Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes/Archive 1

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[edit] Is this the right place?

I just added a lot of infos for the simpsons episode list, and discovered tviv.org. So I was just wondering if wikipedia was the right place for such detailed information???

This does not just concern the simpsons of course,... but shouldn't there just be a link to tviv.org? Is this detailed information necessary in an encyclopedia? Or is it just that tviv.org is redundant?


I also wondered... In my opinion the redirection should be from List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes to The_Simpsons/Episode_List not the opposite. If nobody appeals I will change it.

enyo 17:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Don't redirect! The commonly accepted style is to not use slash separaters to organize articles in a hierarchy. --Optichan 19:10, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Why is this? In my opinion it makes much more sense with slash hierarchies...
enyo 10:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First comment

It's great that this list exists. Do you know what the dates for the seasons are? -- Merphant

Indeed I do and production numbers. - fonzy

What does "Series 1", "Series 2", "Series 3" mean? There has only been one series, except for the shorts on the "Tracey Ullman Show". -- Zoe

What the Brits call a "series", the Americans, I think, call a "season". Is it that that's causing the confusion here? I didn't know there was any ambiguity about the word "series" in this context, I must admit. I suppose "season" might be better if there is, as that should make sense to most UK readers, who would know the word as an American usage (other countries, I don't know about). --Camembert
Thanks for the explanation. Yes, season would probably be best for us limited Americans.  :) To us, a series is a completely separate program(me). -- Zoe

I did wonder what I should use when i was creating this. Being A "Brit" i used teh word series. - fonzy

I wonder if someone could add episode codes to the list, instead of just dates. The codes are sometimes more useful. Thanks! David 21:10 Dec 23, 2002 (UTC)

Do TV guides publish the episode code in the reruns schedules? If yes, then it is very useful info. Kowloonese 19:45, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
What about brief episode summaries? I'd find that more useful. Bagpuss
I would like to see the celebrity cameo listed along side the episode. Kowloonese 19:45, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Next to the Trade center episode there is the comment that this has been removed from syndication in the US since 9/11. I had thought this would be the case as well and was shocked when I saw this episode on wxmi in 2003. Does any one have a reference for the removal from syndication? If not I think I will remove the comment Steven jones 02:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)


[edit] new tables

The new table is good; but it would be better to put each season on a separate page (with a page for the shorts). Andy Mabbett 16:18, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That's a good idea but I think we should start by making a table for each season and then we can divide the page into 16 different pages for the 16 seasons plus another page for the shorts. I'll start working on Season 2 soon. Paul99 16:35, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
wouldn't it be better to use these tables?
Pic Title Airdate Production Code TV Ratings (viewers) #
image The Father, The Son, and The Holy Guest Star May 15 GABF09 9.4 million 356
Bart and Homer are tempted to convert to Catholicism.
enyo 17:11, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Prettytable shouldn't be used anymore - use class="wikitable" instead. -Fred Bradstadt 07:50, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, then wikitable... I ment the structure of the table in fact (having 2 rows for each episode...). With the thumbnails now added, this would make more sense. --enyo 09:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
OK, I changed just a bit in the proposed table above (removed bgcolor="#CCCCCC"). Besides that, I like the suggestion of having two rows for each episode, next to the thumbnail. -Fred Bradstadt 09:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, is it possible 4 u 2 put the ratings for EVERY episode on the episode list? I really wanna know how many people watched Bart gets an f, its supposidly the highest rated ep.?

On the other hand, the episode number is in the leftmost table cell in all tables - shouldn't we keep it there, and then have the screenshot at the rightmost table cell, filling 2 rows:
# Title Airdate Production Code TV Ratings (viewers) Pic
356 The Father, The Son, and The Holy Guest Star May 15 GABF09 9.4 million image
Bart and Homer are tempted to convert to Catholicism.
Anyway, I'd like to keep the design consistent with the tables without thumbnails, so that the title, airdate, production code etc. is in the same order throughout the page.
-Fred Bradstadt 18:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Am I the only one who doesn't like the new tables? For starters they are not consistent between seasons, and they do not line up correctly with the old tables. And also, what exactly is the point of the color coding? --SeXyRed 13:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't like them either i would one day like to improve this list to look like List of South Park episodes (I am part of WikiProject List of Television Episodes and thats pretty much our standard format) but its a big task i dont have time for right now. Discordance 23:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode links

