Talk:List of Telecaster players
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[edit] Cleanup
I tagged this list for cleanup, because I'm starting to doubt its value, since just about anyone who plays electric guitar has used a Tele at some point. I have doubts about the notability of some of the musicians listed--not merely whether they are themselves notable, but whether they are notable as Telecaster players. The list started as a remedy to the indiscriminate additions that were being made to the list of notable players on the main Telecaster page. Since then, the list has grown immensely, and while it has benefitted from better organization, I'm not sure that all or most of the information here is really useful. If it is to be kept, I believe entries must be pared down and limited to just those players who use the Telecaster as their "signature" instrument, or who have performed "classic" tracks on the instrument (for example, Jimmy Page's use of a Tele on Stairway to Heaven would warrant his inclusion). As a heuristic test for the first criterion, I suggest that an artist should not be included on the list if, in answering the question "What instrument does this musician play?", a knowledgeable fan is not immediately compelled to say "Why, the Telecaster, of course!" as a first answer. Rohirok 00:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alphabetize!
I really wish people would alphabetize their additions to this page, and maybe add some notes about what songs or albums the artist used the Tele on, or what kind of Tele they happened to use. Anyway, I'm through alphabetizing this list. Damned lazy bastards. Rohirok 04:09, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Standards for the list
This article in its current state is of dubiouis merit, as it is mostly an indiscriminate list of musicians who happen to have touched a Telecaster at some point in their careers. Use of the Telecaster is so ubiquitous among guitar players that the mere fact that a particular player happens to have strapped one on at a performance, or has been seen using one in a video, is hardly significant. If the only criterion for inclusion is that an artist has used a Telecaster at some point, then this list could be expanded into hundreds, perhaps thousands of entries. For example, perhaps half or more of electric guitarists in the country genre alone have been seen with one of these guitars. Yet such expansion would offer little significant information to the reader. The reader needs to know why it's notable that a particular artist used the Telecaster.
To give this article more substance, I will be going through it and deleting entries for which I cannot find a source, or whose use of the Telecaster is not significant to their careers or to the history of the model. Of those artists for whom their use of the Telecaster is notable, I will be including a brief note which explains why such use is notable. Rohirok 19:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I support your idea. Just about every guitar model has a "POV" user list that requires close scrutiny. Good luck with your task! Cheers! Anger22 19:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Who's missing? Who doesn't belong?
Where´s Bruce Springsteen? I was surprised with his absence in the article.
- I found a reference. He's in now. Rohirok 01:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure Bob Dylan belongs in this list, but I can't find a proper reference confirming extended use. I'm removing him until I can find one. Rohirok 02:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Jon Buckland (Coldplay) isn't on here, but his wikipedia entry says he uses Telecasters
[edit] Players who possibly/probably belong on the list, but need references
This is a list of artists who possibly or probably belong in the article, but for whom proper references have not yet been found to confirm their notability as Telecaster players. I've placed them here so that editors can better discuss their merits as prospective list entries, as well as to expand the effort to find proper sources. Please feel free to add names (in proper alphabetical order, please!) of artists whom you think belong on the list. Please also strike (<s>strike</s>) the names of artists who have been added to the article with a proper reference, or artists whom consensus indicates definitely do not belong on the list. Thank you. Rohirok 17:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Jim Root of SlipKnoT,is a tele user.I dont have many references why hes prominent,but his signature model is coming out around 2007.
- Removed Jeff Beck entry from IP user with no citation (and was probably a tad too long anyway). Any issues please raise on my talk. Liverpool Scouse 09:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Ed Bickertand his old Tele are featured in an old Guitar Player magazine, but volume and issue number have not yet been identified.
