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The article List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on March 2, 2008 with a consensus to merge the content into List of Xbox Live Arcade games. If the merger is not completed promptly, List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date might be re-nominated for deletion.

To discuss the merger, please use this talk page.

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[edit] XBLArcade stories

Blobbies Wars - not announced for arcade. They would like to get it on the service. It's Mr Pants - I pulled that out from my pants. The only thing rumored is that Mr Pants is in a title for XBLA ~ Hexx @ XBLArcade.com--24.245.39.96 (talk) 07:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, I've updated the page. SeanMooney (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two tables

I separated the one giant table into two smaller ones. This should make it easier for readers to more quickly find the stuff they're interested in (some people are only interested in upcoming games, others want to see only released games). I think it should also make the sorting work a little bit better (in the released section at least) since there's no more TBA release dates and prices messing things up.

And it looks nicer since there's no longer any white-space/empty fields (those were all left blank for the upcoming games section). I also removed the Status part in released games section (since they all said Released). These changes make it more consistent with the Virtual Console page. Let me know if you have any problems with this. SeanMooney (talk) 07:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It's ugly, and the categories are missing, making it quite uninformative. I had a better idea on how to shrink the table, but it's impossible now. JAF1970 (talk) 01:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Categories are under "Genres". --MASEM 01:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It still looks extremely ugly. The prior version was better. Heck, the Xbox 1 Live Arcade list looks better than this. Yuck. I don't understand the desire to tinker with a format that looked good and most of all, worked. This new version gives me the opposite reaction - it makes me not want to look at it. JAF1970 (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
One of the reasons I made this is that someone pointed out that at the time there were three pages listing Xbox games, the one on the Xbox Live Arcade page , another page that listed them solely by date, and a third page that had future releases. Given the ability to use sorted tables, and the simplicity of moving a future game to release with almost no change in the format, suggests that the better way to present the data is one single concise table. Yes, that adds a column and takes out the genre headers, but this gives the user the ability to sort the data in several ways that they couldn't before. --MASEM 23:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rareware titles

GoldenEye 007, Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark have all been rumored online. I'm a little unsure how to add them to the list, if someone could do this. The link to my source is: http://n4g.com/xbox360/News-98053.aspx

Also, 'The Fast and the Furriest' by Rare has also been semi-announced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebomb 87 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, Goldeneye has been almost announced it is so rumored. And I loved that game, btw.142.165.59.39 (talk) 08:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused, The Fast & the Furriest is listed as a "Rumored", but GoldenEye isn't. I think GoldenEye has been more hinted at then The Fast & The Furriest. Otherranch (talk) 02:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, GE007 has been heavily rumored, but the XBLA port is no longer happening, which is the reason it's not listed. SeanMooney (talk) 06:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Per the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date, the relevant information from List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date should be merged into this list. Some suggestions as to what content that would be can be found in the discussion on the AfD page. FYI- Per the {{Afd-mergeto}} tag, "If the merger is not completed promptly, [List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date] might be re-nominated for deletion." (Guyinblack25 talk 17:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC))

