Talk:List of Yotsuba&! chapters

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[edit] Not Yet Released?

I just read those chapters up to 45, so I think 'in process' would be more correct.

But the volume itself isn't in any process. It's not yet released, although the chapters that will eventually appear in it are being serialized in Dengeki Daioh. - Omnisentry 10:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, now I see what you're saying. The way it's set out makes it seem like we're saying that neither the volume nor the chapters within it are released yet. - Omnisentry 10:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Turns out there's a template to tell people that the list is incomplete {{Inc-up}} I've placed it in Vol 7 and removed the 'Not Yet Released' bit, seems like this should be good. - Omnisentry 13:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I'm considering adding a couple pictures, such as of a calendar on the wall or the Fireworks poster, showing how the dates are established. No more than two or three, as samples. What do people think? —Quasirandom 18:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Given the cover pictures and the new table format, this is clearly a thought that only got nowhere. —Quasirandom 14:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

What do you say about formatting the bulletted chapter lists into tables, like the one below? HertzaHaeon 20:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

(table moved to article) HertzaHaeon 00:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense to me -- though it makes impossible an upgrade I've been thinking about, which is to use the nihongo template for the chapter titles. The column heading for the Date column needs to make it clear that's the internal date, rather than the date of publication. Omnisentry, what do you think? —Quasirandom 20:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I think the nihongo template can still be used. See the first two chapters in the table above. I can't really think of a good, short alternative for the Date other than "Story date". I'll go with it for now. HertzaHaeon 12:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Not bad. I've tweaked the code/format a little. The parens around the nihongo kinda bug me, but I'm not sure that's a problem. —Quasirandom 18:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Another thing to think about is whether to use the Japanese or English covers. —Quasirandom 18:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
What do you think of putting the cover into the table like this? Also, I suggest english covers since it is the english Wikipedia, after all. HertzaHaeon 16:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks pretty good. I've tweaked the column widths, to give more space to the Japanese titles. For the covers, we'll have to use the Japanese covers for those not yet out in English. —Quasirandom 16:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
BTW, now that we've started using this form (good job, btw), we should delete the cover image from the mockup. Wikipedia policy doesn't allow non-free images anywhere but in the articles themselves, including in talk pages. Do you need it here anymore? —Quasirandom 23:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Good catch. I removed it all. HertzaHaeon 00:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, while we're on the subject, shouldn't the translations of the titles match the official translations? They're different in a couple places. (Okay, so that's not really the same subject.) —Quasirandom 20:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess they should. I'll leave that to someone else, though. HertzaHaeon 12:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. —Quasirandom 23:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Good job HertzaHaeon -- the page does look a lot better this way. Now if we could fill citations for these unverified dates.... —Quasirandom 18:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Looking at the uncollected chapters, and how they're handled for other series, I think I prefer the bullet list version instead of this table. In a table like that implies a certain parity with the collected chapters -- and a certain finality -- which they don't (yet) have. —Quasirandom 00:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess, but a bullet list with at least three pieces of information per line (titles and date) is hard to read. Maybe we could make the uncollected chapters table different somehow? There's no cover image of course, which helps a bit. Maybe a slightly different background color? HertzaHaeon 21:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, there's a quick test with a greenish color now. Green because, well... It's obvious isn't it? ^_^ HertzaHaeon 22:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. How about combining the English and Japanese title columns (going back to using the nihongo template) called Title, and then narrow the table to, say, 75% of the page width? —Quasirandom 22:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I personally think it's much clearer to have the titles seperated. I also think the color is enough to seperate the table, and still being consistent and easy to read. HertzaHaeon 23:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I bid four columns, green, and narrower. —Quasirandom 23:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks good! HertzaHaeon 11:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing dates

Yanno, to evade the whole no original research rule, we really need to source those dates, as best we can. I've started converting some of the comments into references, but we also need to recreate the evidence for (especially) the early chapters. Feel free anyone to jump and continue, as I poke at it. —Quasirandom 16:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

And here's an example of why we need to source these puppies. Chapter 18 is the first day of the Ayases' three days away for O-bon, and per ch 20 they return the day before 16 Aug. Working backwards, that would make chapter 18 take place on the 13th -- unless there's another source I'm missing. Can anyone shed some light on this? —Quasirandom 18:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the date to the 12th, pending other evidence the contrary. —Quasirandom 22:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Another: Can it really be established that all the yon-koma between chapters 24 and 25 take place on one day? Yotsuba draws a tsukutsukuboshi sometime after dinner in chpater 24 and before chapter 27, and picks up the soccer ball before chapter 27. Otherwise, though, they seem to jump about in time. —Quasirandom 19:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

This, too, I've edited into uncertainty. If it can be established that all the strips all take place in-between the events of chapters 24 and 25, that will establish the exact date of the dinner of chapter 24, but until then, we've got nothing verified there.

I've gone through volume 2 carefully, and I can't find any way to identify the dates as given. Can anyone supply what I'm missing? (and any others not yet verified) —Quasirandom 18:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I've identified a couple, but others are either fuzzy or at this point completely uncertain. Rather than perpetuate unverifiable information, I've edited to indicate same but left the original dates in comments, in case someone comes by with verification. —Quasirandom 02:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of the nihongo template

I don't know if what I just did with the template for the japanese titles counts as misuse or what, but it doesn't exactly follow the template's order of arguments: Help:Japanese/Editing#Usage_in_articles. It looks better to have the japanese characters first, IMO. I guess someone who knows the japanese style guidelines better should decide. HertzaHaeon 18:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Even if it doesn't follow the guidelines, it's still a clever hack. I see what you mean about the appearence, though it looks a little odd to have the literal translation in italics. —Quasirandom 18:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
And here's the answer to the question. —Quasirandom 22:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
The nihongo template does seem very unnecessary, yes. I cleaned up the japanese titles for now, with the power of regular expressions. HertzaHaeon 23:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review to FL?

Can anyone think of a reason to not to apply for a peer review, with the goal of making this a Featured List? As in, like, obvious things to do first? —Quasirandom 20:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Assuming the results of the peer review stay stable, I'll put this list up for FLC later this week. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Items from the peer review

A place to collect discussion of things brought up, with subheadings. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Volume summaries

Apparently, FLC reviewers really think these are important. We can draft them here before moving them to the main page. [deleted] —Quasirandom (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

With edited versions of the texts moved to the main page, I've deleted them here. If people don't mind. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates of chapters

FLC reviewers aren't going to like them. I feel strongly that they're essential. Let's figure out a way to present them in a way that explains that they're essential.

Part of the problem is that the best-practice table doesn't have rows for the chapters, but one row for bullet items. [deleted] —Quasirandom (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

With an edited version of the table format moved to the main page, I've deleted it here. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)