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- Guitar Player Magazine, July 1987 contains a feature article entitled the Canadian Guitar Summit focusing on a collaboration between Ed Bickert, Rik Emmett, Liona Boyd and Alex Lifeson. Have not yet found a quote from it to include as a ref for Bickert's Tele use(although it is mentioned) Anger22
- Bickert is now in the article with his reference. Rohirok 01:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Guitar Player Magazine, July 1987 contains a feature article entitled the Canadian Guitar Summit focusing on a collaboration between Ed Bickert, Rik Emmett, Liona Boyd and Alex Lifeson. Have not yet found a quote from it to include as a ref for Bickert's Tele use(although it is mentioned) Anger22
- Jim Campilongo is a Tele master. In a Puremusic.com review, the reviewer specifically mentions that Campilongo should be on the distinguished Telecaster player short list. Though he may be best known as the guitarist of The Little Willies, which is to say, not very well known, his talent and mastery, so specifically tied to this instrument, should qualify him to be a less well known name among the famous on any list of great Telecaster playsers. Check him out. Davement
- Bob Dylan used Tele when he first went electric, and many times throughout his career. Accounts of his famous first-ever electric performance at the Newport Folk Festival differ, claiming he used either a Tele or a Strat.
- Terry Kath appeared to favor a unique stickered Tele.
- Richie Kotzen is described as a guitar virtuoso, and is pictured with Tele in his article.
- Prince is definitely a Tele player, and also seen playing a bizarrely shaped Tele-inspired guitar.
- Tom Morello has a Telecaster on his standard equip. list but isn't one of his "named" guitars.
- Mick Ronson seems more identified with the Les Paul, but has used Tele, and his Tele is part of the inspiration for notable Tele player Marty Stuart's Fender tribute model.
Arlen Rothhas been called a highly notable Tele user, is an author of several books, and has been an editor for Guitar Player magazine.
- Roth has been added with his reference. Rohirok 01:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- Eddie Vedder is definitely a Tele player, and once said he had an affair with the Tele.
- I'm definitely sure that Eddie Vedder must be in this list, here is the link to his gear according to pearl jam synergy, and if you look at his article you can see that he's playing a telecaster. Tony
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- Does 'just playing' one make it notable? Rohirok already has him on the list of "potentials" in the section just below this one. What needs to be found is a citation that clarifies his use as notable or extensive. He isn't just a Tele player...he also uses an SG quite often so finding a good citation for "notable Tele use" could be tricky. Anger22 03:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Ok, here are some links/pics of him through his career, the date stamp in them is different on each and usually they have intervals of one year or more:
- I would like to know what notable is for you all, because, to me he would be very notable, but, talking about extensive, he has been an extensive telecaster player. Greetings. Tony 06:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Paul Wong is definitely a Tele enthusiast.
I'm sorry I don't know how to reference, but the following should definately be in the list. I can probably find more references if necessary.
- Graham Coxon (b. 1969) a solo artist and former member of Blur, Graham is known for having and playing a number of telecasters including most famously his Fender American '52 Telecaster (blonde reissue) which features a Gibson PAF humbucker pickup in the neck position. (Sorry I couldnt find the way to reference magazines. But it is in the UK issue of Guitarist magazine, April 2006, issue 275, page 52-53. Written by Micheal Leonard)
- Jeff Buckley (1966-1997), played a telecaster for the majority of his live performances.
(This can be seen on the Live DVD - Asin: 0738900672, 2000)
TWO MORE:
Bob Marley played a Tele on most/all of his songs. Sorry, no reference, I just know it by listening. Check out "No Woman No Cry" for a particularly distinctive Tele sound.
Johnny Marr from The Smiths played a Telecaster. He isn't on the list yet. (unsigned)
[edit] Deryck Whibley, plus more on Jeff Buckley
In response to a message from Aguerriero: Of course, I have no objection to anyone adding someone to the list if they provide a reliable reference that shows that the musician's Tele use was notable. I had deleted Jeff Buckley earlier on the grounds that his career was just too short. However, I see no problem with putting him back in if it can be shown that he mostly used the Tele and was a highly regarded virtuoso performer, despite his short career. I don't have a reference showing that, since all I have found was a brief mention of him using one in a performance once.
