Talk:List of The Golden Girls episodes

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result of the discussion was to redirect all of the episode articles to this page's list of episodes.

All of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. That is unlikely to happen, and these only contain overly long plot summaries, trivia, and quotes. Per that, they need to be a small part of this list. If there are no objections, these will be redirected soon. TTN 18:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I object. What's wrong with having information out there? The sources can be added later. 04:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.142.27.82 (talk • contribs) diff

The information has been out there, and now they needs to be sourced or redirected. TTN 04:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Good thing those are merely guidelines and not laws! --Nricardo 01:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Unless something is up with the guideline (a disputed tag or something) or this is an exception (These are the same as all of the others), guidelines are to be followed pretty throughly. Just saying "Oh, those are merely guidelines." doesn't help you at all. TTN 01:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Five pillars. Please see the fifth one. Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. --Nricardo 11:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

That isn't how that works. That is only used for things like policy violations and very extreme circumstances. TTN 14:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand. I am interpreting your comment as saying that we can ignore the rules with regards to policy violations, but not with regards to guidelines (which are really just community suggestions)? That's not right, so obviously I'm misreading your statement. What is your motivation with all this anyway? Wouldn't your time be better spent working on articles of interest to you, rather tahn destroying articles of interest to others? --Nricardo 15:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You cannot just ignore guidelines that you don't like. That has nothing to do with the policy or anything like that. Only things like WP:BLP violations ever fall under that rule. Even then, it has to be stretched sometimes. Fiction is mostly in disrepair on this site. To help make it better, I like taking the forgotten trash in the garage to the dump more than tidying up the already clean house. TTN 15:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I have listed this under the episode review to avoid any sort of wikilawyering crap with the above user. Sorry for not listing the episodes, but it seems fairly redundant when discussing on the actual list. TTN 12:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think skipping the explicit listing on the talk page might be a good thing - less busy work and and no possibility of accidental omission. I believe that we need to do larger block at a crack; whole shows, not just specific seasons. --Jack Merridew 13:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

• Agree. These articles clearly fail the standard outlined at WP:EPISODE. No amount of fan-driven wikilawyering can change that. Redirect ALL to LOE. Eusebeus 12:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

• I have not reviewed all of these episodes, but those I have certainly fail and should be redirected. Will comment further in a day or so. --Jack Merridew 13:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yo, can we keep this civil?!?! Accusations of "wikilawyering" are not exactly nice. Besides, the wikilawyering began with the imposition of neo-rules like "episode notability". Somebody decides there aren't enough rules, so let's create some, and in the process why don't we ignore the pillars on which Wikipedia was founded. We'll just misinterpret them and relegate them to the dustbin of irrelevance. Let's destroy information while we're at it. Pop culture doesn't count. People only come to Wikipedia for serious, scholarly information. --Nricardo 17:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Nricardo, I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint. What I'd like to see in Wikipedia articles on television episodes is context, which means something more than plot summaries and in-universe trivia. To that end, you might want to look in sources like this or even this. Sources like this and this may also be useful, but their reliability is questionable since they appear to be self-published (or nearly so). Commentary on the specific episodes from DVDs may also have some useful content.

I would advise you (and anyone else who's interested in keeping individual articles for these episodes) to find sources which discuss these specific episodes, and improve the articles accordingly. If you do that, the objections will fade away. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look into those. --Nricardo 22:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking at these articles and have not found anything meeting the episode guidelines; these could all be covered better in a summary in the LOE; the articles should redirect there. --Jack Merridew 11:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] motion to close

see: recent changes

Discussion has gone stale and it is time to move on. I've seen nothing that establishes notability of any of these articles - and I do see more non-notable articles appearing, so I think we're done here. Articles will be redirected absent significant editing in the near future. --Jack Merridew 10:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

nb: oldid of LOE prior to delinking. --Jack Merridew 10:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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