Talk:List of What If issues

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Article was listed on WP:VFD Sep 15 to Sep 21 2004, consensus was to keep. Discussion:

Nonencyclopedic. No context. Horrible title. RickK 22:00, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

  • I stuck a categorization on it- I'm pretty sure this is a list of comic books, or comic book sections, or somesuch. I agree, though- the title is unhelpful, the page is formatted badly, and the inormation is of dubious value without any context. Unless something changes it, I'd vote delete. -FZ 22:23, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • It looks like quite some effort went into compiling this list, and it's no worse than most other specialized "List of..." pages. The page just needs to be moved to a useful title. Keep. RSpeer 23:40, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - a list of subjects of a fiction anthology series is a helpful complement to an article on the series itself. (Drinking game: reading this list, take a shot whenever you see the words "killed", "died", "lived" or "fought".) -Sean Curtin 00:45, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - improvements after vfD notice give it context and make it as encyclopedic as any other list here. Key45 01:00, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: fancruft. Another one for the fan sites. I was hoping to see What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly? & I was sorely disappointed. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:48, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Looks fine to me. It's an article on a long-running series. We're not talking an article on each issue, or a character who appeared in one panel of one issue here. — Gwalla | Talk 16:56, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment. Is it to be generally understood that an editor can produce a list of individual issues of any general circulated or scholarly publication with a few annotations and expect it to be accepted here: for example articles on Time Magazine by decade with short indication of lead stories, People Magazine, Biblical Archaeologist, Punch, Popular Mechanics, All-Story, Reader's Digest, Fantasy and Science Fiction and so forth? That such lists should exist is a very good thing. That they should be part of Wikipedia is more dubious. This perhaps should be hammered out in a standards discussion. If the answer is a strong yes, than List of What If? issues should probably stay. If it is a strong no, then it should probably be deleted. Such lists have generally not appeared in encyclopedias, but of course size constraints were reason enough to exclude such things. I wonder if such lists ought not be a separate Wiki project. Jallan 18:56, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. First of all, I'll admit my bias on this, since I started adding some information to the article. I didn't know there was this article, until the delete notice appeared. As one can see, it has improved greatly in the past day or so. Most of the issues now refer to the original comic that inspired them (something that might help those you read the comic but are unfamiliar with the background). However, if it is to be deleted, I can name several other articles on the Wikipedia that can be deleted also. Deletion because of it's "fan" material would elimate at least 90% of the articles that I see people add information to on Wiki everyday. Let's not forget the number of lists that appear on Wiki also. So if this article gets deleted, may I suggest deleting the following articles also. List of Friends episodes because it's just a "fan" related article and I didn't like the show while it aired and still don't now. List of episodes of The X-Files because it just repeats what can be found in The X-Files (season 1) through The X-Files (season 9); besides, it's just "fan" based information that never appears in encyclopedias. Mind Games because not only is it a bad album, it's not even well liked by most Lennon "fans". Makaveli: The Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory is another useless album article that could easily be incorporated into Tupac's article. Lists of people is just another list article of other lists (and you know how much space the combination must be using). Famous women in history because it is essentially an infinite list, whereas List of What If? issues has a finite number of entries, even if it a new series begins. There were other albums, TV shows, lists that I could have picked. Heck, I could have listed the articles on characters from single season TV shows or almost everything pertaining to video games. Since there's alot of fluff on Wiki, let this article that's not somewhat annotated stay. --signed an Anon
  • Keep. I suggest moving it to a more precise title, for example, List of What If? comic book issues. Andris 00:02, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)
    • I think it's more like List of Marvel Comics What If? issues. RickK 04:54, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep after possible renaming. This page is essentially a subpage of What If, which is perfectly encyclopedic. (If a little on the fancrufty side). • Benc • 07:19, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Rename - Tεxτurε 18:57, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, it's a great idea for a wiki-article. -- Old Right 22:50, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep! - Its a genuine article. -- Crevaner 23:10, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Could somebody explain why Old Right and Crevaner seem to be tag-teaming votes on VfD? It seems like every time Old Right votes (and every single one of his votes is Keep), Crevaner comes along just a few minutes later and also votes Keep. It's interesting that such a thing is happening on pages like this, which have been sitting there for a couple of days. RickK 19:33, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)
      • And they've both got virtually identical user pages too... what a coincidence. -Sean Curtin 23:39, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)
        • Oh, how can you say that... those are completely different American flag images, and completely different lists of right-leaning websites. And completely different... well, somewhat different... well, actually, very similar lists of articles which they have edited. And there are usually big fractions of an hour elapsing between Old Right and Crevaner's comments. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:42, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • We're getting off-topic here. Sockpuppeting issues like this should be discussed somewhere else, e.g. VFD talk, user talk pages, WP:VP, or WP:RFC. Besides, let's assume good faith. Perhaps they're friends that share a computer? This would explain the timing and the shared politics (though I fail to see how their politics have anything to do with this article being considered for deletion). • Benc • 20:56, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Rename to something less confusing. I don't think it's any sillier than any of the other lists or almost-useless pages (O, Yeah! The Ultimate Aerosmith Hits, anyone?) which I know is not a good reason to keep but as far as useless lists go at least this one is somewhat interesting if you like comic books (I always thought What If? was a great idea for a series but the actual comic books bored me to death -- it was always better to imagine, "Gee, What if that had happened?" than it was to actually see it happen). --Fastfission 00:06, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • CommentShould we even bother listing the issue and volume number? I think it would help a lot, along with a farely brief descirption of what happened. Kidney Stone 12:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

End archived discussion -- Graham ☺ | Talk 22:09, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Backup stories?

Some issues of volume one had untold tales of the Marvel Universe (or a similar title). These showed events in the distant past, like the first Celestial Host and the origin of the Titanian Eternals. What issues did these appear in?--StAkAr Karnak 04:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] There is a mistake on what if #24

Gwen Stacy's eyes are open but she was unconscious

[edit] #48 What If Daredevil Had Saved Nuke?

I wonder if it should be pointed out that this story, in a way, takes place in the mainstream Marvel universe? In the comic, 'our' Ben Urich is up late at night, pondering the whole Daredevil/Nuke sitution. At an apparent telepathic nudge from the Watcher, he goes on a whole 'fantasy' based on the title question. In the end we see him dismiss it all as just a story. But it, for lack of a better phrase, happened.

Lots42 15:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What if #9 (1978)

Added designation Earth-9904.--RedKnight 18:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)