Talk:List of Stargate SG-1 episodes/Archive 3

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Screen Capture for SG-1 S10E19

I know there's been a lot of talk about getting rid of the screen captures due to possible copyright violation, but in the event they are left on, or at least until the decision is made, may want to consider getting a new screen cap for episode 1019 - the current one is an obvious plot spoiler. Had a friend who was a bit upset about seeing that before he saw the episode. --DarkLink2135 12:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It's an episode list, it is meant to contain spoilers. There is a reason for the spoiler warning on top of it. The screenshot of an episode should sum up it's content if possible (so that people searching for an episode might find the episode easier), not just a ornamentation. The image does that quite well imho, so there is no reason to change it. Actually, most images are spoilers in some way. If your friend was upset, then that's his fault for not heeding the spoiler-warning. You can't ask us to save people from their own choices ;-) --SoWhy Talk 12:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) There's talk, yes, they won't be going anywhere though. Regarding 10x19: All I can say is diddums, he should heed the spoiler warning next time.. it's comments like "it spoiled x" that make it plainly obvious that {{spoiler}} is just a placebo to keep the spoiler trolls happy. At the end of the day Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, if your friend doesn't wish to be spoiled then he shouldn't read/look at an encyclopaedia ("WIKIPEDIA CONTAINS SPOILERS AND CONTENT YOU MAY FIND OBJECTIONABLE" — Wikipedia:Content disclaimer). Matthew 12:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
The thing with that is, though, is there's a big difference between the synopsis of an episode and an actual spoiler...Adria being taken host by Baal is a very big pivotal plot point that you otherwise wouldn't know about from the brief summary on the episode list page. I'd expect to see that on the page about 1019, but not in the episode list. Although you do make a good point about people searching specifically for the episode. I suppose that would be the more frequent type of user browsing through the list. W/E, just thought I'd bring it up :). Regardless I think it's far more important to think about the users viewing the page rather than just defaulting to the "well there's already a spoiler warning there" escape route. --DarkLink2135 12:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
We do think about the viewers that's why we put a spoiler warning there.. and it's comments like yours that prove it's a waste of time. Wikipedia *is* an encyclopaedia, you can expect spoilers.. I truly don't believe it gets any clearer :-\. Matthew 13:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
In Addendum to Matthew, whose views I agree on, you have to consider the goal of these episodes lists: They are for reference and encyclopedic purposes, not as a replacement for a TV guide. As said above, their purpose is for people who already watched an episode to find the episode name and number with only knowing the content. The image allows to identify the main plot of the episode without having to read the subsequent article about it or the text associated with it, a huge timer-saver with more than 200 episodes. --SoWhy Talk 13:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Gee Matthew, sorry to barge in during your PMS. But maybe you can work on not being such a tool in the future. As my friend, and especially you prove, I guess you can't please everyone. And as you will see, in my second comment I agreed with SoWhy, who at least has the intelligence to be civil about things, instead of running off at the mouth calling people trolls. Excuse me for daring to bring up something and causing you to waste so much time in reply. At any rate, I agreed that almost all users are going to be going through the list to find episodes they have viewed before. At the time of my original post, I wasn't thinking about that, just about the specific event I was familiar with. Having an image like what is already on 1019 makes the task of finding a specific episode easier. But don't worry, in the future, I'll be sure not to think about the possible improvement of any little corner of your "encyclopaedia." EDIT: Wow, I've been going back through the rest of the page and I'm not sure why I just wasted so much time with you. Apparantly you have been a right little troll on this page yourself. At any rate, thank you SoWhy for pointing that out to me. I haven't been a registered user of Wikipedia for very long, so it helps when civil people such as yourself point out things on a larger scale.--DarkLink2135 14:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Any admins or other people in a higher position (not sure how the system works specifically) feel free to delete this portion of the discussion. I'd rather not do it myself because I know overall it goes against the wiki philosophy and I don't feel that I'm in a position to make that sort of decision. Doesn't necessarily contribute to the improvement of the SG-1 episode list overall, and as SoWhy pointed out, it's not supposed to be a TV Guide replacement :).--DarkLink2135 14:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
You are welcome. At any rate, consider that it is kind of contradictory calling other people trolls while insulting them. Matthew's reply was not very civil, but you have to consider his position. He is working with Wikipedia for a long time now and such posts are not unique, so it can happen that sometimes he just loses patience if someone complains after ignoring a spoiler warning.
But now that this has been resolved and I could point out the reason for why the image was used, maybe we can just go back to improving Wikipedia and not waste more time on such disputes. :-)
As for deleting the discussion, Wikipedia does not have a hierarchy with admins deciding to delete stuff out of their own will, they serve as advanced users who just can do a bit more but really are more like support techs than chiefs. Anyone can and has the right to decide if things should be deleted but if someone else disagrees, a consensus has to reached. In this case, I think we just leave it as it is, as a reminder and for references for other users. For your reading I suggest Wikipedia:Administrators, which explains the Admin-system in Wikipedia quite well. --SoWhy Talk 14:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes

There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Peregrine Fisher and User:Matthew are attempting to vote stack this AfD by telling other users that this AfD will effect unrelated episode articles. This AfD is only about this set of articles, and stands on it's own. AfD is not a vote. Editors coming here to support a different show's set of episode articles should take the time to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man situation individually. -- Ned Scott 18:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Airdates

I've changed the second half of season 10 to reflect the two different initial airdates of those episodes. I'd like to point out that there is precedent for this (such as the above mentioned Battlestar Galactica). Hopefully we can eventually convert the entire page to this or a similar format. Please discuss. --Scorp Stanton 21:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

but BSG was partly funded by Sky, stargate is funded entirely by an american channel... there is no need to list all the airdates of other countries unless you're gonna list all the countries... -Xornok 05:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Exactly my point. It was funded by an American channel, so should the airdates reflect when it was shown on that channel? --Scorp Stanton 06:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Ugh, you're still with your idea. Dear Americans, stop believing everything must relate to America. Sci-Fi didn't want to air the episodes earlier, so their loss- the British got to see the final episodes earlier. It's okay as it is, we don't need an original American airdate, an original British airdate, an original Australian airdate and so on. Original airdate says it all- the first time it was aired, ever. What do you care if it's the first time aired in the US, the UK or elsewhere? In a couple of months it won't matter anymore, at all. byeee 17:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Extras/Special episodes

There aren't a lot of extras for SG-1, so they could easily be added to the list. There's a slight problem with finding out the airdate (and thus where they fit), but I hope it's not so tough. Here goes (in no order):

  • Stargate SG-1: True Science [Jul 14 2006 US / Jan 31 2006 UK - 10x00] also called `Science of Stargate`?
  • Sci-Fi Inside: Stargate SG-1 200th Episode [Aug 18 2006 - 10x05.5] IMDB
  • Behind the Mythology of Stargate SG-1 [Apr 13 2007 - 10x10.5]
  • Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown [Jun 13 2003, before season 7] IMDB
  • Sci-Fi Lowdown: Behind the Stargate: Secrets Revealed [Jan 17 2005], IMDB
  • From Stargate to Atlantis: A Sci-Fi Lowdown [Jul 5 2004, before season 8], IMDB
  • Ten Years of Stargate SG-1
  • Sci-Fi Inside: Sci-Fi Friday [Jul 11 2005, before season 9] IMDB
  • Urban Rush visits cast and crew of SG-1 [before season 10]

I've no idea if the airdates are correct, please help me find them all. Added links to IMDB where available. Unfortunately, IMDB does not list the most recent of the extras. The Futon Critic also lists some of the extras. If you can find anything else, feel free to add. I'm fairly sure the list is complete, but I might have missed something (note: don't be tricked into adding DVD Extras to the list). byeee 15:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