I think Deryck Whibley is a dubious entry. Sum 41 is a really young group, and I haven't heard or seen anything indicating that he is a highly regarded virtuoso performer. In any case, an online forum on the band's own label's website isn't reliable. The tendency for such sources to engage in partisan promotion and puffery makes them unreliable on their own. Substantiation from a source unaffiliated with the band is needed. Rohirok 19:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
He isn't a virtuoso- he is a pop punk artist. He has nearly no musicianship as most pop punkers do..he just knows how to write catchy, poppy riffs and choruses.
If he is listed as a telecaster player simply because he thumps out power chords on a "squier", then that is sacrilige. I saw about 20 different top 40 country bands playing at a rock/blues/country festival where the guitarists used Telecasters. They are no doubt better musicians then Whibley- he doesn't even fit in a title : Top 20000 guitarists of all time. Unfortuately Derek is just another nobody- his music isnt timeless and will be gone in 10 years. Where is Hammer now? WHere is Vanilla Ice? His legacy will fade quicker then this debate on his "telecaster" playing.
/thread —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.157.71 (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Your personal opinion of Deryck Whibley's musicianship notwithstanding, Squier makes a Deryck Whibley signature model. That in itself makes his use of a Telecaster notable and worthy of inclusion in this list. Marshall Stax (talk) 00:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Solid list entry needs proper citation
John Jorgenson, considered one of the world's most versatile guitarists, has played with the Hellecasters, Desert Rose Band and Elton John. Along with Hellecasters band mates Will Ray and Jerry Donahue, all played modified versions of Telecasters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anger22 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
- Can we use the same reference as for Jerry Donahue? I haven't read it so I don't know what it's content is. Also, the link I originally provided was the Hellecaster's offical webpage which even featured a "match the face to the Telecaster" game! Also their name comes from the fact that they wanted to play the "Hell" out of their "Telecasters".... though I can't find any cite for that except our own internal Hellecasters page, which doesn't reference the comment. Liverpool Scouse 11:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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- I don't have a copy of he Bacon book so I can't comment. Will Ray's citation is a "self-ref" which isn't all that great either. I was hoping to find a different one for him too. I created the Jorgenson article a few weeks ago with the intent of finding a good Tele ref to include him on this page but got side tracked. His AMG bio mentions Tele use but not enough to include a quote here. I will dig through old GP magazines and see if I can scrounge something. Hopefully a ref will emerge soon. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 13:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Good concrete info is hard to come by. That's why I added Jerry Donahue and Will Ray and not John J. The fact Jerry and Will play Tele's as their main instrument in a notable way is incontrovertible, even though Jerry D also plays a Strat wired as a Tele :-). John J is more troublesome, since he plays so many different guitars. As far as my quote about how their name came about, it was a print interview I read years ago and can't recall where I read it.--MARQUIS111 14:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't have a copy of he Bacon book so I can't comment. Will Ray's citation is a "self-ref" which isn't all that great either. I was hoping to find a different one for him too. I created the Jorgenson article a few weeks ago with the intent of finding a good Tele ref to include him on this page but got side tracked. His AMG bio mentions Tele use but not enough to include a quote here. I will dig through old GP magazines and see if I can scrounge something. Hopefully a ref will emerge soon. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 13:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Bernie LaBarge (b. 1953) is a Canadian session guitarist, recording artist and live player. Bernie currently performs with David Clayton-Thomas. Bernie's guitar of choice since 1991 has been his ash Tele Plus.
- Wilko Johnson (b. 1947) founding member of Dr Feelgood has always played the Telecaster.
[edit] David Gilmour
Here is the text from the main article:
* David Gilmour (b. 1946) has used a Telecaster and Esquire from Fender in addition to his regularly used Fender Stratocaster. His beat-up looking Esquire was used on his 1978 self-titled solo album on backing tracks, the studio version of "Run Like Hell" from The Wall, it was pictured in the back of his 1984 solo album About Face and recently on Paul McCartney's Run Devil Run album. He used a Telecaster for some early recording and used a sunburst Telecaster for all of the guitar solos on the track "Dogs" from Pink Floyd's 1977 album Animals. He used a yellow Telecaster on "Run Like Hell" on live performances on Delicate Sound of Thunder and P*U*L*S*E.
