Talk:List of Rroma people

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Why are these people on the Talk page and not in the article? Are you still trying to decide if they are Roma? Or are they all mixed people and don't count? If so, why not add a section to the article for People of Roma heritage? The list is for "People of Roma heritage",mixed people.The list above it is "List of Roma People", there is a difference.

David Blaine http://www.hollywood.com/celebs/fulldetail/id/1118607

Fairuza Balk http://www.wirehouse.com/bio.asp?t=a&SiteID=FairuzaBalk

(Eugene Hutz) Gogol Bordello http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/arts/004703.html

Michelle Branch http://www.mtv.com/bands/b/branch_michelle/news_feature_100601/index.jhtml

Sylvia Browne (I met her and she IS Roma) http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=40&threadid=13776&messid=82235&STARTPAGE=1&parentid=0&from=1

Raymond Buckland http://www.raybuckland.com/

John Bunyan http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/roma/gft/gft138.htm

Yul Brynner http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9017835?tocId=9017835

Eric Cantona- I dont know, I did'nt add him http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm

Michael Caine http://www.pirkadat.org/gypsy_spirit2004

Charlie Chaplin http://www.pirkadat.org/gypsy_spirit2004

Nikita Denise http://www.nikita-denise.org/

Louise Doughty http://www.writersfest.bc.ca/2004festival/author.php?author=21

George Bramwell Evens http://www.kimia-sains.com/articles/Romany

Ava Gardner I dont know she was on the list from before I began coming here

Tony Gatlif http://www.talkingpix.co.uk/ReviewsSwing.html

Edyta Gorniak http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm

Cary Grant-Someone else added him

Johnny Frankham-http://www.travellersinleeds.co.uk/_travellers/boxing.html

Rita Hayworth http://www.kipaddotta.com/rita-hayworth.html

Bob Hoskins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoskins

August Krogh http://www.bookrags.com/biography-august-krogh-wap/

Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm

Albert Lee http://www.fmsound.net/NewReleases/Articles/Albert%20Lee/Albert%20Lee.html

Andy McCoy http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=181345

Victor Mature- I did'nt add him

Helen Mirren http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Helen_Mirren

Denny Laine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denny_Laine http://www.answers.com/topic/denny-laine

Ibolya Oláh-Did'nt add

Pablo Picasso-http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-229005

Freddy Prinze http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29504 http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Du-Ha/Gypsy-Americans.html http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/1902806190

Sandro http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm

George Soros-Did'nt add, Hungarian, gives to Gypsy charities, will look further

Mother Teresa http://www.geocities.com/~patrin/timeofthegypsies.htm http://www.webprincess.com/facab/apr98.htm

Rodrigo de Triana http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Spain/Andalucia/Sevilla-253763/Things_To_Do-Sevilla-Triana_District-R-1.html-

Joe Zawinul-Did'nt add

Dejan Savićević-Did'nt add

Aljoša Asanović-Did'nt add

Johnny Frankham http://www.travellersinleeds.co.uk/_travellers/boxing.html

Helen Mirren http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Helen_Mirren http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/biographies/helen_mirren_biog.html

August Krogh http://www.bookrags.com/biography-august-krogh-wap/

John Bunyan http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/roma/gft/gft138.htm

Augustine Bearse http://www.murrah.com/gen/bearse.htm

Slyvia Browne http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=40&threadid=13776&messid=82235&STARTPAGE=1&parentid=0&from=1

[edit] Margita Bangova's article addition

After I removed this article from this list, because she is not a famous Romani person, Psychonaut readded it without giving a proper explanation. Namely, how is she and her bigraphy significant for this page? Among the Romani people she is just a common person that certainly does not deserve a wiki article, (in fact currently is developing a request for deletion where I contend that it is just an anti-Romani propaganda, selecting negative things about Roma, the same as The Eternal Jew was in other times). Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 08:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This article lists Roma people with Wikipedia articles. Bangová is Roma. Therefore Bangová is listed here. Please confine the debate on her notability to one place at a time (currently, the AfD). —Psychonaut 11:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

