Talk:List of Smallville episodes

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[edit] Kryptonsite screenshots

I'm thinking we should replace the Kryptonsite screenshots with caps that don't have an advertisement. The painful thing is that the best way to replace screencaps is to remove them, and then let someone replace them. - Peregrine Fisher 07:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, they've given permission to use them, but if you can find a replacement that looks the same without the watermark that's cool. I could probably go through the seasons on my computer (when I go back home Monday) and recapture each of the images and just upload them as newer versions. What do you think abou that?  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  15:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
That would be good. Another way is to remove them, and let people replace them when they see an empty slot, if you're feeling lazy (like i am). - Peregrine Fisher 14:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been busy with school and work, but this is my spring break. If you want to go ahead and remove them you can. I'll try and get on recapturing them all before the end of the week.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  14:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. - Peregrine Fisher 14:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Size

We need to do something about the size of this article. It's 71kb, which creates quite a bit of lag. I think we should look to some other "Lists of episodes" pages for a format that will help trim the size down. The Simpsons have 18 seasons and are at 63kb (not to mention a Featured List). We could move Smallville's DVD information over here, and follow the Simpsons' format for the listing of the episodes.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  13:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Copying the Simpsons format is acceptable. List of South Park episodes is also a featured list, and it didn't go the condensing route, though. - Peregrine Fisher 14:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
It probably should be condensed. I'm basing it on the fact that I get some lag on my state computer, and their internet and processors are better than my personal computer (which isn't slow itself). I'm working on a simpson-esque format in a sandbox, but I think I'm going to try and add a couple columns to the tables, because I think we can get away with a bit more information than they can. I think it's the images and the paragraph plots that are bogging it down. You provided a South Park link and they have the same size as us, but far more seasons than we do. Also, I think if we follow The Simpsons, we can also solve that other problem we had about a list page and a season page coexisting, because The Simpsons lists all the eps in their basic form which is just a pure list of data (title, number date), and provides links to both season pages and episode pages which give more detail in each succession.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  14:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. - Peregrine Fisher 14:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you know where to get the Prod. Code for Smallville? I'm sure I could eventually find out, but if you or someone else knows off hand that would save a lot of time.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  14:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok I finished the new format. The colors can change is people want them to, I was trying to match them to the DVD boxset colors for each season. User:Bignole/List of Smallville  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  21:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Need some feedback on it, so that I now how to tweak it. The page is rather large for a show that only has 6 seasons under its belt.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
User:Bignole/List of Smallville looks pretty good, but it doesn't fit on my screen width-wise. I think we should leave out writer/director since they'll be one click away. The colors are pretty good, except the top bar is a bit too dark, at least on my old monitor. If it looks good on yours, I guess keep it. List of Third Watch episodes and List of The Simpsons episodes do it pretty well, I think, so you might look at those. I don't suppose you've changed your mind about individual episode pages? Anyways, I say go for it. - Peregrine Fisher 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll add it in, and then, just like "copyediting" others can tweak the colors. As I said, I was going for the color (on the main bar) of the DVDs. As for wide, I have it wider just for spacing, i can tweak that. The only reason I'd like to keep the Writer/Director is because it's more "technical" data that a plot would be. I'll try and shrink them, and if it's not thin enough you can adjust it after I move them. The adjusting is at the top of each table (width=1000px), which I'm going to put down to 950px and you tell me how it is. As for the individual episode pages. If you can get them to look like this article or this article, then I have no problem with it. I think we can link to the episodes in the season pages, and if we find enough information on a particular article to warrant a new page, that's great. But there is no behind the scenes information on any of those ep pages that exist currently. It's probably something you'd have to by those Smallville Season Companions" to find, but I'm sure that 70-75% of them will never have enough information citable information.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone had spent excessive time making a summary of each individual episode of Smallville. There is no summary anywhere that is as inclusive as the ones I had read (I hadn't read all of them, regrettably) . They were quite descriptive and added interesting information. Now they appear to be gone and have not been replaced with anything at all. Even if there are format and content issues (after all perfection is a never ending quest...) shouldn't there be an improvement to replace what has been removed prior to removal? Is there any way that the removed or non-linked information can be accessed? NoRoomForEmotion 23:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Try the links to each season, the precede each of the seasons on this page. For instance, Smallville (season 1) contains the plot information for season 1. You can click each successive season in the infobox of those pages, or go to the bottom of the page and click them in the box there.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael and Mike Rohl