Gilmour's use is well known, but, in keeping with the guidelines of the list a citation(s) are needed. If someone can find one they can copy the above text back in. Anger22 10:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Featured List
I think this could be a candidate for featured list. I am going to try to make some of the changes suggested in the peer review and clean up the language a bit. If anyone doesn't agree, just revert me and post a note here. --Aguerriero (talk) 19:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- It looks like the reference link for the Status Quo members expired. I looked them up using the Internet Wayback Machine [1], but it's just a page of broken pictures with a link to an interview. Is there any other source for this information that could be linked? 69.23.115.197 22:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I had gone ahead and promoted the list to featured status, since it had 4 support votes (counting the nomination). Then I remembered that the list must be a candidate for at least 10 days and checked to original nomination date. Oops. I reverted all the steps I took to promote it and restored its candidate status. Everything looks to be back the way it should be. The recent changes have been quite dramatic and positive. Featured list status (on the 11th!) seems pretty well assured. Well done, Aguerriero and the rest! 69.23.115.197 05:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] possible addition
Lee Gaze from Lostprophets plays a Telecaster like 90% of the time, and it sure is his main axe, and the guitar he is best known with.
Avril Lavigne played a telecaster in girlfriend and she has a custom made telecaster. reference: http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/40842789
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Leegaze1.jpg/450px-Leegaze1.jpg
reference: http://www.dragonninja.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_rocksound2006.jpg
Sorry if I didn't obey all the rules and stuff, I just wanted to give you the info.
[edit] An addition
Bo Madsen (Mew) plays a telecaster. I got no references for that but finding them shouldn't be hard 213.186.239.6 19:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] John Frusciante
Where the hell is his telecasters? He has some very pretty vintage ones. Here's a source: http://www.locborg.de/fru/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=131&Itemid=139 . John has two other tele's, but it isn't sourced there, but atleast two are there soruced for you guys to add. Xihix 01:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
- That link just indicates ownership. But does not imply notable or historical Telecaster use. It appears to be just a gear list. 156.34.210.255 01:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
- Whats your point? Not every person on that list has a "notable and historical Telecaster use". He has some very vintage guitars he's been using for quite some time. Every other one of his guitar's "Notable Players" list have him listed there. Xihix 00:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- The lead says "musicians who have made notable use of the Fender Telecaster" - "musicians are listed here only if their use of this instrument was especially significant — that is, they are players with long careers who have a history of faithful Telecaster use, or the particular guitar they used was unique or of historical importance, or their use of the Telecaster contributed significantly to the popularization of the instrument." Frusciante owns several mid-60s model Fenders incl. a couple of Teles. But he's not notable for his use of any of them other than his Strat use. And he is listed, justifiably, on the Stratocaster player list. The Strat player list is not a featured article because it is just a glorified gear list. The Tele players list is a featured article because it is a referenced and verifiable resource and an excellent companion piece to the main model article. There are many players mentioned on this talk page who are "players" but who aren't on the list because they are more notable for playing a different model. Or because a valid reference hasn't been found to prove notability, faithful use, model popularization or significantly unique instrument. Frusciante is just another "owner" who doesn't make the cut. 156.34.223.171 00:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- He uses his Telecaster on quite a few songs. To cite a few, Dani California(in the studio, not live), Can't Stop, Throw Away Your Television, Easily, Dosed(no reference, but I'm quite sure one of the guitars heard on the album is a telecaster), Universally Speaking. I'm sure there are more, these are the songs I've found in a short amount of research on youtube and in my album collection. WhiteHand 11:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- John did popularize the Telecaster quite a bit. He's been playing the Telecaster for over 20 years and continues playing them for live songs like Around The World which has a signature Telecaster country twang to it. He should be included here.
