Talk:List of Sorbs
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Hi, I doubt that this list is correct. I'am german and never heard that these men were Sorbs. Do you have any reliable sources? 80.128.92.237 18:28, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I have deleted the entries and added two writers, so the list is not completely empty. Soky 00:00, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)(80.128.92.237 before)
- The Ernest Mason Satow article doesn't mention any Sorbian roots, let alone Sorbian identity of either Satow or his father. It says his father was born in Wismar.—Wikipeditor 07:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
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- It says his father was an ethnic German explicitly. Either this page is wrong, or that one needs a little addition. Adam Mathias 03:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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The source of his Sorbian heritage is his biography published in Japan. According to this book, the surname Satow is Sorbian, so it is so unusual among Germans. The suffix -ow is obviously Slavic. --1523 07:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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- -ow is obviously Slavic, but we can't just go off last names. That's kinda like saying that George Bush is an Englishman, the former president of Poland, Miller, is a German, or that Johannes Popitz was a Pole, or that Albert Einstein was a German. There's a ton of Prussians with Polish, Czech, and presumably Sorbian names (and of course the opposite is also true). I think that the list at the bottom should be divided into "Sorbs" and "Sorb names but not culturally Sorb", especially if we lengthen it. If not then we should at least include a note by those listed who are not very Sorbian and who do/did not see themselves as Sorbs. What do you think? Adam Mathias 16:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. I doubt for example that Leibniz had anything to do with sorbian cultur. By the way, the nation of Germans themselves haves large slavic roots and not only Germanic ones. Even the Nazis did not deny it. And also many of the slavic nations have many Germanic ancestors (Pols, Czechs and so on) - I am very sure that Sorbs are ethnicaly more related to the Germans in East Germany than to the Slovaks (like it is said in the article Sorbs). The real difference is the culture and tradition. And Leibniz was definitly much more part of the "German" culture. The ethnic seperation doesn't work very well in that part of Europe because they all mixed over Generations. Einstein for example may have not many German ancestors (but this is not sure, because even the Jews mixed often with the locals (which is shown in genetical examinations) but he was in the same way part of the German cultur. It makes no sense to add "of Sorbian origin" in articles of Leibnitz or Michael Ballack only because the name have some Sorbian roots. By the way Slavic roots does not mean Sorbian roots, because in today East Germany lieved many Slavic tribes many of them are now part of the ethnic German after assimilation 1000 years ago and are maybe in no way related to the Sorbs of today. --Knarf-bz 14:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- -ow is obviously Slavic, but we can't just go off last names. That's kinda like saying that George Bush is an Englishman, the former president of Poland, Miller, is a German, or that Johannes Popitz was a Pole, or that Albert Einstein was a German. There's a ton of Prussians with Polish, Czech, and presumably Sorbian names (and of course the opposite is also true). I think that the list at the bottom should be divided into "Sorbs" and "Sorb names but not culturally Sorb", especially if we lengthen it. If not then we should at least include a note by those listed who are not very Sorbian and who do/did not see themselves as Sorbs. What do you think? Adam Mathias 16:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Georg Sauerwein
As far as a I know Georg Sauewein is not a Sorb. (It is not mentioned in his Wikipedia-Article and I think the Masalskis-biographie specially denies this myth.)
