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[edit] Status

Whether or not the character is dead, alive or unknown should be stated for each and every single one of them. It should be stated just below the part which states the actor's name.

Here, I'll show you a sample of something it could look like:

Morgan

Morgan was portrayed by Janet Land.

Status: Alive

Morgan appears in Saw IV as the wife of a suspected physical abuser. Despite evidence, the police are unable to act upon her husband because both she and her daughter refuse to testify against him. Morgan is later put into a test with her husband involving numerous rods pierced through them, forced to free herself by killing him. She does so by removing all but one rod, but is found unconscious by Rigg, who then supplies her with a key to free herself before pulling a fire alarm and leaving. When found by Strahm and Perez and their crew, Morgan stated that Rigg saved her.

Lindsey Perez

Lindsey Perez was portrayed by Athena Karkanis.

Status: Unknown

Perez is from the FBI along with Peter Strahm. She along with Strahm, follow Rigg in his city-wide pursuit. At one of the crime scenes, Perez finds a tape recorder with a tape inside laying next to a Billy doll, as some sort of test for her. It tells her that her next step is crucial before the puppet's face explodes, sending shards into her face and neck. She is rushed to the hospital, but it is unknown if she survived. Had she figured that the two folders she and Strahm found previously (minus the two Jigsaw victims Strahm figured should be there) were referring to them she would have heeded the warning "you're in danger, take a step back" and avoided hospitalisation when confronted with the exploding Billy puppet.

Rex

Rex was portrayed by Ron Lea.

Status: Deceased

Rex was the abusive husband of Morgan, who was also suspected of hitting his daughter. However, since neither Morgan nor her daughter testified against him, he was never sentenced. Rigg ended up punching Rex after talking to his daughter about her bruises, but escaped a lawsuit due to Art Blanc. Rex was later put into a test with his wife, in which he was doomed to die if Morgan tried to free herself. Rex bled to death as Morgan proceeded to try to escape.

It's what fans would be interested to quickly see as they scroll down, obviously. Yeldarb68 08:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

So apparently there is an unintelligent elitist on here that thinks he runs this place, when really this place is wikipedia and isn't run by any specific individual, contrary to this warped individual's way of thinking.

You know who you are. Why delete what was placed, and then move this category all the way to the bottom, AND THEN provide absolutely no reponse to the topic? Do you have no response? Or do you have difficulties expressing yourself in the written form? It's okay if you are not very articulate. Give it a go. If you are so confident to act as if in charge of... a wikipedia thing .. surely you can gather the courage to explain yourself in trying to be the dictator of SAW on wikipedia, eh? Yeldarb68 11:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catagorical

Shouldn't this be in catagories, like Recurring characters, Saw 1 characters, Saw 2 Characters, Saw III Characters... 211.30.215.168 08:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. I suppose it makes it more organized. JackOfHearts 13:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Lynn Denlon, Adam Faulkner, Lawrence Gordon (Saw), Detective Eric Matthews, Jeff Reinhart

Please merge any relevant content from:

per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lynn Denlon. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-17 21:13Z

[edit] Missing people

Should we include the dead cellmate from Amanda's trap? Apparently, he was portrayed by Oren Koules, but was never named... According to IMDb, there was also another detective, but who? Was Brett the detective from Amanda's interrogation? If so, shouldn't he be listed under "Detective" Brett like the other Detectives? Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 01:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

No because Brett was Gordon's lawyer in the movie. The character even stated this himself. If there was another detective it's mostlikely the guy who sits Amanda down next to Tapp.

That black guy had a visitor's badge on. He put his arm wound Amanda like he knew her personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeldarb68 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More Pictures

I made pictures of almost all Saw-Characters, i don't know how to upload them on here, but someone else can do it if he/she has the ability (http://www.bilder-speicher.de/member_album.php?intID=5534)

I could, but I can't even get into your sight to view the pics. It requires a login and stuff. Jack Of Hearts | Miss A Turn 04:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changing

Coudn't the list be categorized like:

Main character
- Saw
- Saw II
- Saw III
Major character
- Saw
- Saw II
- Saw III
Minor character
- Saw
- Saw II
- Saw III

It's only a thought. --Rutherfordjigsaw 20:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Troy

It is interesting to note that Troy had a jigsaw piece cut out of him, which could either be a continuity error in the movie, or maybe the door wasn't welded shut until the end of the game. Maybe we will never know.

Watch it again. John says he cuts out a piece, the piece they are missing - survival. 67.142.130.14 23:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we know he does it but what he's saying is Troy had a piece carved out of him when there was no way for anyone to get in. (Of course, since Amanda might have done it beforehand since she knew Troy had no chance of survival)--CyberGhostface (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Costas Mandylor

I see on here that there is a reference that his character Forensic Hoffman is "the one that will continue jigsaw's work" where is the citation for this statement? Was it in a trailer? publication?Jjkayes 17:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, watch the movie and you'll see. 67.142.130.14 23:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The movie never says that Hoffman will be the one to carry on John's work. Quite the opposite actually. SAW IV revealed that although Hoffman was in on it - he himself is still going to have to be tested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeldarb68 (talk • contribs) 07:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

As so did Amanda (being tested, 3 times actually [if you count Saw2]). I believe Hoffman was in on it for a while. John knew too much about people, and he needed someone's help to find these people and information (a cop). I believe it will be him that carries it on. Who else are their? We'll just see in 5. It's too early to be calling names. 72.171.0.146 21:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Returning Character's Saw 4 Updates

