Talk:List of Star Trek characters: G-M
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[edit] Merge of Kahless into this article
This idea wasn't suggested by me, but I have no argument against it. --Rockfang 08:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- Kahless is notable enough across the multiple Star Trek series to have his own article. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 08:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- Kahless was notable in-universe, but there needs to be significant real-world notability to stand alone. Ejfetters 08:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- You make this statement according to what policy? --Ye Olde Luke 20:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not -- Descriptions of fictional works. Wikipedia's coverage of works of fiction should provide sourced information to provide commentary on the works' real-world context, such as development, production, distribution, and cultural reception and impact. Both for encyclopedic purposes, and also to qualify as fair use, summary descriptions of plot, characters and settings are appropriate only in the context of real-world information, not when they are the sole content of an article or told entirely from an in-universe perspective. This applies both to stand-alone works and to series. (See also Wikipedia:Television episodes, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), Wikipedia:Notability (fiction), Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines#Plot.) These articles are not notable enough in their current forms to stand alone because they are almost entirely in-universe reiterating plot subjects. Hope this helps Ejfetters 01:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- It does! Thank you. I'll get right on reading that, before coming to a conclusion. --Ye Olde Luke 04:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Also see WP:Plot, WP:WAF, WP:FICT, WP:RS, WP:OR Ejfetters 04:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Throwing an alphabet soup at us that may or may not apply to a particular article is, I believe, an instance of wikilawyering. For example, it doesn't fail WP:RS, as the article cites some sources. Not enough, but some. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Also see WP:Plot, WP:WAF, WP:FICT, WP:RS, WP:OR Ejfetters 04:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - Fails on grounds of real world notability (WP:N and WP:FICT) mattbuck (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Format
The table format looks nice. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 08:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge of John Harriman
Another user requested that I begin a discussion for this particular article aside from the rest of them because there is a lot of information in the article. This information appears to be primarily in-universe - not just in-universe fromt the film Generations, but in-universe from the novels also, - please see What Wikipedia is not Ejfetters 01:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - Fails on grounds of real world notability (WP:N and WP:FICT) mattbuck (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep The amount of information in the article, and the character's prominent position as an Enteprise captain, esp. the one believed for decades to be responsible for the death of James Kirk, merits his own article. Nightscream (talk) 13:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Keep, but tone down the article, too little character information, padded out by information on the works he is featured in. Alastairward (talk) 21:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- Don't merge For a minor character to inspire writers and fans to want to "rehabilitate" his character shows more notability than a plot regurgitation would suggest. Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 16:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge proposed to save articles
The merger proposed are done so to save the articles from ultimate PROD and AFD nominations, that will be inevitable because most, if not all of these articles fail WP:Plot, WP:WAF, WP:FICT, WP:RS, WP:OR - how can one ignore or put aside these "guidelines" put forth in Wikipedia and used in writing fictional subject articles throughout Wikipedia. Ejfetters 00:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Merge of Harry Mudd
While he's only a recurring character, I'd say that he's rather important to TOS. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose merge -- one of the most well-known guests on TOS. Also appears in animated series, comics, and ISTR a planned appearance on TNG before the actor's death made it impossible (or at least unlikely).--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 19:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry to be a broken record, but, again, do you have real-world notability for this character? Without it the article fails most of the guidelines listed above here. If you have it, then, by all means add it to the article and then it should be fine. It needs to be sourced and cited though. Ejfetters 19:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Didn't say it shouldn't be sourced and cited. Just said it shouldn't be merged.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 20:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry to be a broken record, but, again, do you have real-world notability for this character? Without it the article fails most of the guidelines listed above here. If you have it, then, by all means add it to the article and then it should be fine. It needs to be sourced and cited though. Ejfetters 19:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - Fails on grounds of real world notability (WP:N and WP:FICT) mattbuck (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose merge He seems important enoungh to have his own article--Iceglass (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - I've merged him into the article List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: The Original Series Alastairward (talk) 12:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merge of Leslie (Star Trek)
The character of Lieutenant Leslie, through his continued appearance on the show, spawned the name for the stock charater Redshirt, which has been used and parodied on many shows, including Stargate SG-1, South Park, Eureka, and Gears of War, amongst many others. --Ye Olde Luke 03:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- Proof of this? That he was the one that spawned the phrase? I thought it was the continued killing of dispensible Red Shirt (security) characters, and later yellow shirt in TNG and past. Ejfetters (talk) 04:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - Fails on grounds of real world notability (WP:N and WP:FICT) mattbuck (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Check the citation on the page. That fact came from Robert W. Bly's "Why You Should Never Beam Down in a Red Shirt". --Ye Olde Luke 02:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose merge per Ye Olde Luke. The MA article on him is amazing. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Also note that "His Star Trek character, Mr. Leslie, actually appeared in more episodes than Sulu or Chekov." (from Eddie Paskey) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - That's all very well, but redshirts are very much generic. The book in question has 750 questions, and I'm prepared to guess that exactly one mentions Leslie. It wouldn't matter that he recurred more often than Kirk - he is not a notable character. Ask a random person if they recognise Sulu, Chekov or Uhura - there's a fair chance they will. But only true trekkies would ever recognise Leslie, and wikipedia is not a star trek wiki. It doesn't matter that his Memory alpha article is amazing, since this is not Memory alpha. The article is a stub, will never progress beyond a stub, and should be deleted post haste. mattbuck (talk) 09:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- I haven't read the book, and so do not know how many questions Leslie is mentioned in. However, the number of questions he is granted in not the point. The point is whether the book proves that his character is what spawned the redshirt stock character. If you have the book, please post proof that the book does not do this. Until then, the book must be kept as a reliable source. Also, if you read WP:N, you'll see that asking random people off the street is not a way of establishing or disproving notability. Not many people on the street would know who Dicaearchus is either, except for Greek Philosophy buffs. --Ye Olde Luke 23:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - That's all very well, but redshirts are very much generic. The book in question has 750 questions, and I'm prepared to guess that exactly one mentions Leslie. It wouldn't matter that he recurred more often than Kirk - he is not a notable character. Ask a random person if they recognise Sulu, Chekov or Uhura - there's a fair chance they will. But only true trekkies would ever recognise Leslie, and wikipedia is not a star trek wiki. It doesn't matter that his Memory alpha article is amazing, since this is not Memory alpha. The article is a stub, will never progress beyond a stub, and should be deleted post haste. mattbuck (talk) 09:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Also note that "His Star Trek character, Mr. Leslie, actually appeared in more episodes than Sulu or Chekov." (from Eddie Paskey) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Merge article not neeed. RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)