I was just wondering if the directors of Fanatic(episode 516) - Mike Rohl and of Arrow(episode 604)- Michael Rohl, are the two different people or if the name Michael has been shortened to Mike? eZio 07:16, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Nope, same people. I'll change it to "Michael".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smallville and season pages

Frankly they look *disgusting*, they're in violation of Wikipedia's Manual of Style and also add limitations to the amount of information that could be contained. I intend (as season one is already done) to begin creating individual pages soon. Addendum: Where have the gorram screen captures gone? Matthew 20:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you start working on the Season pages. Your gross disregard for working with others is beginning to bother me. Look at the MOS for television articles. Individual episode pages are the last step, and that is after they have been broken into season pages. Individual episode pages that contain nothing but unsources trivia do not meet wikipedia's requirements for creating an article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I assume you mean "unsourced trivia"? I'll put your message down to blissful ignorance, because if you knew me you would know I'm quite the trivia eradicator. You shouldn't speak of what you do not know. Peace out, Matthew 21:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
I know that you are upset that I changed the format of the page. You had a time to voice your opinion of that, as I came here months ago with this. It's now a featured list, and no one but you expressed this type of opinion about the page, or that it violates any MOS. It doesn't add limitations to the article, it limits excessive size. The article was twice the size it is now, for a show that had a 1/3 of the seasons that The Simpsons have, or half of the ones that South Park has. It's now divided up into a list of the episodes, coupled with just date-esque information, and is then broken down by seasons. If you can provide information for individual episode articles that look like Pilot (House) or Aquaman (TV program), then that's fine. But episode articles that are nothing but plots and trivia do not meet article requirements. If you are such a "trivia eradicator", then why do all those articles still have such information? Try sprucing up what's there before you go running out and creating 100 episode articles.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:29, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
More ignorance (tsk), I actually like the layout - very much, thanks. Also, those articles are in bad shape as nobody has bothered to fix them up - perhaps I'll do it when I feel the desire. I'll happily put this list up for review though if you insert user submitted sources again. Matthew 21:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airdates

What's the source for all the episode air dates contained here? So that it can be added to the article. Matthew 15:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You only removed the one, so this can replace it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, that's a good citation for the lead. But what about the other episodes? This looks like it could source the other episodes. Matthew 15:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't read it (I'm at work), but if you believe it would be a good source for the other episodes, please add it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


The article notes Fracture as having aired first in Canada, however the entire season seven has been airing in Canada a day before the American broadcast. Why is only Fracture mentioned?? 1808Productions (talk) 01:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Because we only had verification for that one episode, which made us assume that it was a special occurrence and those worth separating out. If you have verification of the entire season, then I say we revert back to the original US airdates for all (give that it is an American show) and use a source that verifies that it has aired on Wednesdays in Canada to note that in prose at the top of the Season 7 section.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Season 7 Titles

Why aren't you putting the episode titles that have been revealed by KryptonSite??? Who care if they may be wrong! And if they are, you can just change it when we find out the real titles. There is no point in fussing so much. And what's going to happen if you write down a title that probably isn't going to be wrong? It's really not the end of the world. (Wikirocks2 02:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

P.S. I'm not trying to be rude or bossy or seem retarded or anything, I'm just expressing my opinion.

Per the policy on verifiability and the guideline on reliable sources, we do not add information that cannot be cited reliably. Kryptonsite is not considered a reliable source in this matter. Currently, the only reliable source we have that updates all the episode titles and airdates is TV Guide, and they don't post anything until they get the official write-ups from the networks themselves.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Related to Season 7, is there a reason it hasn't been added to the Seasons table?JeffHCross 00:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
What table? The DVD table? There isn't enough information to report.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is KryptonSite not considered a valid source? I would certainly consider it to have a "reputation for accuracy" as specified by WP:SOURCES. I cannot recall a time when it has been wrong about episode titles. Kidburla (talk) 00:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
It's a fansite, that gets a lot of its information from scoopers. Though the information is generally accurate, there is no way to actually verify the information as authentic (hence why places like MSN and TV Guide wait until the CW officially releases the titles). Things can change when you get information based on "scoops".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Column Patterns