Don't people think that instead of, say linking an episode to Bart the Genius it should be linked to The Simpsons/Bart the Genius. This would both avoid any potential future conflicts with article names(if relavent), and link up the episodes with the simpsons. (Perhaps even putting this page in The Simpsons/List of The Simpsons episodes and the episodes in a sub of that... - Xgkkp 18:44, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That's a good idea. If someone wants to make that change, they can. For now i'll concentrate on finishing the tables for the seasons. Paul99 21:06, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I disagree. It is considered standard on Wikipedia not to use subdirectory pages. The standard solution is to use a name like Bart the Genius (Simpsons) when there is already an article about Bart the Genius. But that problem won't happen very often with Simpsons episodes. Dbenbenn 02:38, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
And also, future conflicts are just that. Apparently you're supposed to avoid the paranthesis when possible; we should probably wait to move the articles when a more important article demands the initial space :) --Headcase 23:47, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd really like to see all of the The Simpsons episodes for a season collected together in articles such as The Simpsons: Season Six, rather than taking up their own individual articles and using server space with their images. B.S. 03:24, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
The individual episode articles have absolutely no negative impact on server space and performance. It would be much less efficient to merge them all into one huge collective page, as the entire page and all its images would have to be loaded every time someone looked up a single episode. -Kaizersoze 04:12, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

I'd wholly recommend "TITLE (Simpsons episode)". Cburnett 00:23, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

I really don't understand why subdirectory pages shouldn't be used... in my opinion this would be the most beautiful way to organize all this information!! I mean.... 'Simple_Simpson' should not be a wikipedia entry on itself like this.... thats just wrong! this is just a subarticle of the simpsons.. Well I'm not very used to wiki, could someone please tell me where these discussions take place normally? or where stuff like this gets decided ?
--enyo 09:22, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding season 17

I don't think we need a table for season 17 yet. Hardly anything is known about it, and the season 16 section has barely been started. Kaizersoze 20:54, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)

On a different note, I'm questioning the episodes airing in September. For the past several years, Fox has started airing new episodes with "Treehouse" in Novermber. It's possible they'll break with tradition, but is there a source saying they will?Bjones
  • Hey i noticed that the S17 ep The Mook, Chef, Wife and Her Homer was removed on 22/4/06, is it going to be part of S18? (Dannybriggs93 19:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Regarding the listing of Halloween episodes

Perhaps it should be pointed out that the Halloween special in which groundskeeper Willie attacks the towns children in their dreams is an abvious spoof of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies... IAmAndrewsSoul 16:14, Dec 18, 2004.

[edit] A question regarding numbering of episodes

===>Help Can anyone tell me why the 302nd episode was touted as the 300th, and the 351st as the 350th? Thanks. Justin (koavf) 23:20, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

I believe it's explained in the article for the "300th episode". Something to do with sweeps or something. Optichan 02:36, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Because the actual ones were not good enough material for 300th and 350th episode material.

See Strong Arms of the Ma, the real 300th episode, and Barting Over, the advertised 300th episode. Besides, no one was probably counting the number of episodes anyway. -- Bobman123 01:00, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good List

GOod list I modeled it for the List of King of the Hill episodes article. If someone wants to help out that would be great, esp. with episode summaries. --ShaunMacPherson 29 June 2005 12:38 (UTC)

[edit] Production Code

Is there any logic behind the prod. code? --130.243.79.252 16:41, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Sure there is. They signify the order in which the episodes were produced, but they don't always air in that order. The series started out with the 7GXX production line, and here's an explanation of the rest:
  • 7Gxx - Season one - first 13 episodes (incidentally this is what Sector 7G was named after) (the G probably came from Gracie Films, the production company).
  • xFxx - Seasons two through nine switched to production codes with F as the second letter for whatever reason.
    • 7F - season 2
    • 8F - season 3
    • 9F - season 4
    • 1F - season 5
    • -through-
    • 5F - season 9
  • XABFXX - The show switched to these longer numbers, possibly to fit in better with Futurama (xACVxx) and Family Guy (xACXxx) and also because they were running out of numbers to use for the xFxx line.
    • AABF - season 10
    • -through-
    • HABF - season 17
  • 3Gxx - this was a special production line that consisted of four episodes written by a separate staff headed by Al Jean and Mike Reiss, while the regularstaff was working on the xFxx production line. The four episodes aired in a few different seasons.

--Kaizersoze 04:36, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how you find the Prod Code for a particular series?  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  20:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Found what I was looking for.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  21:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of The Simpsons TV ads

If the above topic survives the vfd at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of The Simpsons TV ads, I recommend deleting the advertisements section from the article here. Any objections? -- BD2412 talk 19:35, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject - List of Television Episodes

We need some volunteers to give input on how a list of television episodes (such as this one) should look. Please follow the link at the top and join the project. Otherwise, I hope there are some fans who are willing to adjust this page to match the preferred format as described on the page. Thanks!--Will2k 14:47, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad a list is available, although there are also episode guides I can check. I'm sort of a fan. Although I think the show declined a bit around season 10, but has rebounded a bit recently. Anyway I'm changing this to incomplete lists of Movie, TV, etc. I hope that's okay. It's just that "Incomplete lists" is very crowded right now. I'm not trying to screw up where people find this. If anything it might be easier at the new place--T. Anthony 06:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Deletion

List of The Simpsons episodes by theme has been deleted, just letting people know. - Matthew238 02:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Can't create an episode's article

I've been creating anonymously for over two years by now. It was certainly a shock to for me to read about this experimental creation limitation (announced here). As a Ricky Gervais fan I was attempting to add some details, available from Ricky's site about the Gervais-written episode "Homer Simpson, This is Your Wife", . 66.167.253.134 20:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Far too long

This is just too big. I'm not saying that it isn't a good resource, but it's so big it makes it hard to find a particular episode. I think we should make articles for "List of The Simpsons episodes in Series One" or something, and make List of The Simpsons episodes into a disambiguation page.

