Then we have to debate what the size cut-off for splitting the lists out is and make sure we're fair to all other countries, etc. More trouble than helpful.) cluth (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Sort of this is what I was thinking. It already exists, but it's different than splitting out the plain list, as the list includes minor airlines that aren't on this page. No need to duplicate what's already there, and the article titles could get confusing (actually, I would vote to move the article I linked to to "Comparison of large North American airlines" or similar). cluth (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
OK I would agree it is to large, just dont agree that splitting of the big countries would help. Users can use the Category structure to find airlines of each country. It could be split into Asia/Europe/Africa etc but even then it should not be more than a simple lists. It is just to help users find articles and should be kept simple. Nothing wrong with adding links to a see also section to articles with details like the Largest Airline in foo type stuff. MilborneOne (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Please refer to List of airlines in Ukraine, List of airlines in Serbia, and List of airlines in Russia. I actually Afd'ed the Ukraine and Serbian lists, using the same line of thinking about categories, but the community at large believes these structured lists are preferable over simply lists. Therefore I have no problem with ALL countries having their own lists, as it can also be a useful article development tool --Russavia (talk) 11:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I think Russavia has a good point it might help develop redlinks, should this article just be a link to each List of airlines of foo articles ? MilborneOne (talk) 12:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Although I am converted to the idea of Russavias about links to airlines of - I do not think the inclusion of random navboxes is the right idea! I have removed them pending discussion . MilborneOne (talk) 13:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This whole airline section is a mess

the list boxes offer a far more expediant and effective way of looking up airline information by country.... I tried!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.172 (talk) 18:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input - I would suggest you read the comments above where it has been suggested that we link to List of airlines of foo and not to navboxes. A page full of navboxes is, in my opinion, not a good way to go. Not sure why you think it is a mess, is it wrong, not complete or you just dont like it? MilborneOne (talk) 19:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:AIRPORTS has a related page: List of airports. That page would be enormous if it just listed all airports like this page, so they've turned it into a disambig page, with links to a variety of list pages; List of airports by IATA code (which is in turn divided up into 26 pages by alphabet), Category:Lists of airports, etc. I think that sort of thing would work here. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 15:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Any further thoughts in dividing this page up? - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 15:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree we should create List of airlines of foo and refer out to them as well as the other lists listed at the top of the page. MilborneOne (talk) 13:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I have created List of airlines in Iran, and I see that MilborneOne has created List of airlines in the United Kingdom. I am currently working on the Chinese airline list, and will take on board the Japanese list after that, and then will get the CIS airline lists done. Perhaps other editors can also take a few on board, but advise what lists will be worked on here, so that others aren't working on the same lists at the same time as others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Russavia (talk • contribs) 17:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, I'll pitch in too. One question, is it "List of airlines in..." or "List of airlines of..." ? - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 23:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I created List of airlines of the United States. This section was big and I moved to its own article. -- ApprenticeFan (talk) 12:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I also created List of airlines of Canada page. This section was very big from this article. -- ApprenticeFan (talk) 12:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I created List of airlines of Germany earlier today. This section from this article was a medium size and I moved it on its own article. -- ApprenticeFan (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List formats

I'll bring it up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines, but I'm wondering how the lists should be formated. A number of varieties exist. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 04:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I've created Template:Airlines list boilerplate, which can be subst'd to quickly start new airline list pages, and keep them uniform. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 01:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hong Kong is a country?

When did Hong Kong become a country? Why aren't the Hong Kong airlines listed with the PRC airlines? Readin (talk) 15:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region not a country - but it still has its own Civil Aviation Department which for the purpose of this list still issues Hong Kong Air Operators Certificates not PRC ones. MilborneOne (talk) 19:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Please add Air Algerie

Please someone add the algerian airline. The related page exists already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.180.75 (talk) 02:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)