Talk:List of Trinity Blood characters/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Fair use rationale for Image:Cain transformed.JPG 2 Fair use rationale for Image:Esther Trinity Blood.JPG 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Hugue.png 4 Fair use rationale for Image:KateScott.png 5 Fair use rationale for Image:LeonAsturias.JPG 6 Fair use rationale for Image:FrancescoMedici.JPG 7 Fair use rationale for Image:WilliamWordsworth.JPG 8 Fair use rationale for Image:AlessandroXVIII.JPG 9 Fair use rationale for Image:Esther Trinity Blood.JPG 10 Fair use rationale for Image:CaterinaSforza.JPG 11 Fair use rationale for Image:NoelleBor.png 12 Lilith Sahl 13 Brother Petros 14 Jessica Langston 15 Rosen what? 16 False Information+Vandalism 17 Latin 18 Cain Nightroad vs. Cain Knightlord 19 Copyvio Questions 20 Merge 21 Clean Up 22 Consistency of Headers 23 Images 24 Manga differences could use more noting.

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Fair use rationale added Collectonian 15:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Esther Trinity Blood.JPG

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Fair use rationale for Image:Hugue.png

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Fair use rationale for Image:LeonAsturias.JPG

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Fair use rationale for Image:FrancescoMedici.JPG

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Fair use rationale for Image:Esther Trinity Blood.JPG

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Lilith Sahl

Her name is Lilith Sahl. Not Lilith "Eve" Sahl. She wasn't anyone's mother figure, she was Abel's lover and soulmate. It's stated in the very beginning, RAM I: From the Empire, Abel is following his dead *lover's* wishes by Seth and in her profile in Canon the name "mother" is never used, she's flat out described as Abel's soulmate and dead lover. Don't try to Rem her. She's Abel's lover, leader of the Terran side during the war and known as the Black Madonna, the greatest saint of the Church in TB. 190.136.245.201 02:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Brother Petros

Template:Spoiler

Is the character in the Ibelis series and "The Throne of Roses series" the same character? I have only seen the first episode in "The Throne of Roses" but I find it odd that neither Petros nor Abel make any mention of past events, especially events in "A Mark of Sinner" where it looks like Pertos dies. Is this a discrepancy or is it explained in later episodes? If it is explained later on please do not go into specifics (well, obvious thought is he is now a puppet). 69.179.188.152 08:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Jessica Langston

I updated the Jessica Langston section to remove the "she is clumsy" description and reworded it to read better. Regarding clumsy, it is pretty clear she intentionally spills the milk on Father Abel so she can offer him a sandwich to make up for it. Recall that Abel tells her he cannot afford a sandwich and has not eaten in a very long time before the "accident" (emphasis on the quotes). 69.179.188.152 16:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Rosen what?

How is the actual name of the Order (or Orden) spelled? Rosenkreuz Orden, Rosen Kreuz Orden, Rosenkreutz Orden, Order of Rosenkreuz....its spelled several ways in the article...which is correct? TPrice180 17:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

'Rosencreutz Orden' is the only correct form. This is the Old High German spelling of the organisation's name, and this form was used in Yoshida's and Thores' notes as well. 'Rosenkreuz' would be the modern German form, is however as incorrect as any other spelling in the series.

False Information+Vandalism

Apparantly, somebody thinks it's hilarious to deface the Trinity Blood list of characters. Abel's profile has been reduced to mere gibberish. Esther's information has been merged into Noelle's information, and Tres, Hugue, and Esther have been shoved below the References section. Also, Vaclav's profile has had a very...interesting...piece of information added to the end. Gee, I didn't know there was an Episode 25 of Trinity Blood, nor that Vaclav was a female and in fact a sex android. What's even more sad is that I tried to edit it to return it to its proper correct state, but alas, I was told by the system that someone had recently edited it and therefore, my edit was overruled. Seeing how all information before was factual and in proper English, I'd wish to bring this to the attention of Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.68.179.182 (talk) 06:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC). 66.68.179.182 09:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Latin

Under Dietrich von Lohengrin's profile, it says that "Igne Natura Renovatur Integra" means "through fire, nature is reborn whole", yet under The Rosen∴Kreuz∴Orden (RCO), it says that it means "By Flames Shall The Earth Be Reborn". I don't much latin, but that does not look like it would mean the same thing. Bobman110 15:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

My guess (I don't speak Latin either) is that one is the literal translation, and the other is what the Orden is actually trying to convey with their motto. The two phrases don't seem that different to me anyway. — Red XIV ^(talk) 21:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Cain Nightroad vs. Cain Knightlord

My understanding from the flashbacks in the last few episodes of this anime, from what Seth says to Abel, and from the main page of this article is that Cain is the cloned brother of Abel, Seth. Hence, the last name should be Nightroad instead of Knightlord. I'll go forward and change it again, but if there is some evidence in the Manga or other sources that I don't have access too, could you please list it here? Thanks, --Lanji 19:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