While I agree the page is rather long, I don't feel splitting it down into separate pages would be very beneficial to those looking for a specific episode without knowledge of which season it was from. - Wezzo 14:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, looking back up the talk page, it looks as though this has already been planned. Can't say I agree with it, but it looks like such a plan may go ahead. - Wezzo 14:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
It could be split up but still keep a shorter version of the full episode list. --213.67.162.238 20:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC) (Jojan)

[edit] No splitting

I don't like the idea of spliting this page. It is more convienant the way it is. Every episode I'm looking for right in the page. Splitting it would cause some difficulties in scrolling through episodes. - Ted87

Me neither. I know it takes a long time for the page to load for some, but I really don't know what episode is in what season. Firefox does a good job of rendering the page as it loads, you may want to try that browser.—Fitch 19:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
IMO splitting is a bad idea. I've used this list countless times with no trouble whatsoever. When you know the name but not the season of an episode you can Ctrl-F it, which would be a lot harder split up. The ToC links make travelling to distant seasons easy. I really don't see the prob. Ludraman 21:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig

Could we not simply make the links disambiguation page links to "List of The Simpsons episodes (Season One" etc., and then underneath put "Episodes in this season" and then a brief listing of the titles of the episodes in the season. It would be a compact listing, only 20 or so lines long for each season. This would actully be making it easier to search for an episodes, and split up the article at the same time!

  • At the very least, simplify the page -- remove the tables and the images. Not everyone has broadband, after all. tregoweth 05:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest that we keep the current page, but also create a simpler version as Tregoweth suggested. This way both pages can be linked to from the main page giving the user the choice. I personally like the current page with the screenshots, but I can see Tregoweth's point about it being to large for dial up users. --SeXyRed 11:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree keep the current page but also make pages for the separate seasons Discordance 16:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

But this way we will have all information entered 2 times! This will make it hard to keep articles up to date, and is a waste of space.
I still think, that having the whole list, is more annoying to people who'd like to split them up, than it is annoying to have separate articles for the people who'd like to keep it that way. enyo 15:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
If we split this page up into seasons, we NEED to have a "list of all simpsons episodes", but i think the large episode list as it is, is much more useful. Perhaps removing the images might be a good idea (as Tregoweth said), for bandwidth concerns (although i'm pretty sure browsers display text first, before loading images.. so it still wouldn't matter much). Fresheneesz 23:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I Agree with members who want to split this article. Ω Anonymous anonymous Ψ: ''Have A Nice Day'' 22:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which Episode was this?

What episode was it where there was a huge lottery jackpot in Sprinfield and Kent Brockman won it?

--I may be wrong but I think it may have been the episode called "Dog of Death" in which Santas Little Helper gets sick.

you are correct. swidly 01:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Unlock this page right now! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.21.46.111 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] spliting

It should not be split because I like to be able to see it all on one page --Adam1213 Talk + 22:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Seing all episodes on one page is an advantage, but I think compared to the disadvantage of having to load the whole page it's not important.

In my opinion the best way would be a simple list of the simpsons episodes, without description, just the name and the number of each episode. And then you can select 1 episode or 1 season to see the detailed list.

Loading the whole Simpsons Episode List site just takes too long! The pictures get loaded minutes later (if they get loaded), and I don't like to scroll around in this huge list!

enyo 16:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Thought I'd throw in my three cents. I think it should be left as is, but also made into separate pages with more details for each season. Reason being I like hitting ctrl f to find a particular ep now and then. Baseballfan 02:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be split into a bunch of lists organized by season? 199.224.81.132 22:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] [Unsigned comment]

Unlock this page right now! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.21.35.114 (talk • contribs) . The list needs to be updated - there's a new episode on January 29. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.157.55.203 (talk • contribs) .

  • I moved this comment from the top and added attributions. Also, if you read Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, you will see that editing is only blocked for unregistered editors and editors with accounts newer than four days." If you sign up for an account and are patient, you too can edit semi-protected pages. tregoweth 05:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 5 Tables

I've changed the table layout to match that of seasons 1-4. The only problem is I don't know the code for the colour red. Could someone who does know please change it to red (because that's the boxset colour). --DChiuch 06:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanx to DVD Smith for changing the season 5 colour to red, and to Xls for changing the season 6 layout. Instead of grey could someone change it to yellow (the boxset is yellow). --DChiuch 04:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The standard S6 box set is black - I think we should use that (or at least dark grey, so that we can still see the writing). If we used yellow (the head box colour) then we'd have to use yellow for seasons 7-10 too. For S7 the blue-purple colour should be used, because the standard box is that colour. EDIT: Someone's already done that, but the S7 text could be made clearer. EDIT 2: Done. --DVD Smith 21:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting Article

