Talk:List of West Bromwich Albion F.C. managers
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[edit] Moved out of main article
I've moved this out of the main West Bromwich Albion F.C. article as it was too unwieldy. This was pretty much a cut-and-paste. It now needs formatting correctly (in a table, with commentary trimmed down if not removed) and citations adding. --Jameboy 22:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Have now converted it to a wikitable. W-D-L records and more accurate dates still required. --Jameboy 17:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Review and how to improve
I suggest that you take a look at the article List of Aston Villa F.C. managers and the successful FLC nom. Main points though
- I think specific references are better than general references and they inspire more confidence in the article. That being said you need a secondary source to back up soccerbase stats that are older than 30 years as some of the dates can be estimates.
- The lead should conform to WP:LEAD and it needs to introduce the reader to the subject and prepare them for the higher detail in the article. See the Wikipedia:Featured list criteria for more info. Something along the lines of the history of the club, most successful manager, first manager, current manager and total number in history. See the Villa one as an example.
- One of the FL criteria is to have an image where appropriate, i suggest you add one of a manager if you can find one. (preferably free-use).
Done - You might want to think about having it as a sortable table and adding a win percentage for all the managers. Done
- Try and expand the headings to say matches, won, drawn, lost, instead of P, W, D. Some non-football enthusiasts might not know what they are. Done
Any questions can be left on my talk page. There are some more little things but this will do as a start. Woodym555 15:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- Agree with what Woody's said above. Thing to do in my opinion is concentrate to start with on making your list as accurate as you reasonably can, and making it informative and well-referenced. You do that and you'll be most of the way to featured list (and the only real difference between a featured list and an accurate, informative, well-referenced list is the little star that nobody notices anyway ;-).
- You'll notice that one of the requirements of the Wikipedia:Featured list criteria is for the list to be "comprehensive" and "factually accurate". What this means in your case is get the numbers right, which means get them from a reliable source, preferably check them against an independent reliable source, and make sure you know what it is that your source is actually counting. Have a look round, see what's available - club site, some clubs have fansites with wonderfully reliable stats (unfortunately some don't), fchd, RSSSF, Football Facts & Figures, books, ...
- Take Alan Ashman, manager 1967-68 to 1970-71. Soccerbase tells you 182 games. But if you look at the fchd West Brom page here, you will see 4 x 42 = 168 league games + 20 FA Cup + 15 League cup = 203 competitive. The problem with Soccerbase lies in the little note that says "NB: Only games with a date in the database counted here"; if you look at results/fixtures for 1967-68, you'll see League cup and early rounds of FA Cup don't have a date, so aren't counted.
- If you're including the lesser cups, Associate Members Cup and the like, you need to be sure your source includes all the rounds, group stages etc of these. Soccerbase might be all right for that, though it'd help if they had an index page of what they hadn't got round to including yet. If your Matthews book doesn't have that sort of stuff, he's recently done a "Complete Record" for West Brom which will have. Still check it against something else, though, cos if my Birmingham one is anything to go by, they could use a decent proofreader.
Oct 2007 Update Thanks very much for the comments above, I found these very helpful. I've incorporated most of the more cosmetic stuff, such as the expanded headers and the sortable table. I've also added an image, although I really hope a nicer one can be found. I still need to expand the lead and thoroughly research the stats themselves. --Jameboy 22:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- Jan 2008: Update on images - the Robson image (with garish tracksuit) was replaced with Everiss some time ago. --Jameboy (talk) 00:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
