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Should the list of members on the TV show be in alphabetical order, order of appearance, or order of membership? Should it even be there? Forlong 19:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to organize this by era, not just a big list.--Wakefencer 18:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Titans West

I made some corrections regarding Titans West. There were some errors regarding membership (regarding who was on the East team and who was on the (brief) West team). Someone might want to separate out tables for the orignal team (ending around 1970, last member being Gnarrk), and the late 70's revival (members who joined then were Bumblebee and Harlequin). Bat-Girl and Golden Eagle were never member of the main (East) team in the 1970's, and Beast Boy did not join the East team until the Wolfman/Perez revival.

Chris1435 00:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Take Steel IV off the list!

Natasha Irons didn't join the Titans. She wanted to, but her uncle wouldn't let her. Weither she has at some point is unknown.

[edit] Regarding Wiki Comic Project guidelines

In light of the conversations here and here I'm editing the lists to fall in line with the guidelines spelled out on the Project pages, specifically:

— J Greb 23:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding material from yet to be published issues...

Since then general guide line is to wait until an issue is published, I've removed the list for Deathstroke's Titans East. Granted the issue has been solicited, and there are interviews out giving teasers about the team, but changes happen.

If the info is shown as correct next month, the section can be added back. If not, it can be added back and corrected... — J Greb 23:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is getting extremely silly

While I'm all for listing the various codenames a character used, it should be limited to the names used when an active member of the team.

That means the following should not be included.

  • Dick Grayson: Batman - He was not active with the Titans for the (very short) period he used the ID. (By the same token that he is only listed as "Nightwing" on the JLA list.)
  • Donna Troy: Wonder Woman - She only took up this name with in the past year, well after her death and rebirth. Since her return she has not been active as or with the Teen Titans.
  • Roy Harper: Red Arrow - He only just took up the name in the past month when he joined the JLA. He hasn't had a chance to use it as a Titan or in conjunction with them. (By the same token he is only listed as "Arsenal" with the Outsiders and "Red Arrow" with the JLA.)
  • Jason Todd: Red Hood and Nightwing - Both have been used solely for villainous purposes and long after he left the Teen Titans. Neither have been used by him when working with the team.
  • Bart Allen: Flash - Same situation as Donna and Roy: He just started using this name and has yet to act as a member of any team under it.
  • Kyle Rayner: Ion - During both stretches where he was using this name the only teams he worked with were the JLA (first stretch) and the Green Lantern Corps (second).
  • Jesse Chambers: Liberty Belle - She hasn't worked with the Titans since she lost her speed. She has only appeared as Liberty Belle as a member of the JSA.
  • Hank Hall: Monarch and Extant - Same as with Jason:These are villainous IDs, neither of which were used while working with the Titans, or as one.

- J Greb 16:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I've quite frankly never seen in any source material published by DC Comics membership roles listing Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Monarch, etc as members of the Teen Titans. Nor would it make sense...these are adult personas hence not "teens". These former teenage heroes graduated into adult roles after their membership with the Titans had ended. It is really quite simple...we are looking at matters from an objective chronological point of view and the above does not fit in this type of list. If the editor making these reverts would like to state their case, we'd be open to hearing their rationale. However, at this point there does not seem to be any that would encourage inclusion of these code names. Regards. Netkinetic (t/c/@) 17:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Add to the above list:

  • Malcolm Duncan: Vox - That name was taken when he joined the Doom Patrol and has never been used as a Titans member.

And on a slightly different note: Duela Dent - Full name is already properly listed under identity.

- J Greb 16:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crystal Ball, NOT (appearances and listing from unpublished issues)

Just to try and keep things on an even keel, can we not add information that is cited to books that have yet to be published?

Just so everyone is on the same page: Teen Titans vol. 3, #47 is shipping to stores this week. As in Wednesday the 30th of May. There shouldn't be anything attributed to it, #48, #49, or #50.

That said... could someone please check the the "Titans East" arc to nail down Jericho's resurrection, and if he's rejoined the team prior to #47?

As for Supergirl and the Blue Beetle... that can honestly wait until issue 50 ships folks. But if you absolutely, positively, gotta put it in before any story is published showing either as a member, just cite the Newsarama story and leave the "Joined" field blank.

- J Greb 06:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teen Titans in the DCAU

Teen Titans in the DCAU isn't really applicable to a 'List of' page, but moreso on their character pages. That would be fodder for a 'list of characters who happened to be Titans and appeared in the DCU in other places.' --Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Titans Tomorrow

Do the Titans of Tomorrow and the Kingdom Come Titans need to be listed? It seems their time lines all still exist to some degree as the Titans of Tomorrow are coming back and Kingdom Come has its own Earth.