- He uses his Telecaster on quite a few songs. To cite a few, Dani California(in the studio, not live), Can't Stop, Throw Away Your Television, Easily, Dosed(no reference, but I'm quite sure one of the guitars heard on the album is a telecaster), Universally Speaking. I'm sure there are more, these are the songs I've found in a short amount of research on youtube and in my album collection. WhiteHand 11:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
- The lead says "musicians who have made notable use of the Fender Telecaster" - "musicians are listed here only if their use of this instrument was especially significant — that is, they are players with long careers who have a history of faithful Telecaster use, or the particular guitar they used was unique or of historical importance, or their use of the Telecaster contributed significantly to the popularization of the instrument." Frusciante owns several mid-60s model Fenders incl. a couple of Teles. But he's not notable for his use of any of them other than his Strat use. And he is listed, justifiably, on the Stratocaster player list. The Strat player list is not a featured article because it is just a glorified gear list. The Tele players list is a featured article because it is a referenced and verifiable resource and an excellent companion piece to the main model article. There are many players mentioned on this talk page who are "players" but who aren't on the list because they are more notable for playing a different model. Or because a valid reference hasn't been found to prove notability, faithful use, model popularization or significantly unique instrument. Frusciante is just another "owner" who doesn't make the cut. 156.34.223.171 00:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- Whats your point? Not every person on that list has a "notable and historical Telecaster use". He has some very vintage guitars he's been using for quite some time. Every other one of his guitar's "Notable Players" list have him listed there. Xihix 00:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Signature and/or replicas
Wouldn't it make sense to note the players that have signature models?
- It would make more sense just to stick a comment in the main Tele article saying: "Fender makes signature models for many notable players. A link to the Fender signature model website is hereinclude Fender.com link 156.34.210.255 22:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a good idea, but the fender site doesn't cover all the signature models. For example, there were 2 Jerry Donahue teles (American & Japanese models) but they're no longer there. Peavey now do a Jerry Donahue model (tele-shaped). Has anyone an idea how this information might be best included? Doozy88 16:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Suggested inclusions
If memory serves, Steve Morse used a telecaster for years, albeit a heavily modified one, before he switched to his signature Music Man models. And Mike Stern is also a noticable user, although his signature model is made by Yamaha. Doozy88 12:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] More Jeff Buckley
Regarding Jeff Buckley, He was definitely a tele player (see here. As for him being a "highly regarded virtuoso performer" I believe he is, and if you follow these links, there is some evidence (there would be more, but i assembled this post in a hurry.
His version of hallelujah was named rolling stones #259th greatest song of all time
Robert plant and Jimmy Page where complementary of himPage even called it the best thing he had heard in Years)
And in the documentary "Jeff Buckley: Everybody Here Wants You" He was complemented by people ranging by a wide range of people vareying from record representatives to Brad Pitt
I am going to add him to the list (using the old paragraph that was removed earlier because i dont wanna write a new one). If anyone has an issue with buckley, remove him again i guess. But i feel i have provided sufficient evidence to add him to the list
Would someone be willing to write an entry for buckley, i would but i dont feel that i am a strong enough writer, or know enough about jeff Ninandnirvana 20:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC) 23:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Kurt Cobain
I have removed the following "* Kurt Cobain (1967 - 1994), he had a white left-handed telecaster, known for be the last Cobain's "favorite" guitar. He was known for play with Fender Mustang guitars and, usually, some Fender Jaguar, and at the end of his carrer, his own Fender Jag-Stang line."
I removed it due to the fact that it is somewhat poorly written, unsourced and kurt cobain was not a notable tele player--Ninandnirvana 20:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- Whether notable or not, as far as I'm aware, the majority of the videos out there of Nirvana playing live feature one. I agree with you about the writing quality, quite terrible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteHand (talk • contribs) 12:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Cobain was not a tele player. He used jaguars and mustangs. He also used cheap strats when he planed on smashing the guitar. Although he occasionally used teles, they were not a main guitar of his. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.214.229.81 (talk) 03:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Another Jeff Buckley Request
I would definitely say that Jeff Buckley should be up here. The Telecaster has never been exclusive to country/classic rock and I recently have purchased a 400 pound telecaster mostly thanks to the inspiration of Jeff Buckley (not on the list), Radiohead and Bloc Party (again, not on the list.) It seems quite biased to me that most of these artists here are country/classic rock/blues. The beauty of the Tele is that it can be used for those styles, as well as funk, alternative, pop and many more.
