Talk:List of U.S. presidential relatives
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Article listed on WP:VFD July 20 to July 26 2004, consensus was to move and keep. Discussion:
Inherently POV. Having a business that fails and being unable to repay a business loan is scandalous? Being mentally retarded is scandalous? Josh Cherry 03:39, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Disagree and vote to keep. 1) The page contains interesting data and 2) if something the subject of animated gossip then it is scandalous. Scandalous does not mean immoral or indecent, though scandal is often associated with perceived morality. : Vincent 04:20, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Firstly, the title is entirely POV with respect to the content. (Vincent, scandalous does actually mean disgraceful or causing damage to reputation, as per the OED). Secondly there is no good NPOV title you could list all the items together under because of how entirely unrelated they are. My best suggestion to create a similar article is "List of Presidential relatives accused/convicted of breaking the law", and cut out most of the entries. Another option is to create "List of Notable Presidential relatives" and greatly expand the list. In its current state, its patently POV, and merits deletion. —siroχo 05:57, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
- I didn't define scandal, I stated what it was not, and what I wrote is not incompatible with what Siroco wrote: damage to reputation. For instance, Billy Carter was in the news, and news stories about him did damage President Jimmy Carter's reputation, hence he can be called a scandalous relative. Same with Ron Reagan Jr, with Neil Bush, etc. It should stay. If you object to the word scandalous, then OK to rename it to Noteworthy relatives.
- I don't disagree that the list is trivial, but then trivia can be interesting, and at least this is a factual list about real people, and Wikipedia has so much trivial stuff. Keep it. : Vincent 06:13, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. It's interesting. It's not POV because it treats all presidential families equally. -SocratesJedi 06:53, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Move to List of Notable Presidential relatives. It's interesting and has lots of potential. -Plutor 11:18, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Move to list of notable U.S. presidential relatives (previous suggestions wrongly capitalised and US-centric); the list may include others who are not scandalous but notable for something else, and also point at the U.S. political families that are mentioned. Dunc_Harris|☺ 14:41, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Agree with the Move to list of notable U.S. presidential relatives. The info is interesting, but there are lots of relatives who have done good things, too. Ocon | Talk 17:08, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, rename it somehow. If they are/were related to a president, and made the news on that account, they can be on the list. Article has potential. Wile E. Heresiarch 22:56, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, but rename. Spectatrix 15:41, 2004 Jul 23 (UTC)
End archived discussion
- I guess we all have some skeletons in the closet but this article seems to go beyound a list.--Pomegranite ≤≥ 07:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