And what is your authority to decide that this list comprise any unheard Romani person? Just because you want it? This is active "Gypsy" image creation. Wait for a debate, a consensus, don't put unilateraly what you imagine (especially when you consider yourself as an expert in wiki editing). The list is long time established to comprise only representative Romani persons. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Bangová was in this list for years until you removed her entry two days ago. If anyone should be waiting for a debate or consensus before changing the article, I think it's you. Unless or until Bangová's article is deleted, there is no policy-supported reason for her not to be in this list. —Psychonaut 15:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Who's me to be judged as a standard of time? I just did not notice it, until I organized the Category:Romani people into more focused subcats. You failed to answer how Bangova is representative for the Romani people, why should her name be in this list. The only conclusion is that this is anti-Romani propaganda, active enforcement of stereotypes. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 17:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not a list of individuals representative of the Romani people. If you wish, you may start an article on that topic, though I don't see how it will avoid POV issues. And please stop insisting that editors answer irrelevant questions. Keep your objections grounded in policy. —Psychonaut 12:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Romani_musicians will add later

[edit] Move?!

Wait a minute, this does not look fair at all. No one supported Burgas00's initiative to move this page from "List of famous Roma, Sinti and Mixed People" to "List of famous Roma and Sinti." What right did he have to move the page?

There are many famous people who have some Romani heritage but also have other heritage. That is, there are celebrities with Romani heritage who do not consider themselves Romani (or are otherwise not to be identified as simply Romani). We Are the Romani People by the Romani scholar Prof. Ian Hancock is one source for this (you may find one example from the book on Talk:Ian Hancock in which Prof. Hancock explains how former President Bill Clinton is part Romani). --Kuaichik 04:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I moved this because "mixed people" is not an ethnicity. The Roma are an ethnic group (or a collection of ethnic groups) with a common ancestry (from Northwestern India), culture, identity and language/languages. It does not cover random celebrities who claim or of whom it is claimed their great grandmother was "a gypsy". It does not cover new age hippies and pop stars nor "Irish travellers".

By the way, if a particular individual is white, he is most likely NOT Roma. Roma are generally Indian-looking.--Burgas00 17:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Kiss-me-my-hedgehog, guy, I'm Romny and I'm naturally blonde, and I know tons of Roma who has "euro" face. We left India 1000 years ago, we couldn't stay the same during our long journey. I can show you my pic, and pix of other Roma too. RomanyChaj —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Generally those Rom who are "nordic"-looking or "white" are so mixed they have little Roma ancestry. I understand this is the case of the Romnichal of the British Isles and "Sintis" of other countries in northern europe. For all I know, I may have more Romani ancestry than they do! In any case they constitute a tiny minority of Europe's Gypsy population.

The Rom of Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Turkey etc.. (i.e. the vast majority) are predominantly Indian looking. There are exceptions, but then again there are blonde people in Pakistan aswell. --Burgas00 23:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're not Rom, let Roma decide who's Rom enough and who's not, OK? -- RomanyChaj

Thats difficult since a large % of Roma do not even consider themselves Roma, particularly in the Balkan region. Some use alternative labels such as "Egyptian", or simply the ethnic label of their nationality or language. This explains the low levels of ethnic Roma in certain national census. And it seems that certain websites used as sources on this article attribute Roma ethnicity to people who have no connection whatsoever with this ethnic group, such as Pablo Picasso.

When you invite me to kiss your hedgehog am I correct to assume that you are referring to your genitalia? --Burgas00 16:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Not kiss my hedgehog, but kiss me [you] my hedgehog, that's a phrase from an anecdote, originally soends as "f**k me my hedgehog" RomanyChaj

[edit] Those people *** my mind

Let us stop that war They don't want to know all the truth, they want to see only painted gypsies - ok, i'm tired of it. RomanyChaj —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 14:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

We are not the only ones to have problems with Burgas00, you people will never get the whole idea, that is why with all your university studies and Wikipedia Romani sites, None of the you will EVER get a full grasp of the language and culture. By the way, Django Reinahrdt was a SINTI not Romani, so your stupid classifications in which you reverted the most logical version have failed again.Go ahead make the list, you people seem to know more about us than we do!

and I dont know why this page needed to be changed, The only one who had a problem with it was Burgas00, and he seems to piss people off on various articles by reverting (vandalizing), whole articles. So $%%^ this list,*&^% Burgas00, and #%^* I hope you people chase your tails forever, because you will never know the language and our people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.58.8.14 (talk) 21:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

sign it for me please, im sorry i forgot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.207.222.130 (talk) 18:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] list fixed

the list problem I fixed. Now there can be no questions asked. This list is also ideal because you get the basic list in the index part as well as not a run on list in the page itself, and there is no controvery over the lawyering of "list" tags. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RYNORT (talk • contribs) 17:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)