Talk:List of Swedes

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Henri Bergson - Swedish???
S.

Sorry - got carried away there.... :-)) User:Renata

Tove Jansson belongs on the Famous Finnish people page, though her language was Swedish she lived all her life in Finland. -- User:OlofE

Further famous Swedish people who might be included:

-W indicates that the name is not found in Wikipedia
+W indicates that the name is found in Wikipedia
+W art. indicates that the person already has an article in Wikipedia

Torbern Bergman -W
Saint Birgitta (St Bridget) +W
Karl-Birger Blomdahl +W
Christina of Sweden +W art.
Olaus Magnus -W
Harry Martinson +W
Birgit Nilsson -W
Christina Nilsson (19th c. soprano) +W (under Rossini)
Martin P:son Nilsson -W
Christian Hendrik Persoon +W art.
Christopher Polhem +W
Hans Riesel -W
Johannes Rudbeck +W
Olaus Rudbeck +W
Emanuel Swedenborg +W
Nathan Söderblom +W
Elisabeth Söderström +W
Esaias Tegnér +W

S.

Added some of the above. I'll be adding actual articles in a bit. -- OlofE

A few more suggestions:

Hugo Alfvén
Hannes Olof Gösta Alfvén +W
Nils Gustaf Dalén +W
Hans Axel Fersen +W
Adolf Erik Nordenskiöld
Hampus von Post
Ragnar Östberg

(I have written article on Christina Nilsson)

S.

Err... +W? I can't find anything for, for instance, von Fersen, Rudbeck or Dalén. I wrote a short one on Gustaf Dalén - haven't done anything about Dalen (ie setting e/é straight).

Rudbeck should be either Olaus Rudbeckius (latin form) or Olof Rudbeck (swedish form) - not a mix. von Fersen should be Axel von Fersen. Hannes Alfvén (no more than that). --Olofe

Fersen, see Marie Antoinette; he is thought to have been the Queen's lover. Moreover, he visited North America. Rudbeck, see History of anatomy.
S.

Well, the EB1911 text is wrong :-P - the name is either Olof Rudbeck or Olaus Rudbeckius - I'd think the latin form would be the more international one, as for for instance Linnaeus. Sorry - I was sloppy reading what the +W really was (I had already seen and read the Antoinette part for instance). But mostly I wanted to flag for inconsistent names before somebody went ahead and made a lot of articles with too many names in them. -- OlofE 09:44 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC) Add - There is now a page for Olaus Rudbeckius. It needs more material but should serve in a pinch.
While I'm at it - Bruno Liljefors (no more or it won't match any Swedish source). Also, John Fabian Carlson? Who is that? The Swedish National Encyclopedia doesn't mention anyone with that name, nor a John or Fabian. -- OlofE 10:29 Sep 27, 2002 (UTC)

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[edit] Shortening the list

There has to be some criteria to distinguish which people who belong on the list and those who don’t. It is simply not sufficient just to be known only in a specific field or merely in Sweden or that matter. To be placed on the list there has to be at least some kind of international recognition and the limit should be set at an appropriate level to limit the list of becoming unwieldy. I have introduced a structure where less significant names may be placed in separate articles relating to specific fields and where the standards should be at a lower level. Currently I feel that the list for “Sports” might be quite long but the names generally have sufficient recognition to warrant a listing.

It could be the case that some of the names that have been weeded out actually belong on the list and the opposite that some names left in the list does not belong there. The current reject candidates, whom of which many might qualify to a list of lower dignity were:

Actors

Dolph Lundgren Victor Sjöström Åke Söderblom Ingrid Thulin

Artists

Elsa Beskow -- painter 1874-1953 Carl Oscar Borg 1879-1947 John Fabian Carlson -- painter 1875-1945 Michael Dahl -- painter, 1659-1743 Per Hasselberg -- sculptor Carl Fredrik Hill -- 1849-1911 Eugène Jansson - 1862-1915 Elias Martin -- 1739-1818 Claes Oldenburg -- sculptor (born 1929) Carl Gustaf Pilo -- painter 1711-1793 Oscar Gustave Rejlander --photographer 1813-1875 Kent Ullberg sculptor (born 1945) Carl Fredrik von Breda -- painter 1759-1818 Adolf-Ulrik Wertmuller -- painter 1751-1811

