Talk:List of Time Team episodes
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[edit] Merge proposal
Stephenb has put merge tags on List of Time Team special episodes, List of Time Team Live episodes and List of Time Team Extra episodes, proposing to merge them to List of Time Team episodes. If these merges are to be discussed, there probably ought to also be a merge tag on this article.
There's also List of Time Team Digs Episodes and List of Time Team History Hunters, which don't have merge tags. I don't have an opinion on whether to merge any of these articles or not, I just thought I'd mention them. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Please see Talk: Time Team#Episode tidy. --UpDown (talk) 09:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Need to add information on cameos
I was most annoyed to see my additions on cameos deleted by some a***hole (Feb 2008). But hey ho, the joys of Wikipedia... You have a whole "additional information" column which is more or less blank. The cameos - things like making a medieval stained glass window - are an integral part of the series and to my mind it is essential to list them alongside the episodes. For reenactors like myself it would give a ready reference to much very useful 'living history' information.
Also very annoyed that along with my cameos suggestion you couldn't be arsed to take in the few editorial changes I made to the text. Just undid the lot. You lazy b**st*rd. GRRRR! 83.5.154.84 (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)woofgrrr
- I would strongly advise you do not insult people on Wikipedia, it will not do you any favours. The "additional information" coloumn is going, as I said all series should soon look like the first few currently do. Your edits had no refs also, and adding something like "no cameo" to an edit summary is not encyclopedic. You must remember this is not a fansite, it is an encyclopedia and I personally question whether making a stained glass window warrants a mention in the episode summary.--UpDown (talk) 08:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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- Encyclopedic - therefore covering all information. Just because you personally don't think it's worth adding information on the cameos, doesn't mean other people wouldn't find it useful. And how you can think the cameos are worthless? You sound like one of those dullards who can't see the value in living history or re-enactment in the process of historical studies; well wake up this is the 21st century.
- Each cameo took up to 10% of the total airtime of the show and was the only regular "side-plot" to the main story. One of the best cameos showed the reconstruction of a Roman draco standard (the first time it had ever been done!); another reconstructed burial customs from Iron Age to Late Rome using live re-enactors. These were spectacular events, now part of reenactment folklore... Now it's a pain in the behind trying to relocate these cameos, which are of huge value to the re-enactment community. And of course you see no value in mentioning them! How arrogant of you.
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- As for needing a reference, well are you completely dull? The show itself is the reference... Do you seriously NEED a separate third party reference when you can look at the show itself? I mean it's not like you are speaking of an event that took place in the 11th century, with only one eyewitness. For chrissake be a human not a machine!
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- As for me insulting you, well that's because you have the audacity to delete stuff without any good reason, and a superior attitude thinking only what you do is valid. Other people have an opinion too. Wikipedia is a democracy, not a dictatorship, though you seem to think otherwise. Goodbye and good riddance to you, you arrogant piece of .... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.28.61.204 (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- If you had said any of the above in a polite and Wikipedia-style fashion, and hadn't vandalised my talk page, I would reply. --UpDown (talk) 13:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- in all fairness althogh i like the new format i think the original poster is right the information should be there as well, youa re being opinated, and as for sources oyu have not provided soruces to where you got the seaosn 3 episode titles seaosn 3-6 there is none on the web not eveen channel four own wbesite gives them so i love ot knwo where oyu got them —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 16:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- I got the episodes titles from the references given next to the episode summary for each episode. I would advise you against phrases like "youa re being opinated" [sic], which do not assume good faith. As I say, putting my feeling of them being trivial aside, they are not referenced.--UpDown (talk) 17:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- there is no offical episode title for season 3 to 6 apart froma odd few so you shouldnt be taken tehm from reference in a episode summary there hasd been a few episode titels that aint anything to do witht eh summary, so you are giving episode titles to them without really knwoing if they ar ethe offical one you best amend them to say unoffical. fair enough i see your point about the reference part, but having the information int he summary isnt helpfully to someone who doesnt know the show, would you mind if ia make a slight alternation to series 1 to include the informationt he other person is talkign about without it being in the sumamry? then you might be able to make it look better afterwards. but the person is right the only source is watching the episode which i do myself :). apologise for saying you where being opinated just taking a outside view of it you where saying it not something oyu want so you didnt want it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 20:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- I am sorry to say this, but I do find a lot of the above hard to understand. However, a reliable source gives series three episodes titles. The reference being in the episode summary is fine, references are never put after the episode titles. I am unsure what you mean about putting the information in without it being in the summary? Where else would it be? As I say I have doubts about its relevance, and references are needed, this is Wikipedia, not a fansite. The current episode summaries are referenced. Regardless, if they go anywhere it should be in the episode summary.--UpDown (talk) 12:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- there is no offical episode title for season 3 to 6 apart froma odd few so you shouldnt be taken tehm from reference in a episode summary there hasd been a few episode titels that aint anything to do witht eh summary, so you are giving episode titles to them without really knwoing if they ar ethe offical one you best amend them to say unoffical. fair enough i see your point about the reference part, but having the information int he summary isnt helpfully to someone who doesnt know the show, would you mind if ia make a slight alternation to series 1 to include the informationt he other person is talkign about without it being in the sumamry? then you might be able to make it look better afterwards. but the person is right the only source is watching the episode which i do myself :). apologise for saying you where being opinated just taking a outside view of it you where saying it not something oyu want so you didnt want it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 20:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- I got the episodes titles from the references given next to the episode summary for each episode. I would advise you against phrases like "youa re being opinated" [sic], which do not assume good faith. As I say, putting my feeling of them being trivial aside, they are not referenced.--UpDown (talk) 17:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- in all fairness althogh i like the new format i think the original poster is right the information should be there as well, youa re being opinated, and as for sources oyu have not provided soruces to where you got the seaosn 3 episode titles seaosn 3-6 there is none on the web not eveen channel four own wbesite gives them so i love ot knwo where oyu got them —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 16:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- If you had said any of the above in a polite and Wikipedia-style fashion, and hadn't vandalised my talk page, I would reply. --UpDown (talk) 13:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- As for me insulting you, well that's because you have the audacity to delete stuff without any good reason, and a superior attitude thinking only what you do is valid. Other people have an opinion too. Wikipedia is a democracy, not a dictatorship, though you seem to think otherwise. Goodbye and good riddance to you, you arrogant piece of .... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.28.61.204 (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Specials
