Talk:List of Prime Ministers of Canada

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[edit] A lovely timeline

I have made a meta:EasyTimeline for this. It is based on the Template:Timeline US Presidents 2. It is here now here, and dont mind the unrelated stuff at the top. Any comments? is it useful? Any errors?- Lucky13pjn 04:55, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

I have added it to Prime Minister of Canada instead. - Lucky13pjn 20:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


is it too early to add harper?

I don't think so, now that he's won the election. the table will have to be completed later though, to get the dates right mylesmalley 05:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


Why is Harper's row taller than the others? I think it is because of the image of him, but I don't know how to fix it. -Arctic.gnome

Corrected. I'd also reccomend that after the "hand off", Mackenzie-King be put in the little bottom one as the "longest served".Habsfannova 01:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I had actualy just added King before I read your comment about it. Weird. -Arctic.gnome 05:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harper image

I kind of liked the old image of Harper better (With the blue background after it was made to fit in the square). Anyone agree? -Arctic.gnome 08:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] born/died/burial columns

While it is clear that a lot of work was put into adding these new columns, I think that it makes the list look a bit messy. Furthermore, I don’t think that information is needed in a general list, if people are interested they can look at lists like List of Canadian Prime Ministers by place of birth. --Arctic Gnome 16:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I don't care much for those columns either.--Kalsermar 16:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harper and Martin images

I've replaced the images for Harper and Martin with ones used previously. (Image:Paul Martin04small.jpg → Image:Paulmartin.jpg, Image:Harper2.JPG → Image:Stephen Harper head 2.jpg) My reasoning: the old ones looked terrible. Martin's was lo-res, and it made him look really bad, and Harpers looked out of focus. Check out the old version and see for yourself. You have to remember that when you render images to a different size, their appearance can change, as was the case in the old version. You should use the show preview button before you save your changes, and go over what you've done to make sure it turned out properly. I don't believe that these are the best images available, but they are certainly better from what they were. If I come across better ones, I will upload them, and I encourage other to do so as well. -- Reaper X 19:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I already know how to use the show preview button and think the low-res image of Martin was better than the one you put up. In that one his mouth is half open and he looks like an idiot, and least the low res one was somewhat professional. --Arctic Gnome 14:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about?! He looks like hes making a face. The low res by itself looks good I agree, but when its stretched to fit this list it looks terrible! -- Reaper X 19:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't the offices of MPs have an official photo that they put into the public domain? --Arctic Gnome 04:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

They do have official photos at the Members of Parliament site, but are not public domain, rather they are under the Copyright Act of Canada. -- Reaper X 18:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Those photos I just mentioned can be uploaded to Wikipedia using the {{Canada-politician-photo}} licence, I will do so now, and put them on the list. -- Reaper X 18:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
That may not work. This is a featured article and thus has to obey the Wikipedia rule that you use a free image over a copyrighted whenever possible. --Arctic Gnome 05:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Claims to Fame

Great page folks. The very first questions on our mind when reading it were "What were their claims to fame" and/or what was the geopolitical situation during their term. You've touched on that at the bottom for a few of them, I think it might be nice to have a few on-liners for each of the others (it can link into their own page, or to other details pages). I'm about to do a hack job of it as an example, because i'm actually here to learn about the history, but please feel free to fix it up if you find it a good idea. If it turns out that, like the 'dates' above it's not of general interest and/or makes it too cluttered, perhaps you'd do me a favour and copy the content to a page named something like "List Of Prime Ministers Of Canada With Their Key Contributions" Jethero 01:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

At first I supported that idea, but after thinking about it some more, I feel that this now column would make the list a bit too cluttered and it would be POV to pick which events are most important. You should take the work you've done so far and create a new article called List of Prime Ministers of Canada by main contributions and link it to the bottom of this page. That list wouldn't be in a table and you could have a lot more room to work with. --Arctic Gnome 17:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone definetly needs to review/modify/delete the 'claim to fame' section. It is highly POV and presents an unfairly negative picture of almost all of the Prime Ministers listed. Maybe its impossible to do this type of section in a fair and impartial manner, and if that is determined to be the case, it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.1.34 (talk) 00:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It really is POV and negative, but it's also so amusingly sarcastic that I've never had the heart to delete it. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 02:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Designated vs Party Leader

I like having two different terms for PMs who were appointed by the GG and those who just won the leadership of their party; but can anyone think of a way of replacing the noun phrase "Party Leader" with a verb phrase that doesn't take up too many words? --Arctic Gnome 17:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two Lost weeks

When Macdonald and Abbot died, there were vacancies lasting about two weeks. Who was running the country? Shouldn't they be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.2.161 (talk • contribs)

No one had the title of Prime Minister during that time; the Crown would have spent those two weeks trying to find someone who could gain the confidence of the legislature. I doubt that much got done in terms of ruling the country during those two weeks, but I guess the privy council would have been in charge as a group. --Arctic Gnome 05:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Party Continuity

Out of curiosity, why are the Liberal-Conservatives, Unionists, PCs, etc. grouped together, while the current Conservative party is listed as a separate entity? No agenda, just wondering what the rationale here is. Obviously the CA/Reform influence on the new party is significant, but should that render it less a part of the old PC tradition than the Unionists? Schrodingers Mongoose (talk) 22:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

There have been many talks about this on other talk pages, and this is how we decided to standardize it across the encyclopedia. The consensus believes that the lib-con, conservatives, and PCs were legally only a name change, whereas the new Conservatives are a legally new party because of the merger with the (then larger) Alliance Party. As for the Unionists party, its members were part of the PC tradition, whereas the governments formed by the Unionists were coalitions with the Liberals and were thus a unique party in Canadians history, which is why in some articles the Unionists are listed differently. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Resignation/Retirement

Pearson, Trudeau, Mulroney and Chretien resigned/retired on the same date as their successors took office. Thus I fixed those dates. GoodDay (talk) 19:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

That's how I think it works too, but our current source, the Library of Parliament, thinks differently. Unless you have a source explaining why the Library of Parliament as posted incorrect information, I think I'll have to revert. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

We've already had these disputes on the Canadian PM bios (remember), and we decided to go with the correct dates. GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I should just write to the Parliament and ask them what's their problem. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 20:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't mean to come across as a 'grump', but my guess is - Parliament doesn't count 'transitional dates' for outgoing PMs - Example: June 25, 1993 was a transitional date (Mulorony resigns; Campbell sworn in). GoodDay (talk) 20:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image problem

NOTE! This article uses a commons image Image:Kim Campbell head.jpg which has two problems: this is a non-free image which cannot be hosted on commons; and this is a modified version of the original work of the copyright holder, which use is not permitted in any case. I'm going to change the image to the permitted usage, nevertheless the permitted-use version will still need to be uploaded to the en:wiki image space and given a non-free usage rationale (which will be pretty easy, as it's the official portait). See here for details. Regards! Franamax (talk) 00:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)