I think we should vote on whether we are going to split the article or not. Does anyone know how to create a vote page? The page is very long but it is convenient like this. I suggest we have pages in groups of 5 seasons, a page for the shorts, and a page for other things like music videos and television commercials; all accessible from a disambiguation page. My vote would be to split it. So people that use this page, could you either create a vote page if you know how to, or just say your vote here. --DChiuch 04:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images - need to be removed

All of the screen shots in the article are licenced under fair use (well I checked most). But they aren't meeting the requirements of fair use, and should be removed (and some, if not all, deleted). I'm going to go through each of the images and deal with them, I'm just letting you know that this article/list will look different if/when all of the images are gone.--Commander Keane 07:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Why do you care? Your not an administrator so why must you delete the images and reduce the quality of this article? Sure it might be copyright infringment but do you really think Fox is going to care? --DChiuch 07:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Um I am an admin, and I care because having the images on this page is against the law - and thus threatens Wikipedia's validity. If Fox don't care then you could email them and ask them to release all the screenshots under a free licence (eg public domain would be nice). I'd love to keep the images, but I'd like to keep Wikipedia running (ie no law suits) too. If you do send that email to fox let me know, I won't delete any until they respond.--Commander Keane 07:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

The images can be made fair use, you need to make sure each image relates to the main plot mentioned in the episode summary or a central character of the episode with appropiate captions, sourcing and fair use rationale on the image page. I recently worked on List of South Park episodes which has become a featured list after i reworked all the images on the page. During the nomination it was agreed by everyone that the images under wikipedia's current policies are now fair use. If anyone can take the time the images on this page can be made fair use but it will take a lot of work and i cant guarantee wiki policy wont tighten to the point they have to come down in the end anyway. Discordance 17:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

You could have left the tables alone after removing the images keane, if people want to take the time to add fair use images theyve got to revert all the tables now. Discordance 02:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, we should keep the tables the same. Anyway some of the images we can use, like ones that aren't screenshots. I'm going to revert the tables back and keep the images that we can use. --DChiuch 06:23, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've put the tables back and kept the images that were released to promote the episodes. Discordance, you said something about we could make them fair use, but it would take a while. I would be willing to do it, so could you tell me exactly what needs to be done. --DChiuch 10:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Many of the images have this tag:

Copyrighted This image is a screenshot of a copyrighted television program or station ID. As such, the copyright for it is most likely owned by the company or corporation that produced it. It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution screenshots

qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, might be copyright infringement. For more information, see Wikipedia:Non-free content.

To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline, as well as the source of the work and copyright information.

Is this OK, under fair use? If so, many of the images are OK.--DChiuch 11:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately not the images need to be sourced and have fair use rationales. Which means you need to give the web address where you found it and you need to specify why it is fair use in each case. Have a look at the images on List of South Park episodes for examples. If i get time ill try and write an example or two here Discordance 14:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Can people please stop readding images for now? Your missing Keanes point and mine all the images could have been fair use but none of them are currently. Look at Image:SouthPark101.gif the page describes what the picture is about, tells you where I got it from, is tagged as a TV screenshot, and tells you why I believe it to be fair use. All of those things are required and on top of that the list must talk about something to do with the picture, in this case the list says "Space aliens implant a transmitter in Cartman and abduct Kyle's brother." along with the image's caption its quite clear what has been implanted in cartman. I could possibly make the page clearer by moving the copyright information into the licensing section and making a heading for the source. Discordance 17:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Almost DC have a look at the changes i made to Image:7G08.jpg. Once the image has a source listed its fair use, if you dont know where its from youll have to find another image im afraid. If possible one website with screenshots for every episode should be chosen and new screenshots downloaded from there, makes everything easier in the long run if theyve all got the same source. Ill have a look for a website tomorrow. Discordance 03:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Discordance, I agree, we should find a website with screenshots for each episode. That way they will it will be easier, and it wont look strange that some are screenshots and some are promotional pictures. --DChiuch 06:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey I found this website, [1], it has screenshots from season 1, season 2, and most of season 3. If we don't find anything better I think we should use these. EDIT - I also found this one, [2], it has screenshots from all the episodes in season 1, 2 & 3. EDIT2 - This has screens from season 1 to 5, [3]. --DChiuch 07:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I found this website (http://www.simpsonsmpg.net/), it has images for every episode. I've uploaded the images for season 1 and done the fair use stuff. Would you accept this? --DChiuch 08:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

This site (http://duffzone.co.uk) has images from most episodes, and a wide array to choose from to make sure the image is relevant to the plot, so there won't be the problem of having some random image of Homer or Bart that has nothing to do with the synopsis. (http://www.lardlad.com) also has a nice selection and was a site used before, but does not have images from every season. Ginothewino 04:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The site listed above (Simpson Crazy, which as it happens I own) has screenshots in the episode guide, which in nearly all cases are descriptive of the episode: [4] So feel free to use those. Scott 00:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated bogus Season 18 edits

