Talk:List of Presidents of Bangladesh

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move. President of Bangladesh has now been created to cover the added information previously found in this article. JPG-GR (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Bangladesh → President of Bangladesh — Does not suit article subject or criteria —Moshino31 (talk) 13:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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This move request by User:Moshino31 is strange, because it seems like he himself added a massive amount of tangential information to a list article, and now claiming the content to be unsuitable for a list article!! I'm reverting it to the list version. --Ragib (talk) 16:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason why I have done this is because, it is suitable to have the information of the President duties etc. with the List of Presidents in the same article, makes more sense. Creating another article isnt' really needed (view other articles of countries). Moshino31 (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Information about presidential duties are not suitable for a list article. Also, please take a look at such articles on other countries, for example: List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States (a Featured List), List of Presidents of the French Republic etc. Except for a summary introduction, these list pages contain *only* the list. --Ragib (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

But what about the neigbouring countries of Bangladesh, they have the same structure. It will be very convinient to have Information and lists together, because Bangladesh does not have a large history as a whole to have such articles same goes for Pakistan and India, therfore it will be suitable for it be like that. Please view, President of Pakistan, Prime Minister of India, President of Egypt, President of China... and so, they all have together lists of Presidents / Heads of States together in the article. It makes more sense for Bangladesh to have this, because of its short history, and the Presidential role is ceremonial. Therfore I am asking it to be as a non-list article. Moshino31 (talk) 18:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

In that case, I'd suggest that you start working on President of Bangladesh rather than *this* list article. Compare President of the United States vs List of presidents of the United States. The former is an article covering the presidency, while the latter is a list. --Ragib (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

That is not the whole point, the article should have been created as 'President of Bangladesh', like 'Prime Minsister of Bangladesh'. You cannot compare Bangladesh and United States, because the States have a long list of Presidents and its History will obviously be much longer than Bangladesh you must know that for sure. It really doesnt make any sense at all for me to create a seperate article, it will be more efficient and easier if this article has 'both' of informations together. Moshino31 (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, but this reasoning is invalid. Firstly, I don't see why the articles on lists of US and Bangladeshi presidents cannot be compared ... you mean just because the former has 43 entries and the latter 17, it becomes too short, and "less longer"? I also suggest that you look into Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) for learning what the purpose of such list articles is. One such list article List of universities in Bangladesh was recently elevated to Featured List status. --Ragib (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

May you explain to me then, why is the article Prime Minister of Bangladesh is not a *list* article? By the way this article now is lacking many information, firstly it does not give many information of the Presidents, what Party they are from etc. I have just edited the article to improve it for the viewers, compared to your version it will be more useful and helpful as in *all in 1*, it's more of a hassle from 1 page to another, you got the information at the top, scroll down and you got the Lists, how convinient is that? Really think about it mate. Moshino31 (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

(Resetting indent) I am doing this: moving your edits to President of Bangladesh page. You get to keep your edits, and the list article remains as it is. Please do not keep reverting to your version until the discussion is over. The job of the list article is not to discuss the president's biographies, rather to just provide a list. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, I request you to look into other countries' articles on this series too ... most of them have 2 articles - one on the presidency, and the other a list. PLEASE try to understand what a *list article* means before messing up the list of presidents page.

• India - President of India , List of Presidents of India (which, by the way, has fewer presidents than BD, (contrary to your argument about "small number of presidents" above)
• United States - President_of_United States, List of Presidents of United States
• Germany - President of Germany]], List of German presidents since 1919
• France - President_of_France, List of Presidents of the French Republic
• Brazil - President of Brazil, List of Presidents of Brazil

I can go on and on with the above examples, but that would be a waste of my time. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 21:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I would like to draw your attention to the following issues:

1. A.Q.M. Badruddoza Chowdhury was a president nominated by Bangladesh Nationalist Party though later he resigned and formed LDP. I think it would be more appropriate if we use party name during the period of their presidency.
2. We have to add a reference column and also make it sortable. Recently I observed few reviews where people use to ask for these two things.
3. Though we know Iajuddin Ahmed and Shahabuddin Ahmed were nominated as a non-party president. But, it will be very difficult to manage references, specially for Iajuddin Ahmed as his nomination was extremely disputed.

Cheers. -- Niaz^{(Talk • Contribs)} 01:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Just another quick observation - Jamiruddin Sircar is listed in this list but Syed Nazrul Islam isn't though both of them were acting president[1]. Shouldn't we include Syed Nazrul Islam? -- Niaz^{(Talk • Contribs)} 01:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I have just created List of Prime Ministers of Bangladesh, and if I may, it looks good (few kinks apart). Regarding the the discussion above I see no real argument supporting a combined article of list and prose, apart from the fact that there are many articles done that way. But, lists and prose articles are really separate things altogether, and are better handled separately. While the list can provide a comprehensive data index for Bangladesh presidents, the prose article can provide details, backgrounds and context. The value of one lies in easy accessibility, of the other it lies in comprehensive coverage. Thus, it would be only fair to have separate articles, each with a link to the other. And, oh, both the list articles could drive towards featured lists, unlike the prose articles that will still take some time to evolve towards a featured class. I am sure Mohsin will be there in time (he is a rare example in diligence and positive attitude), but way before that he could lead us to two featured lists. Let's get cracking to that end. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 12:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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