I'd like to propose removing the Xbox Originals from the merged list(s). They already have their own list (List of Xbox Originals), and they're not Xbox Live Arcade titles in any normal sense (e.g. don't include 200 points worth of achievements). --Slordak (talk) 19:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
This merge doesn't make sense to me. It's redundant and significantly bloats the page size - every single game is needlessly listed twice now. The 'Released games' table can be sorted by release date so there's no reason to duplicate all the data like this. As for listing Xbox Originals, that is an entirely different/separate service and has its own dedicated article at List of Xbox Originals. The only thing that should (debatably) be merged into this page is the downloadable content releases. SeanMooney (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The redundant content was one of the main reasons why it was decided the two lists should be merged. Feel free to remove any redundant content that does not add to the list in its previous form. As you've already stated, some content belongs in other lists, like List of Xbox Originals. A link to the Xbox Originals could be included in the "See also" section though. One of the more common suggestion in the AfD was that any special dates or events could be written as prose in the lead of this list. Information like downloadable content specific to certain games, should not be included as information like that is best left for each games own article. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC))
I've removed the Xbox Originals and linked off to that page in the "see also" section instead. As for the few XNA games listed, they are also separate from Xbox Live Arcade and were just limited time downloads which were available for just a few days - I started a page two weeks ago for Xbox Live Community Games, which is currently just a redirect but will list those titles when the service officially launches at the end of this year. I also removed all of the full games (since they were duplicates), which leaves just the downloadable content releases remaining - so I renamed the section to "Downloadable content". Would like some feedback, is everyone happy with this or not? SeanMooney (talk) 23:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Happy? No. Angry and frustrated? Very. This merge doesn't make sense to me either. But there's no way to merge it into this page that brings back the usability of the list as it was in the now-defunct other page. So whoever wanted that merge and didn't care about the other list, I hope they feel better now knowing that they have successfully prevented everyone else from using it also. Is this really an improvement? 70.83.101.179 (talk) 07:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Well unfortunately, Wikipedia is not the place for everything, even if others think otherwise. I would also like to say there is nothing stopping someone from putting the old list on some free gaming wiki. Wikipedia's content is under the GNU Free Documentation License, which means text can be redistributed onto another website.
Also, a suggestion to help improve the list, I would also include any important dates or events in the lead of the list. Currently it is only one sentence and could some extra content like when did Xbox Live Arcade start? Was there anything special or notable about the launch? Is it on a schedule? Stuff like that to help give a general reader a better idea of what the list is about. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC))
Yeah! Who needs an encyclopedia to be informative? The NERVE! JAF1970 (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Why on Earth is it currently sorted by genre? No one cares about the genre of games they are buying. Please resort it by date, that's the only reason I ever read the article. It's difficult and cumbersome to roam around the XBLA interface to find what games were released in the last month, this article used to be a nice easy way to see what I've missed. Now, it isn't. It's just useless info for the sake of being complete :/ --86.130.30.163 (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems that you are unaware the table can be sorted in multiple ways. Read the instructions at the top of the page: "To sort by other columns, click the corresponding icon in the header row." If you'd like to sort them by date, all it takes is a single click. SeanMooney (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh wow! I didn't even know Wikipedia tables could do that. That's pretty neat. Strange that we used to have two tables at all, then, haha!--86.130.30.163 (talk) 16:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two more shooters

Add Ketsui and DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou Black Label. JAF1970 (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Forget it - they're retail games (!). JAF1970 (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmed games

The citation should be the Xbox.com page for Confirmed games. JAF1970 (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe the Xbox Live Arcade game page on Xbox.com is only created the week of it's released so that may not be that helpful. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 07:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
That's not true. There are some unreleased games on the Xbox.com page (Brain Challenge, Bliss Island and War World come to mind). JAF1970 (talk) 15:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
What about games that are mentioned in official Microsoft press releases? They often list the next several upcoming XBLA games in those. SeanMooney (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
If Microsoft issues a press release, sure. Otherwise, it's just an Announced game. But include the link to that, not the announcement url. JAF1970 (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Monopoly and Scrabble

There is an article in this month's OXM about Monopoly and Scrabble on page 86. I don't know if this is enough to raise the level about rumoured or not... but I'm sure you guys would know. 142.165.59.39 (talk) 22:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marathon and Marathon Infinity

For the record, at around 0:49:50 in the 2/28/2008 1UP Retronauts podcast (episode 37), Bruce Morrison (the Marathon: Durandal project lead) talks about how they're not sure there's a market for a port of Infinity, and how Microsoft seems to be mostly keeping away from M-rated games. So that's some evidence that it's not necessarily in development.

Also, the page currently cites this Rampancy post as the only source for the rumor; and the Rampancy post is just reporting this post, which says "It's up to Bungie and MS." and "I think if sales reach expectations it'll probably show up.". By my reading that was also a confirmation that it wasn't in development yet. -- DocumentN (talk) 05:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Add Size Requirements?

I've been scouring the internet looking for information regarding the sizes of the various XBLA games (specifically deciding whether to go 20GB or 120GB, but that's beside the point). As best as I can tell, this information isn't available online and can only be found if you currently have a 360. Would someone be willing/able to add another column to this table to include approximate download sizes of games? I would think this would be very useful information for many people. Phoenix00017 (talk) 04:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It is listed online, actually. MajorNelson.com lists the sizes of Arcade games in his posts here. There was a 50mb size limit from launch until March 2007. After that games could go up to 150mb. So all XBLA games right now are under 150mb (although the size limit has just recently been raised to 350mb). I don't think it's necessary to add game sizes to the table. SeanMooney (talk) 14:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I thank you for the link, but while some of them have this information, most of these posts do not appear to have the download sizes listed. Additionally, the information is rather messy and difficult to access, so I don't really think this is a good source. I'm probably going to get a 360 soon, so I can add this information when I do, if people think it'd be useful. In my mind, this is a large amount of information that is not readily available anywhere else on the internet, and as such would make sense for Wikipedia. Plus, I would be surprised if this limit isn't increased, and for anyone with a 20GB model these sizes could be noteworthy. However, I'm fairly new at content creation here, so I'll defer decision on whether or not to include it to someone who's a veteran around here. Phoenix00017 (talk) 02:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)