Talk:List of Roman Catholic Church musicians

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[edit] Addition of various popular Catholic artists and bands

I have added the following Catholic artists to this page with external links:

Oaks of Justice - Catholic/Christian fusion rock (California) Seven Sorrows - Catholic hard rock/heavy metal (California) Remnant - Catholic hard rock (Texas) Pierced - Catholic hard rock (Louisianna) Fred-D - Catholic "underground" rap (California) Point 5 Covenant - Catholic hip-hop (Texas) Cheer Up Charlie - Catholic industrial rock/rap (Florida) Manuel3 - Catholic soul/funk (Iowa) Righteous-B - Catholic hip-hop (Texas) Ryan Meyers - Catholic folk/pop rock (Mississippi) Crispin - Catholic/Christian latin funk (Texas).

There are no existing articles on wikipedia.org for these artists, but I hope to change that in the future. These bands are clearly major influences of Catholic music in their specific regions. Their music can currently be found at their own websites and on Catholic online radio stations, each has performed extensively for no less than 2 years at major Catholic events (Conferences, Festivals, etc), and they have further performed with a number of currently listed artists.

I have included a link to each band's website, not for promotional purposes, but for purposes of reference (which is what hyperlinks were originally intended to be). I am friends with a good number of these musicians as I am a Catholic musican and evangelist myself. I am otherwise not directly affiliated with these groups, nor will I personally benefit from these links.

Given that this page previous listed a limited number of artists who have signficantly contributed to the growth of contemporary Catholic rock and rap music, I recommend these additions remain with external links. I furthermore recommend this community begin generating internal links for each of these groups.

-Abercius24 17:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

My two cents:

First, I'm glad you are giving a rationale as to why you believe these bands are important. Wikipedia articles are for things that are "encyclopedic", which isn't a precisely defined notion, but it implies some level of importance. I certainly don't object to your edits, but then I tend to lean a bit towards Inclusionism. I suspect that a Wikipedia editor who leans towards Deletionism would consider articles on each of these bands to be excessive.

Second, until and unless these bands have actual Wikipedia articles, I think it would be better for their websites to be immediately after their names (as you had in an earlier version) rather than as external links at the bottom. The external link section is for links related to the page as a whole, while each of these links only relates to a specific band, so they should appear right after the band's name.

Finally, a tip to save you time. When you sign your name on a Talk page, just type four tildes. I usually use a dash, a space, and four tildes: - ~~~~ because the dash adds a bit of spacing. The four tildes will automatically turn into your user name, the date, and the time. - Lawrence King 09:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your inclusionist approach and your advice. I am glad my explanation was satisfactory to you.

Apart from this discussion, user Demiurge shared concern about including external links due to the possiblity of inappropriate advertising. I believe moving the links to an External Links heading at the end was a fair compromise. If you would prefer, I can make an additional note within the external links explaining that the links direct to the bands' individual web sites. At any rate, the external links should not be a long term concern since internal pages for each band should be generated later.

For others who may want additional information:

Fr. Stan and Rise have clearly spearheaded the promotion of Catholic Rock and Rap, though their styles are more classic in nature (Old School Hip-Hop and Blues Rock, respectively). Further growth has been made upon their shoulders by youthful artists who represent more recent styles. In fact, Fred-D, Point 5 Covenant and Manuel3 have generated their individual group influence based on Fr. Stan's guidance. Seven Sorrows has been very influential in pushing the envelope into harder styles (punk/heavy metal), which has inspired jaded Catholic youth to reconsider the value of their faith. Oaks of Justice have been important in convincing Catholic leaders to include Catholic bands in major youth functions, such as the National Catholic Family Conference and the Southern Charismatic Renewal Convention (SCRC). Crispin was also the first Catholic band to expand over the internet, which established the digital infrastructure Catholic bands now communicate through. (In fact Crispin was for many years the only band that would appear under the "Catholic Band" search string on search engines.) Cheer up Charlie is the current name for Catholic Industrial pioneers Scarecrow and Tinman, who have inspired many new Catholic Electronica artists. In my opinion, the new Catholic bands that have recently emerged have gained their inspiration from the groundwork laid by the artists I have listed. -Abercius24 18:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I guess I don't have very strong opinions about the location of the external links. If someone else does, I'm sure they'll speak up or edit the page itself. - Lawrence King 23:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)