Talk:List of Reborn! characters

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Contents 1 Images 2 Merging of certain characters 3 Colored images 4 New Page for Mukuro and Chrome

[edit] Images

Since people seem to be very adamant on adding pictures of the manga, then please use colored pictures from the manga since I'm positive they exist. Since if a colored alternative is available, WP prefers it over a black and white one. Also, mark the image with a proper fair use rationale or else Wikipedia admins will put delete tags on them. If you can't get the hang on how to, then you can list the links or post the images on my talk page and I will do so for you. Also, since someone is creating separate character articles, do not post two images for the character on "List of Reborn! characters" if they already have they're own article.

I've reverted the images to the colored alternatives for now (also, the pic of Kyoya Hibari seems to have been deleted or someone just put up a wrong link for it. Either way, that is a good reason as to why I stress the whole fair use rationale thing). I left the pic of adult Kyoya there because there currently is not a picture of the Adult version. If someone posts colored images from the manga, and it is properly cropped (400x400 px or less is proper), I will not revert it. By the way, fan colored images are not allowed on Wikipedia (just saying).

Also, images without scanlated words are preferred over ones that do contain them, since scanlations are technically considered copyright infringement, especially to licensed franchises. A raw version would definitely be preferable.

I do have many officially colored images of the characters from the manga. I can just post them... DarkAngel007 03:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging of certain characters

I've noticed that a separate character's article is basically being made for all the main family members, however, I'm going to have to suggest that some of these characters be merged into the "List of Reborn! characters" page once more.

Chrome Dokuro and Ryohei Sasagawa would be two of these characters that I'm going ask to be merged with the current characters' article.

Chrome Dokuro should be obvious as she barely has any information. Unless there is information on the character's creation or something around those lines, then I doubt a separate article for her would be informative. The only extensive information she has is plot information, and that would go against the whole What Wikipedia is not: PLOT. Same goes for Ryohei Sasagawa as he basically only appears every 2 to 3 volumes (as a viable plot device anyways). Either way, a separate article for both characters do not meet the criteria for Wikipedia:Notability (Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)).

Unless information besides an extensive plot summary is given, then they don't deserve their own articles. For now, I'll just post merge templates on both pages. DarkAngel007 01:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we need to wait a little more time before these two articals are merged with the "List of Reborn! characters" page. With the guardians gathering in the current arc there is bound to be more information comming very soon, including future pictures and back stories as to what Chrome Dokuro and Ryohei Sasagawa have been doing for the past ten years.

Some characters on the site for other such shows have small profiles that are in similar positions as these two but work out well staying the way they are. I beleive we should wait to finalize this.

Kyoya Hibari definitly has enough information to be given his own page, however I am having trouble creating one. If someone could make it that would be great.

Vongola 10th 02:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, those other characters on other shows that you talk about having their own articles, yet have very little information, should be merged to their respective character pages, if they even have one. Still, I'm just abiding by Wikipedia rules here, and trying to create articles that would get a GA rank or something. I don't simply want to create articles to appease the fans of the show, but also articles that would appease others that have yet to watch the show, so simply adding plot information wouldn't do. The articles you talk about are usually neglected and are created by those who are not familiar with WP policy, but by those who are simply fans of the series, or they're character pages that don't have a parent article (like a list of the series' characters). And, if you argue that they will eventually have more information, then shouldn't we wait till that information is out before we start creating a separate article for them. Because for now, all there is would be excessive plot information and articles should not simply contain plot information. However, I am willing to wait till this discussion is over before actually attempting a merge (just proposing it for now).

And, I've already been planning to create a Kyoya Hibari page, but I still don't have enough references and I don't plan on creating it just yet until I fix it up more. DarkAngel007 03:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I tagged those two for speedy deletion and put the information back onto the main page. I can see your argument for it and im sure that they can be created again in the next moth or two.

Vongola 10th 03:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colored images

I'm sorry to say, but many of the colored images on this page are not original colored images. Lal Mirch and Colonello for example was part of an image colored by fanartist. I've noticed the same problems on many of the other pages. I own WSJ and I know these pages were not in colors. If you see Chinese text on them, or got them as part of Chinese scanslation it's probably colored by Chinese fans. Look for colored images from official merchandise or WSJ. Note that colored images appears in Jump every 8-9 chapters. I will start removing these images soon, since it constitutes as stealing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.237.128.138 (talk) 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're referring to the adult images of Lal and Colonello, then you're free to remove then if they are fan-colored images. I was a bit skeptic of them at first since i did not see that colored image when I read the raw, but I figured I just missed it. So, if there are other fan-made images, then they should be removed.

I'm also curious as to this one here. Once again, when I read the raw, this colored image was nowhere to be seen, so I'm questioning as to whether this was an officially colored image, or if it's a fan-made one. DarkAngel ^{█▀▀007▄▄█} 07:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Page for Mukuro and Chrome

I'm actually quite surprised to find that Mukuro does not have his own page. He is one of the more popular main characters and there is a lot of information on him, almost, if not as much as Hibari. Writing a page about him is definitely possible. Also I want to propose merging Chrome into Mukuro's page, if or after it is made. Chrome and Mukuro cannot exist without the other and it's only fair to therefore combine them. There is also the reason that Mukuro is as much as the Mist Guardian as Chrome and so should be included in the Vongola family section too. Tsukiaya (talk) 09:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, popularity does not constitute notability, but still, I do agree that his bio has gotten rather large, despite there being no more need for additional information considering his current status. However, if a separate article for him is created, I'm afraid that his article will end up the same as the others, with IPs and new users adding excessive and unnecessary plot detail and unneeded sections such as "Relationships"; such information can be integrated into personality or story summary; other relations that cannot be integrated into those sections would most likely mean that those relations are original research or fan-based (based on opinions of a certain group familiar with the series; making it in-universe, which will make those who have yet to watch the series confused; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia after all). Also, a character article with excessive plot information infringes the series' copyright status and may be construed as a copyright violation. A separate article can be made for him, but I would suggest that no further step-by-step plot detail be added, as all the necessary plot info is already mentioned. Otherwise, the likelihood of 'someone who searches for these type of articles and adds those Afd templates' on it, challenging its notability, leading to its deletion, is more than likely.

Anyways, Mukuro would actually have more info than Hibari, since Mukuro does have background information. I constructed an early draft, in order to prevent a pre-mature creation of the article: Mukuro article (early draft). Sections that need improvement or expansion are Background, Reception, Personality, and References. I'll try to work on it after the holidays, but anyone is free to make constructive edits. Once the article seems ready to create or almost ready to create, then (I or) anyone can just create the actual article using the draft. .... But I can't exactly stop anyone from creating the article now, so if you already have an article in mind, go ahead. :)

Regarding the Mukuro and Chrome merge: well, I would have to disagree with the statement that they can't exist without the other, as it has been proven in the manga that they can. They are indeed individual characters, especially Mukuro, who is first and foremost the leader of the Kokuyo gang rather than a Guardian. Chrome was just added to the Tsuna's family section because she is introduced as the Mist guardian rather than anything else. However, I have to admit that they are both the Mist Guardian, so if a separate article is made, a section on Chrome is necessary, but not just one where Chrome's bio would go.

I'm currently also trying to rewrite the Hibari article, but I guess that'll have to wait until after the holidays. Unless someone wants to help by adding references to the current article ^_^. -- wha, that was tiring. Well, Happy Holidays to everyone! DarkAngel ^{█▀▀007▄▄█} 08:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)