There are many reasons that Jeff should be on here:
There is a double album of his called "Live at Sin-é," which features only a Telecaster played clean or with a bit of reverb. How many artists on this list have recorded a double album using only a telecaster and vocals? Listening to this album is the perfect way for learning the tone of the Tele.
Hallelujah, and several recordings of his have a very unique sound out of his Tele. This sound I'm talking about is him doing slow melodic fingerpicking using a capo in middle/high position with reverb and incredibly minimal overdrive to add emphasis to the loud parts. I can't think of another tele player to have done that.
Obviously, everyone wants to see their favourite artist on here and I'm no exception - but I have tried several times to edit with no luck and it seems that there are several people discussing Jeff on this page who want to see him up there so I would be extremely grateful if I saw Jeff up here one day.
Yes, his career was short but I am certain that the amount of hours that Jeff spent in his lifetime holding a Tele is more than Bob Dylan and David Gilmour put together any day. As an example, anyone that's seen footage of Jeff and knows something about guitars will always assosciate him with his tele whereas thy would think of a strat if they thought of David Gilmour. This confuses and frustrates me - and I also think that it would be a good rememberance of Jeff's skills after ten years since his tragic passing.
I am sorry that I don't have a wikipedia account and that I'm so bad at this so I'll sign it with an X.
- Jeff Buckley's been one person that editors have been wanting to add for quite some time. The problem is, no one has yet found the right sources to make it happen. If a reliable source can be found confirming that Jeff Buckley was a faithful Telecaster player and a highly regarded guitar virtuoso, then he ought to be put in. I think that latter criterion has been met. All that's needed is a reliable source for his faithful or almost exclusive Tele use. I have not found that in any of my books, but someone else might in some other source. Nick Graves 03:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A2380510
http://www.jeffbuckley.com/rfuller/buckley/faq/25gear.html
On the last link – it says that during his funeral – his main telecaster sat on stage next to his urn. I don’t think you’d put a guitar next to someone’s urn unless it was a huge part of their life as Jeff’s Telecster was.
In addition to those links – almost all youtube footage of Jeff will show him playing a telecaster. So I hope that with those links, the huge public backing visible on this page and the reference you stated about proof that Jeff was a highly regarded guitar virtuoso, - that you or – someone else can put him up here as he deserves to be.
PS: Will someone take down David Gilmour and Bob Dylan? David Gilmour is highly notable for the Stratocaster – definitely and Bob Dylan is highly notable for his incredible lyrics – but neither of these artists have shaped the sound as much as other artists on this list.
And also – I’m pretty sure Jeff has shaped the telecaster sound more that the guitarist from Blur who basically just played chords and the occasional basic solo or arpeggio.
<Signed: The same person who created this discussion point>
- The first 2 weblinks do not pass WP:RS. The third fails RS and WP:V. The internet is a horrible place to find quality references. Books are much better. Tony Bacon's Telecaster book is cited on this page quite a bit. And if Buckley were truly notable one would think he would've ended up in the Bacon book. But his 'non-presence' here would indicate no. Bacon's recently updated "The Fender Electric Guitar Book" would be the next best resource for any kind of notability ref. I am holding that book in my hands right now... no mention anywhere of Buckley in there either. As for the previous comments about David Gilmour. His notability is referenced up the ying yang. Yes he's a notable Strat player. But his tele use is more than well documented. Bob Dylan as a Telecaster player is no more notable than.. me as a Telecaster player... skill wise or whatever. But Dylan going electric is one of the top 5 monumental moments in Rock n Roll history. And he did it with a Tele in his hand. Even if he hadn't taken the time to plug it in... "Dylan goes electric"... with a Tele... gets him front row centre on a list that requests notability with the model. Buckley aside... I think the most disheartening omission from the list is... and has always been Terry Kath. Surely a ref can be found for him and his Tele smothered in Pignose stickers. 156.34.224.2 (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
So; because David Gilmour played a Telecaster a few times and it was very well documented - it's okay for him to be on this list as opposed to Buckley - who it seems pretty obvious to me and countless others probably including yourself, ate off his Telecaster. And also, is Tony Bacon is the final word on Telecaster players? Is it that if he doesn't see fit to add Buckley to his book - he won't be added to this list? This list is suppsosedly one of the best lists on Wikipedia yet to me it just seems to be what a few people and a few books supposedly say. The next thing I'm going to see on this list is that Avril Lavigne has been added because she has a signature Squier model and it's "well-documented." Give me a fucking break.