I do nto have anything agaisnt oyu adding the special to the guide. but i think adding them inbetween season 1 will cause confusion and 2 will give a false episode total
the special epsiode should eb there own section because ther eis only 35 specials jsut now and there serpate to the epsiode count because otherwise the lastest epsiode would be classed as about 190ish instead of 160ish --andrewcrawford 20:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- The specials are not connected to each other, and therefore putting them together would be highly misleading. They are each individual one-off special episodes, and therefore putting them in date order is logical and sensible. The main episode count on the main page takes into account all specials and live episodes, and eventually they will all be on one page. They do not deserve seperate articles, hence why another user added a merge tag.--UpDown (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- and put them inbetween the othe epsiode is misleading and stupid, you have stated ythis is a encolpedia yet you are jsut makign it wrong by doign this, if they are not conencted then why do other sites listed them as a serpate section maybe because special episode are serpate to the main poen fair neough might not need a serpate page but they shouldnt be poart of the main page
- Again, I advise against phrases like "stupid", which could be taken as a personal insult. The time team fansite lists them seperate, but it also lists each series seperate, but that doesn't mean we we should have an article for each series.--UpDown (talk) 13:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- i would look up the context of the word stupid and hwo it is refence i might be thick in the form of english but i have learned that it can have different contexts and if oyu cant undertand the difference betweena personal insult and describing something then that aint my problem. it is quite clear you ar every bias and want to make this arctile your own and wont take the arcile to be what it is meant to be give information toa new person and the laout and way your are setting it out is your own opinated way and you wont let others change it you revert every other users edits you find is changing the layout you want so go ahead and ruin the artcile considering you are one spouting so much about it being a eylopedia of information you wont let it be —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Once again I apologise but am having problems understanding a lot of the above. The advise I gave you about the word "stupid" I suggest you think about - if you wish to get on in Wikipedia then debating is important, and calling someone "stupid" is not a good idea. But that aside, I am setting out the article in the recommonded way per a common consensus on Wikipedia for TV episode listings. I do not claim to own the article, and am merely trying to make it the best it can be. And please sign your posts. Thanks.--UpDown (talk) 16:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- i aint calling you stupid i am sayign the way you are making the guide is stupid because it makes it confussing for new users to understand but i aint goign ot argue about it you are goign to kept makign it that way so i wont stop you i feel you are makign the guide good for infromation but bad for layout (hence my comment stupid)--andrewcrawford 16:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Once again I apologise but am having problems understanding a lot of the above. The advise I gave you about the word "stupid" I suggest you think about - if you wish to get on in Wikipedia then debating is important, and calling someone "stupid" is not a good idea. But that aside, I am setting out the article in the recommonded way per a common consensus on Wikipedia for TV episode listings. I do not claim to own the article, and am merely trying to make it the best it can be. And please sign your posts. Thanks.--UpDown (talk) 16:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- i would look up the context of the word stupid and hwo it is refence i might be thick in the form of english but i have learned that it can have different contexts and if oyu cant undertand the difference betweena personal insult and describing something then that aint my problem. it is quite clear you ar every bias and want to make this arctile your own and wont take the arcile to be what it is meant to be give information toa new person and the laout and way your are setting it out is your own opinated way and you wont let others change it you revert every other users edits you find is changing the layout you want so go ahead and ruin the artcile considering you are one spouting so much about it being a eylopedia of information you wont let it be —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Again, I advise against phrases like "stupid", which could be taken as a personal insult. The time team fansite lists them seperate, but it also lists each series seperate, but that doesn't mean we we should have an article for each series.--UpDown (talk) 13:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- and put them inbetween the othe epsiode is misleading and stupid, you have stated ythis is a encolpedia yet you are jsut makign it wrong by doign this, if they are not conencted then why do other sites listed them as a serpate section maybe because special episode are serpate to the main poen fair neough might not need a serpate page but they shouldnt be poart of the main page
[edit] Guide
Ok first of the live action are not part of the total episode count and are a serparate thing to the main episode, the psecials are part of it. Second you have revert all teh work i have done on series 15 table. Third you are being opinaied again. Fourth airdate is not the true way to make a guide, a guide is meant to consisit of series/seasons so special and lvie are there own serpate one so i will revert the information one becaus ei have done up series 15 table include information other users have asked for. and second because you are wrong in the way you are goign about it. if oyu think it is wrong provide me information to say other wise i aitn seen anything in wikipedia guidlines that say oyu are right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewcrawford (talk • contribs) 19:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- As before, I am having problems understanding some of the above. Phrases like "you are being opinaied again" do you no help - it's just rude and uncivil. Read WP:CIVIL. One, all episodes are part of the episode count, that's common Wikipedia practise, specials or not, they are part of the count. The Series 15 table was not formatted correctly, and if you look you will see this. In addition, the archaelogy type coloumn is not needed - that's what the episode summary is for. Episodes should be in airdate order, again a common Wikipedia convention unless there is a good reason otherwise, in this case there is no reason. Date order is the easiest and more logical way to order things.--UpDown (talk) 19:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