-- Your reasoning is wrong. Cain's surname has been spelled as "Knightlord" in romanji in images. This is because they aren't really "siblings" per se, related in a political sense. Seth is Nightlord and Abel is Nightroad. They are spelled the same in katakana, but different in English. The three are known as Night Lords Siblings, though. 190.31.212.243 22:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

--- Yes, I agree. It is true. I do my fair share of research on the internet. (I am a fangitl) And all of my searches end up as his name being Nightlord. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Risknext (talk • contribs) 03:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio Questions

This article seems to have copied character details word from word from some official Trinity Blood materials? If so, they should be removed as it violates WP:COPYVIO. If it is not a word for word copy, it needs proper citing. Collectonian 06:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

If no one objections, I think the indented sections under some characters, with codename et al, should be removed. Most of the stuff there is already covered by the prose anyway, so much of it is redundant, and as I mentioned earlier, possibly copyied from somewhere else, which would make it a WP:COPYVIO.

Meanwhile I've done some specific inline tagging as well as over all tagging for the lack of references in the article and possible OR (such as the based ons). The article needs to have citations for claims. For information from the show on character background, personality, etc, individual episodes can be cited using the {{cite episode}} template. Other information needs to come from WP:Reliable Sources. Collectonian 15:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you think we could search for the info and try to cite it before we try to remove it.Rogue Commander (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• scratching head* All of the clean up I've been doing has been removing the "profile" style stuff (which looks like it was copied from somewhere) and merging it into the actual prose, which reads and looks nicer and removes the redundancies. I haven't removed anything that I wasn't certain was wrong, only tagging some stuff for a need for a reference (usually because I'm not sure if it came from the novels, manga, or anime). I've been tagging items from the anime as I've cleaned up each section. If I removed something specific that you felt shouldn't be removed, please let me know so we can discuss it. Collectonian (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge

I've proposed a merger between the two list of Trinity Blood characters. There really is no reason to have two separate lists. Any deviations between the characters amongst the novels, anime, and manga should be noted in their relevant sections here, while major novel and manga characters can also easily be added here with an appropriate note in their description that they only appear in X. Collectonian 15:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge completed! :) Collectonian (talk) 01:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up

I have started cleaning up the article, to remove the probably copyvio sections, clean up the writing style and structure, incorporate some redundant info from the main article (i.e. the info on the four Crusniks), removed one episode minor characters as per WP:Fict and the article's own introduction, and any other clean up as necessary. I have not read the novels, however, so if I mistate something while rewriting a section, please feel free to let me know or correct it.

Also, almost all of the images in this article are lacking Fair Use Rationales, which is why they have been getting deleted. I've added an appropriate one to some images, such as Image:Cain transformed.JPG, but many more still need them added. It would be great to have help there since the images do add to most of the sections. The fair use template and rationale from the Cain image can serve as a model. Collectonian 15:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I have, for the most part, cleaned up the info. It just needs to be sighted. Rogue Commander (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for joining in with the clean up! It is really appreciated :) I've added in some more citations for those episodes I've seen so far. I haven't read the novels myself, yet, so I can't cite items that come from there, but hopefully someone else will or I can add them later as they are released and I can read them.  :) Collectonian (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the novels have character descriptions either in the back or front of the book. Rogue Commander (talk) 18:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Those can be used as sources, if well cited and not just copied from the novels. Collectonian (talk) 19:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Consistency of Headers

In looking at the TOC for this article, I realized the headers were very inconsistent. Some had the titles, ranks etc in the header in parentheses, while others did not. For consistency, I've updated the Vatican section of the article so that the title/rank are no longer in the headers, but instead are worked into the character descriptions. I've also done this in some other sections as I've been cleaning them up, and will continue to do so unless there are objections. This gives the article more consistent, makes the TOC and page as a whole look nicer, and seems to be consistent with it is done in other character lists. Thoughts? Do y'all agree this is an improvement, or do you think the other way is better?

As a side note, I've removed the ref improve tag, since there are now almost 20 of them (though they are all episode sites...would love to see some manga and novel citations! Collectonian (talk) 19:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Images

I've been given the heads up that this article is using way too many non-free images, and does not comply with WP:NFCC. As such, I've removed the place images, and images for any semi-minor characters or those that just appear in one or two episodes. I've tagged the article as WIP while I work on more of the clean up and on trying to find some pair/group images to get the number of images down some more. If you can suggest some images that can be used under the fair use guidelines, please post a link here. I'll remove the WIP tag when I'm done. Collectonian (talk) 00:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Manga differences could use more noting.

I noticed that all the descriptions are of the characters covers the anime, with notes about them from the manga, but it only glances. I sadly lack knowledge of the manga, though if someone whom read it could add the information more thoroughly? 67.82.234.72 (talk) 07:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Work is still going on to expand the characters to include info from the novels and the manga series, but I also have only seen the anime (and am still watching it...two more episodes to go!). I hope to get the manga and novel series soon, though, so I can start going back and adding cites and information from there. Collectonian (talk) 07:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)