Talk:List of Trinity Blood characters

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[edit] Non Free Images

{{non-free}} There are a lot a image on this page, but they are acceptable and I think that this thing should be taking off the article. I only put this tag on the top to show people what I mean.--Stco23 (talk) 05:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

An admin, User:Rettetast, is the one who tagged the article, so I'm not sure what you mean by you being the one who put it there? He is correct in that there are still too many. Several individual pics can (and need to be) replaced with group images to further reduce non-free image usage. Collectonian (talk) 05:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
That's ok if you think it should be in as a group. I changed my top message because I didn't say it right the first time and you replied about it. I checked every single photo on that article and saw that they were fine. I don't care if they are in a group or not. I do find them ok. Bye for now.--Stco23 (talk) 06:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, okay. No problem. Just was confused by your first message :) I personally liked it with individual images, but when editing, we must put aside our personal preferences in deference to policy :) Collectonian (talk) 06:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling

I am sorry, but I changed Francesco's spelling because I think that is correct. I am Italian and I come from Florence. In Trinity Blood people from Vatican have italian names, italian historical people's names too. In fact Caterina Sforza, Francesco de' Medici and Alfonso d'Este really lived in Renaissance. Why Francesco di Medici is the correct spelling? Who determined it? I would like to know it please. Forgive my grammatical errors, but I do not know English very well. Kaho Mitsuki (talk) 13:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The creator of Trinity Blood is the one who determines the correct spellings of the names, not anyone else. It is written as "di" in the novels, and as this is a list of the characters in the Trinity Blood series, and not the historical figures, we will use the spellings that are used in the novels, manga, and/or anime series. Collectonian (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I understand but the original novels are written in kanji. I think the autor was inspired by the Italian Renaissance for this characters (Alessandro XVIII is the antithesis of Alessandro VI, Papa Borgia). The English translation of kanji could not be wrong? Kaho Mitsuki (talk) 14:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Whether it is or is not, we use what the official translations say. Collectonian (talk) 13:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Revisiting the Images

As noted earlier, we still have too many non-free images. I found an image from the Kadokawa site that illustrates TEN of the characters instead of five, which would allow us to clear out a few more images. What do you all think of it? Image:Trinity Blood Characters.jpg? Collectonian (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

At least this one has Kate, Noélle and most characters, but isn't there some image with Asthe and the antagonists. OgasawaraSachiko (Talk) 14:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Thus far, we haven't found any usable group images of the antagonists nor of the Seth, Asthe, et al. Still a work in progress, but a continuing effort. The catch tends to be that most such images are fan created, and thus completely unusable by Wikipedia guidelines.Collectonian (talk) 14:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Since there have been no objections after two days, I've gone ahead and put this image in place. I've also removed all other images so the non-free tag can go. Now, if we can just find one good, usable group image for the New Human Empire and for Rosenkreuz, it will all be good. Collectonian (talk) 15:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Something similar to this would be good...

http://pds1.egloos.com/pds/1/200601/02/06/b0040506_1115062.jpg

I'm still trying to find a decent pic of the Methuselah, Seth, Ion, and the others...(Rosewater Alchemist (talk) 04:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC))

Yes, it would. Too bad the quality of that one is too low and its covered with text :( Collectonian (talk) 04:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Isaak Fernand von Kämpfer... a Human?

The current biography describes Isaak as a vampire... I'm pretty sure he's a mere human, albeit, a very clever one. I have read the novels, and Isaak is never revealed to be a Methuselah or Crusnik, he is a human, like Caterina or Dietrich. Would anyone mind me giving this a quick fix? Also, I'm not sure where the info about his hair being composed of mono-carbon fibers came from... this material is used as a weapon during his duel with Gunslinger, but it isn't recorded as being part of his hair or body... (Rosewater Alchemist (talk) 03:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC))

I believe that is more explicitly stated in the anime, but I'll double check the novels to see if there is a source there to use. I'll also recheck the mono-carbon fibers. Collectonian (talk) 03:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The New Human Empire

Now I have been trying to add some actual factual info on the location of the Methuselah Empire that is better than what we have, and it keeps getting removed on the basis that it is "excessive". Now, how anyone can see this info as excessive is beyond me, especially when it is cited, relevant info that consist of the grand maximum of ONE sentence. Can someone please explain this rationale. Rogue Commander (talk) 21:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I left you a note on your talk page already to explain it. This isn't supposed to be the Trinity Blood guide, and only a basic over view is needed. The page already has too much in-universe plot information. The exact and specific geography of any of the locations is unnecessary, particularly in a character list. All that is needed is enough of a summary to give an overview of the Empire for giving context to the characters listed under it. Minute detail belongs on a Wikia or some other Wiki, but not here. Collectonian (talk) 21:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting

This page is very long. I recommend we split each major organization on this page into its own article and leave this article for minor characters like Lillith. Characters working for specific organizations could be listed on those pages. Also, I recommend making a seperate page on "The World of Trinity Blood" that could link to each organization's page and list minor organizations and characters. It could also handle the in-universe info on the humans, kresniks, and Methuselah found on the main page, and carry any other necessary info. What do you think? Rogue Commander (talk) 11:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. The page is fine. Such splits would be inappropriate and excessive and a violation of WP:FICT. This page needs trimming, not splitting, as it already has too much in-universe information, which is not where the focus of it should be. Such a "World of Trinity Blood" would be even worse. All would just be deleted. Collectonian (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
If we were to split, they'd just be merged. There's no need for it when one article is fine enough. It's true that the list is rather large, and unfortunately there's hardly any out-of-universe info on the main characters to justify individuals. The only way to handle that problem is to trim info and cut out unnecessary characters. Fox816 (talk) 19:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep. This list needs a good scrubbing and a rewrite. Its on my list of things to do, but still working on another big list right now so haven't had time. If someone wants to suggest possible characters for cutting out, though, that's probably the place to start. Collectonian (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

That's just it. What is there left to trim? All the main characters are here! And you have already narrowed down the info to the most important points. What else could be done? 74.226.179.97 (talk) 04:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Cleaning out excessive plot description, if needed, as there is currently no real-world info. Can also tighten up the prose. Beyond that, the list is find, and mostly in need of sourcing and final polishing, not splitting. Collectonian (talk) 05:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the main character (Abel) could probably get his own page. That is usually the case in long running anime franchises.67.33.96.159 (talk) 17:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No, he couldn't. So far, I've yet to find the necessary sources to support his having a page that meets WP:FICT (I have been looking). With the creators death, it seems unlikely there will be any new information available on the creation/conception info needed. If you know of any reliable sources, of course, feel free to post them. I haven't seen any notes in the manga yet, but I've only read the first volume. I don't think the anime sets include any. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Try the novels. They are still being released in America, and that will mean more info will become available. They already have more info than the manga and anime combined.Rogue Commander (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
They have more plot information. So far, none of the novels have included any production information or author notes (and considering the stuff going on at TP, we may not get them all anyway :( ). So still doesn't meet WP:FICT. He must have significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. I'm rather suprised he doesn't have more coverage, but several of the good anime/manga books that might discuss him came out before the series did. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)