We need to find some way of stopping people from making the same edits to Seasons Seventeen and Eighteen - it's so annoying to have to delete it every time. Things like "Wrecks of the Homeribbean" and "Simpsons Christmas Stories II" are complete bull. DVD Smith 18:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

We should make a rule that when adding new episodes you have to supply a source. This will stop people making fake episodes. If you agree with this rule reply here. --DChiuch 05:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. All my info comes from fansite No Homers Club, which always gets its information from genuine sources. I've noticed that all of the bogus edits are done by anonymous people - maybe the semi-protection needs to be reinstated. DVD Smith 16:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

That's true. I agree, we should reinstate it. Do you know how to make that rule? If so I think we all agree that it should be reinstated. Also we should say that you have to include a edit summary and a source of your information. --DChiuch 07:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. Problem is, I have no idea how to go about that. Maybe we sould ask Tregoweth or someone who does. --DVD Smith 14:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The article remained in good shape when the semi-protection policy was in place, so I would also agree on its reinstatement. Keit 01:17, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, so its agreed, we will reinstate it. Does anyone know how? We should ask the person that did it previously to do it again. Does anyone know who did it? --DChiuch 04:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

By the looks of the Unsigned Comment section, it was Tregoweth. And even if he didn't put it in place, he would know who did. --DVD Smith 11:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Hey, all -- I've re-protected the article. Edit away! :) tregoweth 14:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm gonna add the genuine S18 info. Thanks, Trego. --DVD Smith 21:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] THX logo?

Which episode was the THX logo used in?

  • That would be Burns' Heir (1F16). The THX logo/sound shows up right before Mr. Burns' message looking for an heir. Baseballfan 10:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of The Simpsons media

I think things like the music videos and links to the ads and shorts etc should be moved to the above page. This page should be about episodes only. Creating a media page will assist in disambiguating this page somewhat. Any objections? Discordance 19:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this page should only be for episodes. The shorts already have their own page on The Tracey Ullman Show shorts, and the ads have their own page. I think we should put the ads, music videos, and christmas message on 1 page (List of The Simpsons media). If there are any objections say here, if not I will create that page. --DChiuch 06:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know, no one objected so I've created the List of The Simpsons media page. The television advertisements, music videos and the UK Christmas message are now there. --DChiuch 09:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

the series itself is media and I meant use the media page as an overall list. have a look at the small changes ive made. Discordance 17:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Tregos reverted my change but i still think it works better pointing people back to the media page and using it as a main page. Discordance 17:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

"This is a list of The Simpsons episodes. For a list of the shorts see The Tracey Ullman Show shorts. For a list of television advertisements and music videos see List of The Simpsons media." I think should become "Main article: List of The Simpsons media" And the lede should be altered to say: "This is a list of The Simpsons episodes. For other Simpsons related media see List of The Simpsons media." Or how about "For a list of the shorts, television advertisements, and music videos see Main article: List of The Simpsons media." Discordance 19:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Well I don't really care what it says at the top, as long as the episodes have a separate page. So if you want go ahead and change it. --DChiuch 07:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] which episode was it

when bart kept lying so who wouldn't do a test?

Pece Kocovski 08:04, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, he's lied lots of times, but I think the one you mean is "Bart Gets an F", from season 2. --DVD Smith 11:46, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

no exactly, but the one i ask, was when he was attacked by a alaskan timber wolf in class, then groundskeeper willie wrestled the wolf.

Pece Kocovski 02:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah right - that was Marge Gets a Job, Season 4. --DVD Smith 21:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The french list of the Simpsons episodes

I find this page hard to read, relating to the french version. I think it's easier to read a simple list without to much informations and links to complete description. 84.103.210.43 22:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Gael

[edit] Firefox Image Problem

I'm a user a Firefox, and I've noticed that the picture for Flaming Moe's doesn't work. Instead it just has a link to the image page. In Internet Explorer there is no problem. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If so, can anyone think of a solution? --DChiuch 06:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm also using Firefox (and the original uploader) and it seems to work fine for me. Is this a persistent problem you've had, or a one-time occurrence? --Mcmillin24 15:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a persistent problem, its happened since we re-did all the images. What version of Firefox are you using? I'm using 1.5.0.1, so I don't see why there should be a problem. --DChiuch 06:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm using 1.5.0.1 and I don't seem to have any problems. Have you tried refreshing the page. Theshibboleth 04:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Just use Internet Explorer. That's what I do. 206.47.141.21 16:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course i've tried refreshing the page, lol, i've tried a lot more than that. And no, i'm not just going to change to Internet Explorer, Firefox is clearly better. Anyway the problem seems to have cleared up, i suspect it was just a problem in my brower's cache. --DChiuch 09:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In Australia

Is there any particular reason as to why this list was added? As of right now it seems a bit out of place, perhaps each date would be better off on the page of each individual episde? KDLarsen 23:41, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming Episodes

I'm not sure this section is required. While I'm an inclusionist, upcoming episodes of a show really isn't encyclopedic, requires a lot of maintenance, and can be found elsewhere on the Internet [5]. I'd argue against its inclusion.