  • No, only characters that were actualy members of the Titans should be listed.. not alternate timelines or other dimension members. (Spanneraol 00:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)).
    • But these timelines still exist in the 52 worlds, so couldn't they be considered "elseworlds Titans?" They have all appeared as Titans in the main timelines as well
      • A separate page listing elseworlds Titans maybe.. I wouldnt call them part of the main team.
        • What would be considered continuity. Kingodm Come and TItans Tomorrow both exist in the new Multiverse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.136.207 (talk) 16:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
1 small question and 2 observation:
Question: Was any group, in-story, called "Teen Titans" with in Kingdom Come or The Kingdom?
Observation 1: The current Teen Titans writer, McKeever, has stated at the Baltimore Comic-Con ( about 1/4 of the way down ) that the Titans Tomorrow are from the future of the current primary time line.
Observation 2: The list already includes an "alternate timelines or other dimension" members list in the section for the animated show.
Comment: I can see changing the layout of the list slightly so that the headers run:
  • Teen Titans / Titans
    • Original Team (1960's-1970's)
    • New Teen Titans
    • Arsenal's Titans
    • Atom's Teen Titans
    • The Titans
    • Teen Titans Post-"Graduation Day"
  • Ancillary teams
    • Titans West
    • Team Titans
    • Titans L.A.
  • Alternate versions (new section)
    • Teen Titans animated series (renamed from "Titans members in the Teen Titans animated series")
    • Titans Tomorrow (new section and in presentation order)
This isn't that much of a stretch given how the list is currently set up. - J Greb 17:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
To Answer your question there were Kingdom Come Titans. They appeared in the Titans title written by Devin Greyson in the late 90's early 2000's. 24.164.136.207 00:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
There is a difference to the characters just appearing, and the characters appearing under a specific team name. To the best of my knowledge, none of the Kingdom Come characters commented that the set, or their kids, were operating as either the "Teen Titans" or "Titans" in any of the appearances. - J Greb 22:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The Kingdom Come Titans were the children of the originals, Red Arrow(Lian Harper), Nightstar, Darkstar, Aquagirl, and Kid Flash(Iris West). They save Donna Troy and refer to themselves as the Titans from the Kingdom Come Timeline in the Titans series. 24.164.136.207 13:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Titans Tomorrow clarification needed

Are there two separate teams or are they supposed to be the same one? If it's one team, where is the Drake created clones thing coming from? - J Greb 22:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

In teen titans 51 it says that kon-el and bart allen ded and that the ones on the team were clones24.164.136.207 22:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
For a bit more clarity then: Are the deaths referred to in the future, but after the "Titans Tomorrow" arc, or are they the current continuity deaths?
If it's the first case: Bart and Conner did not in Infinite Crisis and "Fastest Man Alive" but did die at present+10 years, then I can see how they would be two separate characters. Otherwise the argument goes "retcon" or "two separate teams". - J Greb 23:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I would tend to agree. The characters should only be listed once and some mention of a "retcon to clone" perhaps. Spanneraol 00:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
The deaths that are referred to occured in continuity and when they actually occured, in Infinite Crisis and Fastest Man Alive. The timeline fluctuated killing the original Superman and Flash of Titans of Tomorrow so Batman from that timeline cloned them. there is no retcon24.164.136.207 13:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Here's the problem, there are at least three ways that can be read:
  1. In c.2015, after Robin and the Teen Titans leave, Superman and Flash wink out of existence and Batman scavenges old DNA to create the clones before the rest of the time line collapses.
  2. Sometime between 2007 and c.2015, Drake perfects a cloning process and recreated Conner and Bart. This is a retcon since there is no direct mention of Superman and Flash being Drakes handiwork in the 2005 story.
  3. The Titans Tomorrow from the 2005 arc are not the same characters as from the 2007 arc.
If there is an in story statement that option 1 is the case, ie Batman saying to Robin something along the lines of "After you left, reality started to change. I had to create Conner and Bart from the DNA up.", that citation, issue, page, and panel(s), needs to be added, both here and to the Titans Tomorrow article.
And as a side note: The way Johns wrote the first arc and the OYL material, there is an inference that the c.2015 Superman was Conner 2.0. Inclusion of that though, without a reliable, verifiable source of Johns, McKeever, and an editor stating it unequivocally, is fan spec and OR. - J Greb 15:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protected

This list article has been semi-protected in an effort to facilitate discussion as per WP:BRD. - J Greb (talk) 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)