(I'd like to here that I am a big fan of almost all the artists on here - ranging from Frank Black, to Muddy Waters, Keith Richards and many others including David Gilmour and Bob Dylan.) I'm not just some indie kid who enjoys only Jeff Buckley, Coldplay, Keane etc.
Anyway, my angryness aside, - in the Live at Sin-é Legacy Edition CD Booklet and in "Dream Brother: The Lives and Music of Jeff and Tim Buckley," there are books which will tell you what you already know if that's any help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.118.200 (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
From Six Decades of the Fender Telecaster, by Tony Bacon (p. 109): "Jeff Buckley appeared solo with little more than his Tele in support on Live At Sin-E, his pre-fame 1993 EP." Is that enough for his use to be considered notable? I don't think so, but it helps. A reliable source documenting almost exclusive latter-day use of the Tele would clinch it, I think. A reliable source for the Tele at his funeral would be good too.
I didn't find anything on Kath in the above book. Regarding Dylan: I recall looking into this, and found conflicting reports about Dylan's first on-stage electric guitar--some said Tele, some said Strat. Even so, the Tele did end up being a prominent feature of his early electrified period. I'm ambivalent about Gilmour. He did cut some great tracks with his Tele, but seems to have been much more partial to the Strat.
I don't think anyone who has discussed this has anything against Buckley being included. It all boils down to finding reliable sources documenting notable use. I think the sources are out there, and it's just a matter of finding them and citing them. Nick Graves (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Yeah, this is really a case of what we "know" vs. what we can back up with reliable sources. It is clear that JB has quite a following and he was certainly a great musician in his short career. He also used Tele's almost exclusively. But this is a Featured List and our criteria are clear - the artist's use of the Tele has to be notable to the point that people felt compelled to write about it in reliable sources. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 19:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Okay then - I'm changing proffesion to an author. Well, thanks for explaining all this to me everyone - I know Jeff will be up here one day - and I look forward to that day. I'll be patient and quiet now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.118.200 (talk) 23:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jesse Ed Davis should be here! His life is very UNDOCUMENTED
Jesse Ed Davis used a Telecaster for both live DVD performances he is on=
Rolling Stones Rock n Roll Circus and Concert For Bangladesh
Yet, his life is extremely undocumented. He doesnt have an official site, and since he was mainly a session musician he has no real affiliations..other than with Taj Mahal; the only band he ever was a "member".
Please someone supply a link. I have searched and cannot find any..its so frustrating to see if not the BEST session player of the 1960's-70's going without acknowledgement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.157.71 (talk) 09:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Russell Lissack
Should Russell Lissack be included? In many sorces, including his wiki page, his use of a telecaster is stated.
http://www.alloutguitar.com/interview/artists_and_bands/bloc_party039s_guitar_man_russell_lissak
Haris145 (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so I put back the Russell Lissack entry that "KP" (?) put in, but with different wording and a ref. Please change it if you wish. Haris145 (talk) 00:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bob Dylan '58 Tele
Where in the reference does it state that he owned a '58 Tele? I can't find it. To the best of my knowledge, the only "Fenders" he used during 1965 & 1966 were a whole bunch of "CBS Fenders" that were given to him by the company on the condition that they could use pictures of him, well, holding them mostly:) Pat Pending (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)