Most Characters that WERE presumed to appear in Saw 4, DID NOT or DID appear in the Film....most "Did Not" like Obi for example. Someone who has seen the movie several times or has a OFFICIAL FINAL CASTING of the Film please update the Character's page correctly correcting the assumptions that each character that were going to be in Saw 4 are deleted or etc. --^҉ რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ _ॐ 19:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Tapp's fate

There's nothing to suggest he survived. Saying "Its unknown if he survived or not." is just speculation. Its not comparable to Gordon, whose fate was deliberately left up in the air.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Though his death is implied, it is never seen. Saw 4 was originally scripted to say that his sacrifices will never be forgotten, but it was taken out. Why? For the possibility that his character may return. The Saw series is known for huge plot twists, and showing that he somehow survived is not too far out of stretch.

Besides, do you think Jigsaw would see Tapp on the floor and do nothing? He doesn'tdo that. Chances are better than not he would use Tapp in a trap in the future. It is not above him as he uses ANYBODY, even people who have won the game, like Eric Matthews.

Erm...Eric LOST his game...and as below said it's speculation. Agent452 (talk) 02:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Saying something like "it's possible his character might return" or whatever is speculation, and speculation is not encyclopedic, I'm afraid. ≈ The Haunted Angel 02:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Right. As it is, I think we should only say "Their fate is unknown" with characters who are last seen in an ambigious state. (Gordon being the definitive example, of course.) In Tapp's case, he was shot and we saw him gasp and fall to the ground. Was his death definite in the same way as Eric Matthews where there's no room for doubt? No. But there's nothing to indicate he survived either.--CyberGhostface (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Bilbotx (or whatever your name is), I don't appreciate you removing my original post here. Editing discussions like this against the rules.--CyberGhostface (talk) 03:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Eric had two games. The first he failed in staying to talk with Jigsaw. Eric won his last game in escaping the chain from the bathroom as Jigsaw himself stated in Saw 3. He was finished, yet he was used again as part of a trap in Saw 4.

If there is no confirmation that he is dead, then his current status is "unknown", regardless of what condition he was last seen in. Like I stated before, Jigsaw would most likely attempt to do something to save him to put him in a future trap.

I apologize for the removal or yourlast post. It is was completely unitentional and an error on my part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.162.178 (talk) 15:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding then. But saying his fate is unknown is still speculation, especially since the creators have confirmed on the commentary that he's dead.--CyberGhostface (talk) 15:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

While they may say he was confirmed dead, it is not beyond them to bring him back. In the canon story, his fate has never been determined. And the writers have thrown off fans of the series before, such as the lie that Donnie Walberg would not return for Saw 3. He did, and it's very possible Danny Glover could as well. A death needs to be confirmed in the canon story or it cannot be considered confirmed.

Why else do you think they would take out the tribute to Tapp and Sing in Saw 4? The only logical explanation is that they would at least want to consider bringing him back in the future. If his death was confirmed, there would be no reason to take out that scene in the script. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.247.247 (talk) 22:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What you're doing right now is speculation. He's dead. He hasn't come back in three sequels. The only one seeing the "logical explanation" is you. A number of stuff was cut out from the script from Saw IV. It could have very well been for time.--CyberGhostface (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia's policy on synthesis of published material serving to advance a position.--CyberGhostface (talk) 22:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

What is speculation is to state that his death is confirmed. He is never shown dead. Notice I stress it is "implied" he died. Is it unreasonable to write that his death is techincally never shown, though it is implied? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.247.247 (talk) 23:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no speculation in saying his death is confirmed because everyone involved in the film have all said that he died! There's nothing concrete to suggest he survived. The only thing I would agree with is adding "presumably" but even that I think the other editors would disagree with, because in the end the doubt that he did die is original research and hasn't been speculated by anyone besides you.--CyberGhostface (talk) 01:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

This hasn't had any replies in months, but I want to add my views. Basically, we see him fall back and act like your stereotypical dead shot guy in the movie. His death was never seen specifically, but so strongly implied that that plus the removed banner seems to indicate that he is dead. His fate may have unintentionally been left somewhat debatable, but it isn't the same as Lawrence Gordon, who's fate will, according to DLB, never be revealed. Also, I never recall hearing Tapp be called dead in the movie. But then there is the fact that if he were dead, his eyes would have been open. But then there is the fact that they messed up with Jigsaw, too. So I conclude that it is best that he be stated as something along the lines of "Most Likely Dead" or preferably "Presumably Dead." SkepticBanner (talk) 02:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Unnamed woman

Why does she have her own entry? Her only purpose in the film is to show another Jigsaw trap -- she doesn't have any lines and her death had no practical purpose to the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tam001 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

All of Jigsaw's victim's should be noteworthy. Mark and Paul hardly said anything either, and their only purpose was to show Jigsaw traps too. But they are still worth keeping. Yeldarb68 (talk) 11:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Brit"

Julie Benz's character name is not "Brit". What sources have said is that her character will be "a Brit". That is, her character will be British. IMDb misinterpreted these sources. It was not stated that her character was named "Brit", but simply that her character is British.

Yeldarb68 (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Ashley"

The only source so far about this character being in Saw V is IMDb. I do not think that is a reliable source. I suggest that she should be taken off the list of characters until a more reliable source confirms that she is in it. But I'll leave this up to discussion. What does anybody else think on this?