Talk:List of Wario video games

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[edit] "Appearances"

I assume we will not make List of Koopa Troopa apperances, right? Games such as Mario Party should not be considered Mario, Wario or Waluigi games. - A Link to the Past (talk) 14:23, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Why no list of Koopa Troopa appearances? *shrug* Judgement call. Wario is a main character, Koopa Troopa is not. If you'd prefer, I'll make it explicit in the intro that this is every appearance of Wario instead of only games in which he stars, but I don't see any good reason to delete the cameos just because they're cameos. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 02:34, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm also extremely uncomfortable with the criteria you used to determine what is a "Wario game" and what is not; Wario is in the title of Wario Woods and Mario and Wario, but you felt the need to remove those. Let's stick with the complete list of Wario appearances, especially since there's no POV judgement call on what is a "Wario game" and what is not. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 03:05, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
A game which features Wario as playable is not necessarily a Wario game, and a game that merely has him in the title does not make him the star or even make the game partly a Wario game. The only reason no one considers SMB not a Bowser game is because he is not in the title. If Wario's Woods were called, let's say, Toad's Adventures Through Wario's Woods, it would clearly not be a Wario game, or if it were just Toad's Adventure, there would be no dispute over if it were a Wario game. A Wario game is a game where Wario stars in to the point that the game centers around him (if there is a second playable character, it is still a Wario game, just like people call SMB a Mario game despite Luigi). This SHOULD be List of Wario games, like all other List of (blank) games are setup. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't see why any of this is a reason to delete a clearly marked list of cameos from a list that supplements Wario. If you want to quibble about whether this or that game should be called a "Wario game," fine, but I don't see why this list should be a subjective one instead of an objective one.
In any case, pease stop reverting. You've been bold, there's an objection, and now is the time to stop and talk. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 19:44, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
It does not matter. If you were to take every list and count even the most miniscule of an appearance, every list would be huge. This article should be a list of Wario games, nothing more. Besides, the Cameo appearances is already listed at Wario. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
This is not every list. This is this list, and size is not a limit on its completeness.
You've advanced a mildly POV standard for what a "Wario game" is, and I can't see any reason that it's better than "a game in which Wario appears." Even if this list needed to be shortened, a simple, no-judgement-call standard would be "a game in which Wario is the antagonist or protagonist."
In the event that this list grew too long, it'd be easy to separate the cameos/Marioverse appearances from the starring appearances as a villain or hero, should this list grow too long, but there's no compelling reason to do so in this case. In fact, I don't see any reason a complete list of Mario appearances would be too long, if properly formatted; Wario is unlikely to ever overcome Mario in this respect. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 00:20, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I do not see why a Wario game should be considered a game that features Wario. A Wario game is a game that Wario stars in. Nothing more. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:33, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, explain why Mario Party is a Wario game. If it's a Wario game, then it's also a Dry Bones game, Koopa Troopa game, Lakitu game, Toad game, Goomba game, Mario game, Princess Peach game, Luigi game, Bowser game, Birdo game, Boo game, Whomp game, Thwomp game, Koopa Kid game, Donkey Kong game, Shy Guy game, Waluigi game, Princess Daisy game, Yoshi game, Toadsworth game, Toadette game, Chomp game, Ukkiki game, etc. I do not think anyone considers those appliable to Mario Party.
It is inappropriate to continue to revert a page after objections have been raised, and blanking/deletion after objections has been raised is bordering on vandalism. I realize you disagree with me about what should be included, but revert warring is not the way to go about it.
You are proposing a change to the status quo. You want to change the criteria of this list to "Games which star Wario," and the only reason you've offered is that other lists have similar criteria. Please provide a non-subjective definition of "starring," as well as a reason to change the criteria. You haven't even yet linked another list to compare this to, only a vague reference to "every other list."
"Wario game" is not a category or series. It's just a group of games with a shared attribute. This list was originally created as a list of all Wario appearances, with the starring appearances as a sublist. You're proposing a change of criteria based on the title, when the title was chosen simply because it was less awkward than "List of games in which Wario has appeared."
Asserting narrower criteria does no service to the reader; if a reader wants to see Wario's starring appearances, they are already in this list; if the reader is interested in Wario's appearances as an antagonist or Marioverse/cameo appearances, they are also listed. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 01:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
There IS a certain criteria - these are NOT Wario games. A Wario game would entail that Wario actually star in it. Mario Party doesn't even require a MENTION of him. If you want, you can go through the entire game and the only times you'd see any mention of him would be on the character select scene and in the credits. Mario Party and Kart have no starring characters in them. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Those aren't the criteria the list was written with. Your very narrow definition of "Wario game" does no service to the reader, again; in the event that the reader wants only a list of games starring Wario, that was already available in the longer list. Should the reader have a broader definition or a desire to see games in which Wario is the villain or makes a cameo appearance, the longer list also serves that reader.

I ask again, what service does a shorter list give to the reader? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 12:36, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


Weighing in, I don't see why the list cannot be as expansive as A Man In Black wishes it to be. The opening already allows that Wario isn't going to nessecarily be the main focus of the game, and could even be edited from "Wario has appeared in dozens of Nintendo-published games..." to "Wario has appeared (however briefly) in dozens of Nintendo-published games...". Everyone liked different characters in game universes, and its a disservice to the reader that has a Wario-fetish to prune the list down because of some arbitrary line of demarcation. I say this as a Wikiexclusionist even. --Syrthiss 12:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Another third-party observer here. I think A Man In Black is right to argue that imposing the criterion that Wario has to "star" in the game for it to make this list is subjective and POV. What one user considers "starring" another may not. The list should be inclusive. Furthermore, this will allow the "Cameo appearances" section to be removed from the Wario article, an improvement, in my opinion. BrianSmithson 15:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Wario is a sort of product, a Nintendo IP. As such I think that the List of Wario games shouldn't be fan service (wario-fetish, eek) that categorizes his involevement, but rather an account of Nintendo's use of him as a proprietary character in any game. --Anetode 19:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Perv. I didn't mean wario-fetish in that way...tho I suspect I could come up with some Koopa pr0n if needed. :) --Syrthiss 19:59, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Would anyone disagree that reverting to the complete version of this list would be inappropriate at this point? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 20:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

By all means, have bishounen post here, then. I wanted to make sure consensus was established before making any further reverts. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 21:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, Template:Wario series is considered to be a template for Wario games, so what is considered a Wario game here should be considered a Wario game there, and doing so would make the template unruly. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Then don't do it, the template could simply concern the series of games based on the character. Just because a game contains Wario does not mean it needs a template when a link to the character's page would suffice. Of course the layout and text size of the template could also be altered to accomodate every game Wario has ever appeared in while not making it seem unruly, but this would dilute the practicality of such a device. The same cannot be said of List of Wario games, however, as it is an extension (or at least corollary) of the main Wario page. --Anetode 01:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Use the main games only. Having a template with every game in which Wario is in (cameo or whatever) is not proper use of a template anyway. That's what a category is for. I agree with A Man In Black here. This list should be inclusive. K1Bond007 22:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wario Blast

I already mentioned this game months ago in the spin-offs. It is still there. Please check the entire game list before adding a title you believe is appropriate. --74.194.118.203 (talk) 06:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

Shouldn't this article be named simply "List of Wario games"? Kariteh (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)