Talk:List of Prime Ministers of Japan

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Contents 1 PM count 2 picture 3 List update in progress 4 I demand a recount 5 Name order 6 Former Ministerial Offices Held (Added)

[edit] PM count

For the record I am counting the present Prime Minister Koizumi Junichiro as the 68th Prime Minister not the 56th. After all if it was good enough for Grover Cleveland to be counted twice as President of the United States then be good enough for Prime Ministers of Japan serving non-consecutive terms to be counted more than once as well.--The Shadow Treasurer 04:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] picture

The picture of Shinzō Abe is "stupid" - the British flag in the background?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorgusch (talk • contribs) 18:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List update in progress

The current list is riddled with mistakes and ommissions. I am currently working on a revised list. What was the source for the original list? JeroenHoek 14:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I demand a recount

Here in Australia the interim Prime Ministers are counted, so therefore I do not see why the same could not also applied with the Prime Ministers of Japan. Either that or just get rid of the numbers altogether. --The Shadow Treasurer 29 June 2005 04:52 (UTC)

Apparantly, in Japan they don't. [1]

None of the interim ministers held that post very long (a few days mostly). Perhaps interim prime minister isn't the right term for "the guy that does whatever the previous prime minister was doing until a new prime minister is available", but they shouldn't be counted. JeroenHoek 29 June 2005 09:28 (UTC)

The shortest serving Australian Prime Minister Frank Forde was only in the job for six days. If he can be counted for that short a period then it is not unreasonable for the interims in Japan to be counted as well.--The Shadow Treasurer 29 June 2005 23:23 (UTC)

This article aims to present a comprehensive list of Japanese Prime Ministers. It makes sense to include who acted as interim prime minister during gaps between cabinets. However, an acting prime minister is not a prime minister. The first column shows the number of the cabinet, the second the number of the individual.

Also, history books, academic papers and official Japanese government material all use the currently used numbering for as far as I can tell, they call Koizumi Junichirō the 87th prime minister, not the 95th. JeroenHoek 30 June 2005 11:56 (UTC)

I am a historian with a degree in East Asian studies and I concur that the interims should not be counted.

Also, this characterization "imperial rule" for Konoe Fumimaro's governments has no basis in Japanese historiography whatsoever. His governments should also be labeled "no party."

silentcity 9 August 2005 20:19 (UTC)

Then please feel free to edit the entries for Konoe. I didn't change those descriptions when I revised the list, there might be some wrong data in it (the list had a lot of mistakes and ommisions before I revised it, so some mistakes may remain) JeroenHoek 20:54, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Acting Prime Ministers should not be counted if he is only standing in for a Prime Minister who is absent or sick but who is still commissioned for that high office. However interim Prime Ministers should be counted because they are exactly that Prime Minister for an interim period between the departure of the previous Prime Minister and the appointment of a Prime Minister who would serve for a much more substantial period. To not count an interim Prime Minister for the brief time that he served is like saying that this period in time never existed. --The Shadow Treasurer 03:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

"I am a historian with a degree in East Asian studies and I concur that the interims should not be counted."

As I already said I do not agree with the interims not being counted. Historical papers and official documents can say whatever they want, does not mean they are right. Therefore I do not see the relevance of your degree since when do you need a degree for simple arithmetic. --The Shadow Treasurer 03:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name order

Some of the PM names are incorrectly listed using the Japanese convention (Last name first) instead of Wikipedia's English-standard convention. If someone gets a chance, it would be a good idea to review the entire list for the sake of consistency. Best, J Readings 12:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Former Ministerial Offices Held (Added)

I added this column to the article. I got the idea from List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, which became a featured article at one point. The details on that article are impressive and useful. Hopefully, we can add similar details here. J Readings (talk) 06:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)