Talk:List of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. players

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[edit] Notabilty

The criteria for inclusion seem to be rather woolly for those players who haven't made 100 appearances. What exactly does "players that have achieved notable success in their football careers" mean? This seems open to abuse and PoV. Surely the list should include only players who were significant in their achievements at Spurs rather than elsewhere. What did Edgar Davids or Frederic Kanoute do at Tottenham that was more significant than countless other players over the years who didn't hang around long enough to rack up 100 games? Daemonic Kangaroo 06:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability, a follow up

There have been a number of recent additions to the list of players comprising those in the current squad. As explained at the top of the article the criteria for inclusion are on grounds of notability and this requires the player to have made at least 100 appearances for the first team unless as referred to above "players that have achieved notable success in their football careers". These should be removed and furthermore I agree with Daemonic Kangaroo that this latter criteria is not NPOV and would suggest that those considered notable be as follows ( criteria borrowed shamelessly from Ipswich Town F.C. Arsenal F.C. and Manchester United F.C.):

  • made 100+ first team appearances
  • was a founding member of the club in 1882
  • represented their country at full International level whilst playing for the club
  • has been a club captain at the time the club won a major competition
  • hold a club record e.g. signing on fee etc
  • hall of fame or club legend (as recorded by THFC on website)

There will always be an argument for exceptions to be included such as those players who fell short of 100 but may be notable in another significant way such as a significant period in club management. This should be only on very exceptional situations and in such cases a footnote and citation must be added enabling others to judge that the reason for inclusion is truly 'notable'.

I would like to propose that after a period to allow for comment / discussion ( propose initially at least minimum 2 weeks period) to allow for comment on the above, that either to use criteria based on the consensus reached re the above suggestions as amended, or as a default if not agreeable to at least apply rigidly the current criteria and remove players falling outside whatever the criteria adopted. Thoughts please! Tmol42 (talk) 13:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree with these criteria as it clears up what is meant somewhat. I also agree with Daemonic Kangaroo in that the criteria at the moment is somewhat vague and is left open to other people's point of view.Obiwanskywalker (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

As proposed above I have uploaded a revised list which adds in those players missing from the previous list including other players who meet the more clearly defined criteria and deleted entries where players ( typically the current squad who have not yet achieved the notability test) as set out above and on the page. References and sources of the data have been added. In a small number of cases eg. Welsh and Argentinean Internationals I have not yet found the number of caps whilst on the books. If anyone has access to these please update. There are also some players who played before 1908 whose records I did not have to hand so these need adding in. Sources for the data sometime conflict and I have tried to go with the most reliable. But no doubt some ( maybe quite a few!) errors have crept in and I would welcome corrections as well as any comment here on the content. Tmol42 (talk) 12:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The notability criteria is a joke as it stands. Chris Gunter, who has barely featured for the club and is a young recently capped international in a third rate international team, is considered "notable", while for example Jonathan Woodgate, a veteran England international who played an important part in the recent Carling Cup victory, is not considered notable. Likewise the inclusion of Grzegorz Rasiak is a complete joke. 89.27.55.173 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Your comments don't really deserve a reply due to incivility but for the record the criteria are based on those on notability as set out in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football and separate discussions on the Talk pages of the project which although not reaching a consensus suggested that the 100 appearance criteria was either pragmatic or too limiting hence the addition of those making international appearances or significant notability otherwise to try and strike a balance. Your comment re Woodgate is redundant given he had been already announced he was in the line up and about to make his first appearance for England since joing TH about 90 minutes afterwards. Tmol42 (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)