With the new rule abolishing images, I'm not entirely sure. It's a useful link, although it doesn't list all of the extras. And I'm currently trying to find out if The Lowdown (the one before season 7) is or is not a DVD extra, since I've found that somewhere. byeee 05:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
The Lowdown, DVD extra on UK/European SG-1 DVD #31 (last of Season 6), released on September 1 2003. It had aired several months before in the US on the SciFi Channel when Season 7 began airing there. The SciFi ads within The Lowdown were cut from the DVD extra, although the DVD was roughly 15 minutes longer (mostly behind-the-scene scenes with Chris Judge, who marked them as "especially for DVD"). Hope that helps (all from memory and my personal statistical info lists, but it might help tracking down more info). – sgeureka t•c 13:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I only really wanted to know if it was aired. If it was, then I think we should consider it an extra. Having it included on the DVD set is just a bonus. And if it was included only in the european release, more the reason to consider it. I guess that's the complete list there, but I'm still missing a few airdates. Anybody else have any luck?byeee 06:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that Lowdown aired, just like IMDb says, on June 13 2003, immediately before the first ep of S7 aired. (I know because I needed to download it because I don't live in the US, and it was not clear then that it would be released on European DVDs later.) I also remember downloading/watching the other TV specials that you listed above, and I'll get back to you what release dates they had if I find the info. – sgeureka t•c 10:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
My take in bold:
  • Stargate SG-1: True Science [Jul 14 2006 US / Jan 31 2006 UK - 10x00] also called `Science of Stargate`? - US date is about right. I don't know about the UK date, although I know that it aired several months earlier on SkyOne in the UK. I found it listed as "True Science of Stargate" and "The Science of Stargate"
  • Sci-Fi Inside: Stargate SG-1 200th Episode [Aug 18 2006 - 10x05.5] IMDB - true, on US SciFi Channel
  • Behind the Mythology of Stargate SG-1 [Apr 13 2007 - 10x10.5] - true, on US SciFi Channel
  • Stargate SG-1: The Lowdown [Jun 13 2003, before season 7] IMDB - true, on US SciFi Channel, also released on Sept 1 2003 on (UK/European) DVD #31
  • Sci-Fi Lowdown: Behind the Stargate: Secrets Revealed [Jan 17 2005], IMDB - date seems about right, on US SciFi Channel, also released on June 13 2005 on (UK/European) Atlantis DVD #1.4+1.5 and two weeks later on SG-1 DVD #42+43
  • From Stargate to Atlantis: A Sci-Fi Lowdown [Jul 5 2004, before season 8], IMDB - date seems about right, on US SciFi Channel, also released on Feb 2 2005 on (UK/European) DVD #38+39
  • Ten Years of Stargate SG-1 - first download link showed up on Nov 5 2006, likely aired on Canadian SPACE: The Imagination Station (per channel icon)
  • Sci-Fi Inside: Sci-Fi Friday [Jul 11 2005, before season 9] IMDB - date seems about right
  • Urban Rush visits cast and crew of SG-1 [before season 10] - ???
– sgeureka t•c 17:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, finally found some more information on that last one, which is rather obscure, I might say. It was aired on Shaw on a Friday (judging by the bottom bar), possibly called Urban Rush SG-1, one of the producers has something with 'Season 10' written on it but the presenters say Season 9 is currently being filmed. Now, according to ShawTV, it was on Tuesday December 27th, 2005, but SDJ links to MSO which calls it 'Behind the scenes' and where the bottom shows the day of Tuesday.
MSO also tells of other specials.
  • A Japanese AXN Stargate SG-1 special (most likely during season 7)
  • Another SPACE special set during season 9 (and aired Nov 2005) - it's definitely not '10 Years of SG-1'
  • A CTV special for the 200th episode (April 2006)
  • A SpaceCast special for the 200th episode
Curiously, the '200th episode' special by SciFi listed in the previous list doesn't appear, but two new ones appear - I'm still not sure if they are rather short (5 minutes) or truly a 'special' (at least 30 minutes). I'll keep looking for sources though. » byeee 11:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)