All seasons show Director and Writers in this order, while 7th season shows it reverse (Writers and Director). I think should be a good idea to switch, to avoid confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.254.5 (talk) 18:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Done.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I think Allison Mack hasn't been switched in the columns. 24.86.193.35 18:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I forgot to scroll down and swap her over.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Individual episode articles

Since there is only one episode article: the pilot, I think we should make a few more, mainly premieres and finales. I am sure there is enough real-world info out there to make them. If anyone agrees, please reply, and if you don't, please reply. Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 11:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't, because I've looked. The only real world information for them isn't enough to justify individual articles (that's why the first season article was written the way it was). Few Smallville episodes are every reviewed by professional reviewers, and when some are it is usually only by a single (sometimes two) entity, where there isn't enough information to justify a split from the season article. You have to remember, this isn't the parent article for indidvidual episodes, the season articles are.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Also, to justify a split from them, you'd have to have significant coverage from sources independent from the subject, and I already know (because I own them) that the only real world information you're going to find is going to come from the companion books that the network commissions (which makes them non-independent). Once in awhile, the show itself will appear in a trade magazine, where a single episode might be recognized for something particular, but again, there is usually never enough there to justify splitting that episode article off.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh. I was so hopeful in creating a few articles, and that just crushed my hopes. Well I guess there's no space in Wikipedia for the average editor. :-( Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 11:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
If you can find reviews for "Tempest" (season 1 finale), that would be great. I've searched my little heart out, and purposefully didn't put the production info for that episode in the season 1 article because I wanted to spin it out on its own. The way its looking, I'll have to put it in, unless someone else can find reviews for the finale. You have to remember that Smallville is on an obscure network (for the WB and now the CW) and they are not equivalent to the media hounds of CBS, NBC and ABC, whose shows get coverage from all over the place. If Smallville averaged 10 million viewers, like some shows, I wouldn't doubt there would be media coverage outside of the source, but it only averages 4-5 million. That might be great for the CW, but comparing to other primetime shows, it sucks. That's why only very select episodes ever stand out on their own with reviewers, and most of the time reviewers choose to review an entire season after the DVD comes out (hence another reason why I developed the season articles are they currently are).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. Yeah I see. I'll do my best to try and find reviews, but since an editor like you couldn't, then the chances of me finding any is next to zero. All the best - Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 11:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I found some random sites, but they're not great:
I have that Futon Critic bit in the season article. BuddyTV reviews typically don't have much to say. I might be able to add that Jonathan Boudreaux to the season article, since we have stuff about the pilot, it would be good to have something on "Tempest" to tie up that more nicely. The Mania one looks good, but we'd need a bit more than just two (if you include the Boudreaux in a separate article). We can't have two reviews, both talking about how great this episode is. It would lack neutrality.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, here are is another positive one:
Sorry, but I couldn't find any negative ones. I'll try later, but I've seen thousands of episodes where they have no negative reviews, or any for that matter. We can't expect to have neutrality if there are no available negative ones. Oh and one thing, could you be able to make the episode in your sandbox? Thanks - Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 06:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a blank sandbox, so I could recreate the episode in there. As for the DVDVerdict, there's nothing there to write about Tempest with. We can't say, "DVD Verdict gave 'Tempest' a grade of A." It means nothing without context. There was one good thing about that page though, it's got a comparison between Buffy and Smallville, which would be good for the main page. Anyway, I'll recreate the "Tempest" episode in my sandbox when I get back from work today (which won't be for about 9 hours), and we'll weed out any decent reviews for the ep.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, all I had to do was revert my last edit, because I never deleted it from the sandbox completely.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, it looks good so far. You mentioned you had production info? Could you put that in? I would add some of the reviews, but I take it that you want to do it. Well good luck! [Not that you need it] Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 11:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
No no, lol, I put it here because you showed an interest in building it up (hence the "we'll weed out any decent reviews" comment). This will be a joint effort. I have to leave for work now (already late), but I'll try and go through the book I have for "Tempest". Unfortunately, there isn't any episode commentary on the DVD (which sucks), so as of right now all the production info is going to come from a single source, which isn't great, but it isn't the end of the world either. You work on finding reviews and we can discuss whether some aren't worth mentioning on the sandbox's talk page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
OK. Sounds good. I'll try to find as many different random reviews as I can, though it is pretty hard. Have fun at work! :P Corn.u.co.pia Discussion 12:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)