And if it is kept, Sky One schedules should also be listed under UK. - Wezzo (talk) (ubx) 14:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

does any1 no when the new simpsons episodes will air in Australia??

I vote against this section. It will require too many updates that people will end up not doing. Wikipedia is not TVGuide. Also, it contains errors: Last Updated on Monday, April 10, 2006 at 4:27am (London Time), 11:27pm (New York Time). How can this be updated at 11:27 pm New York time when it's now only 9:33 am New York time??? Also, who calls this New York time? It's called eastern time. 206.47.141.21 13:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Not only does it now have a detailed (though soon out of date) section, but there is now The Simpsons Upcoming Episodes and four subpages linked to it. I was going to mark them for deletion, but I didn't want to bite the newbie. I'm going to delete the section from this page anyway, as it's big enough, and leave the link to the pages. If anyone has an opinion on whether they should be marked for deletion, say so. Iorek85 23:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Someones already beaten me to marking them for deletion. Iorek85 23:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australia

can any1 plz tell me when the new simpsons episodes will air in Australia?

[edit] Airdates

(Posted this on the WikiProject talk page, and got nothing, so I'm posting it here):

Recently people have been adding episode airdates from other countries- Simpsons Christmas Stories and We're on the Road to D'ohwhere have UK airdates, and Bonfire of the Manatees has an Australian airdate. I haven't found any others, though.

Should the episode articles contain US airdates only, or should they all have airdates from other countries? IMDb has a complete listing of all UK Simpsons airdates from mid-1995 onward (and several from 1993-4) added by myself, but finding ones for other countries may be tricky. Plus, what if people start adding French, Spanish, Outer Mongolian airdates - do we allow them, or just ones for English-speaking countries? BillyH 17:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Any thoughts on this yet? It's starting to get a bit out of hand now - people are adding multiple airdates for single episodes (The Call of the Simpsons now has four US dates). BillyH 07:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I think we should keep the orignal airdates for english-speaking countries only (perhaps only USA, UK and Australia). --DChiuch 11:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me, though it's gonna take a heck of a lot of editing, going through almost 400 pages. I'll need some help! BillyH 14:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut the Quotes

I'd like to make a proposal. I've noticed that in recent episodes (such as "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bangalore") the episode will be composed primarily of quotes. Although quotes are undeniably useful in giving a feeling for the episode, we've got too much of a good thing. I'd like to make a proposal, and put it to a vote: henceforth, no new episode recap should be more than 1/4 quotes. How does that sound? -Litefantastic 23:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New format

I think the new format is really stupid, it's so much harder now to search for an episode. If it has to be done, then hey, I undersstand, just saying that it's crappy. My two cents... AMac2002 08:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I think that there should be a smaller, less detailed list of episodes with only number and name, and then a different, more expansive page for every season. See the Lost episode guide for what I'm talking about. - RikkyC 11:35, 18 April 2006 (PST)

All the episodes should be on the same page. Otherwise, what's the point of this article? Having them all together is much more useful for search purposes. If people are concerned about the size of the page, I would recommend cutting the screenshots. They can be found on the individual episode pages and are not crucial to the short summaries. Keit 04:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we still keep a description on this page? I don't remember every episode's name by heart (I'm trying to) so how can I search for an episode without a brief description?

You can bookmark this page: here It's the best version of the article in the history. It's dated April 14. 206.47.141.21 16:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I like that. I say we have 2 episode lists. This one, which will be the one that is automatically linked to, then a 2nd one which has the all the episodes on one page. That way people can choose which they they like. What do ya'll think? If no one has any objections I'm gong to do that.--Ted87 17:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kaizersoze's edits

I'd like to say that Kaizersoze has a good idea going. Having a list of just the episodes, with no description is much better than just the list of season numbers. If we really can't continue with the old complete list, it's a good compromise. Continue with your good work. 206.47.141.21 11:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Backlinks from season pages

Because I linked to the season 7 page directly I added this:

:''For list of all seasons of [[The Simpsons]], go to [[List of The Simpsons episodes]]''.

It is a kind of a proof and I don't feel emotionally attached to it. Srx 23:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] time zone

Can someone please add the correct time zones to the upcoming episodes for US, Canada and Australia? Thanks. WP 04:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WOW

I cannot believe there is such a big project about the simpsons!! Anyway, I was just wondering... this is one of the longest page in wikipedia. And it will likely be the longest when it will be finished. I saw you have already introduced subarticles. Any other idea? gala.martin (what?) 04:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Simpsons season X vs List of The Simpsons episodes (Season X)

Why is this page changing in such a fast rate without any rationale behind? Why do we have both The Simpsons season 7 (linked from this page) and List of The Simpsons episodes (Season 7) (linked from everywhere else)? Why it has duplicated content? I am tired of this... --Srx 10:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a problem with this page and many others on Wikipedia. People make major changes to articles without discussing it first on the talk pages so we end up with ugly results like that. It sucks but there's nothing we can do about that except revert the edits, which I will not do. 206.47.141.21 16:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Downloadable episodes?