Music

Anders Glenmark – singer Adolf Fredrik Lindblad -- composer Kurt Magnus Atterberg -- composer Håkan Hagegård – baritone Tommy Körberg -- singer Tomas Ledin -- singer Joseph Martin Kraus -- composer Lars-Erik Larsson – composer Agnetha Fältskog -- ABBA Anni-Frid Lyngstad -- ABBA Per-Uno Undertun -- guitarist ABBA -- pop group S.P.O.C.K -- space pop group

Science Johann Arfvedson -- chemist Elias Magnus Fries -- taxonomist Johan Gadolin -- chemist Aristid Lindenmayer -- biologist Nils Gabriel Sefström -- chemist Peter Nilson – astronomer Svante Arrhenius -- scientist Svante Pääbo -- biologist, geneticist Sverre Sjölander -- zoologist Erik Waller -- historian of medicine Martin P:n Nilsson -- historian of religions

Sports Gert Fredriksson -- canoer Gillis Grafström -- figure skater Ove Kindvall - football player Jonny Nilsson - speed skater

Writers Wilhelm Ekelund – poet Torgny Lindgren – novelist Marianne Fredriksson -- novelist

Other Jan Berglin -- journalist Jan Troell -- director Arvid Carlsson -- medical researcher Percy Barnevik – business leader

Also added Finland-Swedish people under a separate headline to the list. These people are not of Swedish, but of Finnish nationality. They are however Swedish speaking and culturally Swedish.

/ Mic 21:28 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

I agree with your idea and the ones selected for rejection are mostly good choices. The following are the only ones (of those rejected) that I feel are relevant in an international context,

ABBA, possibly ABBA members too Torgny Lindgren

Percy Barnevik, Håkan Hagegård, Wilhelm Ekelund are next in line but should probably be left out of the main list. In a topical list, they're all given.


Keep:

Victor Sjöström - internationally acclaimed, mainly because of his works with Ingmar Bergman

Elsa Beskow - also internationally acclaimed, at least in Europe and especially in Germany

C. F. Hill - he's a friggin' giant for crying out loud! Probably bigger abroad than in Sweden.

I agree with the above post about ABBA.

Jan Troell - has any Swedish director been nominated for an Oscar more often than him lately?

Arvid Carlsson - Oh, he's only the man behind some of the medical/neurochemical sciences' most important discoveries of the last century and the latest Swedish Nobel Prize laureate... ;)

I appreciate the difficulties of inclusion/exclusion criteria involved here, Mic, but do you reckon Fredrik Reinfeldt (recently appointed conservative party leader) has any "international recognition"? Even a little bit?

Another point, maybe nitpicking, on the politicians list: I'm all for making an effort to include eminent Swedish women, but, still, if Alva Myrdal is there, oughtn't Gunnar Myrdal to be as well? He's a lot better known internationally than she is, in the US especially. --Bishonen 23:27, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Music section

Mic? I'm not sure about the edit I just made, changing singer/songwriter to singer-songwriter in four places, in order to be able to wikilink. I understand that my version doesn't go so well with musician/composer, and also that singer-songwriter is subtly different in meaning, being one word - it's more Bob Dylan than Bellman. (I've used the word, I think appropriately, about Cornelis in the article about him.) Perhaps getting a link isn't worth all that - you're absolutely free to revert, of course. Bishonen 16:56, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Gunnar Johansson

Where should Gunnar Johansson be classified. What's a psychophysicist? --Edcolins 23:10, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] More Inclusive

This list should be more inclusive and not simply present links.

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