Is that site that 'Downloadable Episodes' links to even legal...?

  • well it looks like someone deleted it. please sign comments.216.222.255.113 19:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i think we should return this article to its previous view?

Because i cant tell which episode im looking for, and besides, like Family guy or American Dad!, the list of episodes are easy to find. Who's with me?

Pece Kocovski 10:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No need. The individual season lists still have the pictures. Example: The Simpsons season 1 --SeizureDog 08:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The Family Guy and American Dad! lists are easier to read, because they don't have as many episodes as The Simpsons. When or if they reach 378 episodes they can't be on one page. Even if the average image is 3KB, then the whole page would be over 1MB to load, which is too much. --Maitch 13:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough.

Pece Kocovski 12:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects from Production-Codes

Is it ok to create redirects from production codes, just like DABF10 would content #REDIRECT Blame It on Lisa?--217.233.238.211 15:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What episode is this quote from?

Willie: "Brothers and sisters are natural born enemies! Like Englishmen and Scots! Or Welshmen and Scots! Or Japanese and Scots! Or Scots and other Scots! Damned Scots! They ruined Scotland..." Skinner: "You Scots sure are a contentious people." Willie: "You just made an enemy for life!" Jlaforteza 17:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore --Ted87 06:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dvd covers

Over in List of Lost episodes tehre is currently something of an edit war going on with teh dvd covers. A lot of peopel are saying that the fair use claim is invalid. I took the liberty of changing the fair use rationale for hte images to match the one used here, but its still getting removed without much of an explanation. Can someone explain whether the dvd covers are or are not valid? --larsinio (poke)(prod) 18:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I recall a minor objection in this page's featured list candidacy to the DVD covers for not being low-resolution. The fair use laws only extend to low-resolution DVD covers. As long as proper fair use rationale is used, I don't think this page has the same problem. --McMillin24 contribstalk 13:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
You need to write something about the DVDs in the lead. That way you can claim that they are used to illustrate the text. --Maitch 15:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Or, note in the lead that this article overs the topic of multiple episodes as well as DVD release info, rather than just being a simple "list". -- Ned Scott 19:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshots as fair use

In order to resolve the long standing debate over fair use of screenshots on List of Lost episodes, I am now trying to resolve the issue under the belief that the issue is an opinionated matter and not a matter of policy. Talk:List of Lost episodes#Fair use criteria number 8. I ask that people share their comments, but please try to keep the conversation in this section focused.

One thing that works against us is that the conversation tries to defend too many points at once. Try not to respond to comments about other aspects of the debate, and just take this one step at a time. Basically, respond if you think this is an opinionated matter regarding policy point 8 of WP:FUC or not.

I believe if we can break through on the issue of point 8, the rest will fall into place. -- Ned Scott 08:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blood Feud

Does anybody have anything from 1991 that shows the original airdate of the season 2 episode Blood Feud? SNPP.com(the most trustworthy unofficial Simpsons website) and here lists July 11th, 1991 but thesimpsons.com(the official website) lists August 11th, 1991. So does anybody have something like an old TV Guide to see what the airdate really was? TJ Spyke 21:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I have checked multiple sources:
While it seems strange, I would probably go with the official sources for now. --Maitch 16:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
It couldn't have aired on August 11 because that was a Sunday. If it had aired on a "special night" outside of the normal schedule, it surely would've been mentioned here. Also, SNPP says it aired as lead-in for the 2nd season premiere of Beverly Hills 90210, which did indeed air on that date. -Kaizersoze 20:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TV-14

Can Someone give me a list featuring all the Simpsons episodes rated TV-14? 'sed 00:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Can someone at least acknowledge my plea and help me find out?'sed 04:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family picture

Using a generic Simpsons image/logo everytime they are mentioned is decorative and prohibited under WP:FUC. Yes it provides visual identification, but they are not the subject of this article, and therefore illustrating them is non-essential. ed g2s • talk 21:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lead image

Handling discussions in edit summaries is bad, I am copying them here: Circeus 22:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

what is a decorative image and whether it is permissible is in dispute. Ed g2s knows this. Besides, this removal creates an orphaned image —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Will2k (talk • contribs) .
Don't be ridiculous. This image is not even illustrating the elements of the list. The family is not the subject of this article at all, nor is their appearance.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ed g2s (talk • contribs) .
if the image was that inecessary, I am sure it would have been removed at the time of it's featuring candidacy—The preceding unsigned comment was added by circeus (talk • contribs) .

WP:FUC "3. The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible." - seeing as the only reason the image is here is to make the page look nice and aid "visual identification" (although how one wouldn't understand what the list was about by reading "The Simpsons"...) by including it we are hardly trying to keep copyrighted work to a minimum on this page. ed g2s • talk 22:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Ed g2s, it is you who is being ridiculous. Despite the fact that what identifies an image as decorative or not on an article page is in question, you have unilaterally chosen to enforce your own opinion before reaching acceptance from others. Bad form. Until a resolution is reached, it is necessary to hold off on any edits of this nature. Circeus is absolutely correct. If the image had no place here, it would have been removed before passing featured article candidacy. If you are not ready to wait for a resolution on the discussion, you can recommend this article for former featured list status on account of unnecessary imagery. Under no circumstance should you make an edit for an opinion that is in dispute. All related articles should be "frozen" until a resolution is reached.--Will2k 15:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Agreed with Will2k, disputed images of this nature simply shouldn't be changed until a resolution is reached. Though I don't know how much good stating this will do because, as much as I don't want to fling insults about, it seems that Ed is either a troll or simply doesn't care about others opinions. Taking a look at Ed's contribution page it seems he does nothing other than go through dozens of pages taking out ever image which in his opinion doesn't belong. He has even gone so far as to propose an amendment to the FUC to make it more restrictive to his opinion since he has been shot down so many times before elsewhere. Mikya 04:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Ed is an admin. He isn't a troll. I trust his opinions are well-intended, though I have found his actions poorly executed.--Will2k 03:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More on the family picture

While I can see how it is perceived as non-fair use, dissenters should also see how it can be considered something more than just decorative. What irks me the most is the unilateral deletions while the subject is still under heavy discussion. Leave the image the way it was before the dispute until said dispute is resolved here. Otherwise you are just being rude and inconsiderate. --Will2k 03:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

There is not rationale for a use this page. You can claim one on the image talk page, but I will contest it. The amendment is a clarification of what is already meant by our policy, that is we only use fair use when we have to i.e. when the family is the subject of the article. In the case of copyright disputes, content should always be ommitted until it is cleared. This is also policy. ed g2s • talk 16:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season articles

After I've removed the 18 season articles into List of the Simpsons episodes the season articles could be deleted. --Xls 21:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if you're going to do this, it would be much wiser to make the individual season articles template pages and include them in here that way. --Kaizersoze 21:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "List of vehicles in The Simpsons" currently up for deletion

List of vehicles in The Simpsons is currently an AfD candidate. You are invited to partake in this discussion. --Czj 04:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging season articles

I've reverted the merging of the season articles. On this talk page in the section "Far too long" we agreed that the article gets far too long and I still agree with that.--Maitch 12:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The episode list is {{inuse}} --Xls 12:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't care that you are not done. I don't want you to merge the season articles. --Maitch 12:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The major problem is loading time. We can't have a page where the user should download over one MB in order to see it. --Maitch 12:58, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Width in tables, UK air dates

My edit was not vandalism... I cannot see a compelling reason why the tables in this list need to be set to 700px, which looks poor in 800x600 screens. Yes, I understand it keeps the tables uniform widths, but I don't consider that compelling. And perhaps UK air dates on Season 18 should be dumped... the Simpsons is an American show and other airdates are of little importance. - RoyBoy 800 16:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the UK air dates should be removed - so I've removed them. The tables should have an uniform width. If you think you can make it look good with a shorter width, then you could try that. --Maitch 19:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Well some seasons won't look good (episode title will take two lines), but my point is there should be no width at all so that the tables can adapt to a given resolution and even a floating browser window (not maximized) without forcing a horizontal bar. - RoyBoy 800 22:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I would prefer two lines for some episodes and an uniform width to no width at all. --Maitch 23:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should we change the Season 9 color for the episodes

Okay, now that we have the Season 9 DVD cover, should we change the color for the Season 9 episode template?

[edit] Proposal for updates to Season 18 pages for evaluating bot list generation

I'd like to add some templates to the pages of all the episodes (so far) in Season 18. These will have no visible effect, but are used by the bot ListGenBot to read data from the pages and compile lists.

This bot is currently approved for testing, so I am only proposing changing Season 18. The bot will generate pages containing the data on the episode pages, ordered by section or alphabetically - see User:ListGenBot/Details for full details.

I'm aware that many of the data items on these pages already have list pages, but I propose generating independent list pages from the bot and evaluate the worth of adding some of those lists (dynamically updated) to other pages.

My proposal is to make invisible updates to the Season 18 episode pages but the bot will only read these pages, it will make no updates, so there is no risk of corrupting existing episode data. I'll add the templates with HTML comments to explain their use.

I'll create list pages that the bot will maintain (probably as subpages of this page) until their worth is evaluated and there's a consensus to integrate them into other pages. If there is that consensus, I'll add the templates to all the other episode pages.

Please let me know if anyone has concern or wants clarification with this exercise --Mortice 18:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If you're interested in this, there's minor discussion going on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Simpsons --Mortice 20:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox pictures

Is it possible to replace the pictures in the infoboxes of each episode with the episode's own promo card (if, of course, there is one)? Some of the images in the infoboxes are of low resolution, and in my opinion, it would be good to use the official card Fox released for the episode. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dan m90 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC).